Dh is unhappy
He asked me for some time last week and I thought we would go out and have fun. Instead he sent the kids to his parents house and he sat me down for a talk. He said he doesn't want to keep going down this path of us being gone all the time. He feels disconnected, lonely and angry. He said hes angry at me for being gone all the time and mad at my girls for being the reason we are gone all the time. I tried to explain he is the reason we changed activities and he said it doesn't matter and that what is happening now is the problem. He said he is cutting ss down to just boy scouts 1 day a week (with an occasional outing he will take turns with his dad going on) and he hopes for our marriage I can cut my dds down to 1 night a week. I'm at a loss ladies. I love dh and I want our marriage to work but at the same time my dds are blossoming in their activities. They love their activities and it's all they talk about and look forward to. They are also doing great! But it is a lot. We are home Monday nights which dh has scouts with ss and the rest of the week we are running to activities, homework and dinner, Saturdays are usually games or events with some fundraising. Sunday is the only day we are home together and that involves church and family dinner so not a lot of quality time. I am mad at dh because him changing the rules changed my views and I allowed my dds to get involved in things they had been asking to do. Why is it okay for him to bend the rules for ss but when I do it for my dds he is unhappy? At the same time, I don't want to ruin my marriage, dh is a great guy and he is so good to my girls and me. I know dh and I know he wouldn't have told me he was unhappy as a threat, he is serious and I know that our marriage hinges on what I do now. I know you can't see the whole picture here but I really need some advice. Thanks in advance.
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It almost sounds like an
It almost sounds like an ultimatum to me... that if you do NOT cut down the girls' activities, you're headed for divorce.
Which is more important to you? Your children or your DH?
It's not an ultimatum, he is
It's not an ultimatum, he is telling me he isn't happy and something has to change. He didn't say he would leave but who wants their spouse to be unhappy and how long is someone willing to be unhappy before they start looking for more (my thoughts, he didn't say that).
"mad at dh because him
"mad at dh because him changing the rules changed my views and I allowed my dds to get involved in things they had been asking to do. Why is it okay for him to bend the rules for ss but when I do it for my dds he is unhapp"
Goblin - you know your answer to DH hon, you can simply tell him.... Love, you decided on this and that months ago, when I wanted to talk you told me I don't like your son blablablabla... I knew this would happen, now you will have to live with the consequences of your rule changing.
DD's are happy in what they are doing and I will not put them on the back burner again for you or any one, if you want to end out marriage then because you can't control me anymore, so be it.... but you can never keep to your decisions, as soon as SS and BM demands, you jump and then what....
Don't punish your DD's, it was DH's idea he can suck it up... he has to live with the consequences of him jumping for SS and BM
It's not about control. Dh
It's not about control. Dh has never tried to control me and that isn't his personality. I can tell dh has been unhappy lately and I dismissed it as, this is what you get but now I'm getting worried because he sat me down because he wanted me to hear he isn't happy. He wanted me to know so we could work on fixing this.
What about looking at your
What about looking at your schedule again, try and organizing lifts one night a week, even if it's Uber and then do a date night with DH ?
Or Sundays after church... kids gets dropped off at home to entertain themselves, I can't remember but I think they are old enough to be alone for 3-4 hours and then it's only you and DH connecting, no talking about kids...
I'm sure if the two of you sit together and re look at schedules you will find half an hour a day for just the 2 off you
^^THIS^^ At one time both
^^THIS^^ At one time both SS's schedules were crazy and BM NEVER lifted a hand. We had both on baseball, one on football and the other on hockey. Most times we were at opposite ends of the township. It really bothered me since they are not my kids and I sat down and told SO that I am more than willing to help, but that we need US time.
We did just at Acra stated. We asked some parents if we could ride share. SO and I had Tuesday nights and Sunday nights to ourselves, another couple had Wednesdays and Saturdays and the other Friday nights.
"I allowed one to do cheer
"I allowed one to do cheer leading and one to do gymnastics. One is rec and one is private and they are on different nights. Oldest dd is doing cheer leading and she has practice Tuesday and Thursdays with games on Saturday. Ydd has gymnastics on Monday and Wednesday and both have tumbling classes on Friday nights."
I can see why your husband isn't happy. He has 2 activities per week totaling a maximum of 2-3 nights a week and you filled 6 days a week. The compromise here is one activity per daughter. Saturday games is ambiguous to me and I can't recall if you have your daughters full time or they have visitation with a biological father.
Additionally you could allow your Saturday games to be someone else taking your daughter instead of you being at all of them. There is always room for compromise.
They gave up martial arts/
They gave up martial arts/ karate for the other activities.
Isn't there some room to
Isn't there some room to compromise here?
I seem to recall that when you opened up to more than one activity that it meant your girls were busy pretty much 5 days a week since their things were on different days.
Perhaps if you could see if your girls could do activities that landed on the same days.. you could limit it to maybe 2-3 days a week vs 6.
It might take some work, but if you could both agree that you will coordinate the activities so that at least 3 days a week are "clear for family" maybe that will help.
Also, you could perhaps coordinate with some other parents to carpool so that you are only obligated to do the driving a couple times a week? That way, you could be home more (I think it's your absence... not the girls that is his issue)
Ok tell me if I am wrong but
Ok tell me if I am wrong but if one DD is cheer leading for a team it should end in less than two months? You will have some free time at that point. Why cant the two of you take Saturday nights or sometime that day to spend time together as games do not run all day.
Sometimes people do need to understand kids have activities and need that outlet. He had is one son you have two daughters it is a little different. Honestly you can not help that their activities are opposite. Welcome to have multiple children and blended families.
Your DH had a point as well you really need to carve out time for the two of you and I know that is difficult to do. My SS has football three times a week and games on Saturday as well. To add to all that my SO had full custody so SS lives with us 24/7. Throw in meet the teacher nights, the new school parent association that asks for volunteers, the youth sports league asking to volunteer, us still trying to get things done to our house, his parents moving and having to get stuff from them when we get a chance, all of it. I am simply saying life can throw many things at a couple and create this gap without even noticing at times.
SO and I ask my parents and his sister to watch SS over night sometimes so we can have a date night and take time for just the two of us. It is not easy and yes we get tired and exhausted and worn out.
IMHO just look a the schedule, I do not think the girls should be made to give up what they like that will just cause more issues. Maybe tumbling can be something that gives a little. Listen to what he said and try to make a plan that will make both happy. Best of Luck.
Oh dear. Your DH is acting
Oh dear. Your DH is acting like a big giant baby. Honestly, kind of like you were acting when you did NOT want him to change the rules to help SS out in boy scouts. You have to see how you both did a 180 on the extra activities. He is now acting like you were and you are acting like he was.
I get that it bothers you about your DH being unhappy, but he is being selfish, and stupid. I remember when I had 2 kids that age. It was run, run, run all the time. That is usually what parents do. That does not/ should not, stop because you get married to someone. Your kids are only your for such a short while. Don’t restrict them because your DH has found out that he would rather hang with you than with SS. And I would almost bet that is the issues. Sometimes these dads scream about not having enough time with their kids and when they get it, they don’t really like it.
I think I would do the same thing to DH and he did to you. Sit him down for a talk and let him know that you are sorry he is upset but that you only have the kids for a short while and you want them to be in these activities. Ask him what can you do to help him with his issue. How about a date night. Get someone else to take the girls once every two weeks and you and DH go out.
Yeah he is. Someone suggested
Yeah he is. Someone suggested going for coffee/dinner during their activity which is great and I'm going to ask him to dinner tonight. I'll have to have 1 dd with me but it's better than no time.
Does he understand that he
Does he understand that he had put you in the same position before?
He doesn't like the taste of his own medicine, does he?
I think he learned his lesson... you had asked him to limit to 1 activity, he didn't want to... now he's seeing what you were going through.
Is there a way to compromise - such as carpooling for activities on certain days with a few other parents?
This isn't about which is more important to you - it's not a fair comparison to have to place more importance on either your kids or your husband about this... especially not after such a short amount of time.
What is it that he's not happy about? The fact he's on his own to handle his son at home because you're not there to make him dinner? Or is it truly about the time with you? Maybe you can suggest that as of 8pm (or whenever) every night it's grown up time... date night every night... no tv, no distractions... just you two - kids go to bed and that's that...
On the other hand, if you DO decide to cut down activities, it should be across the board. I think that's what you wanted in the first place - no more than one activity per child... one activity, though, can be several times a week and that's not better if you're still gone all the time... what I would do is give each child one night a week for an activity. If the activity has more than 1 night, then arrangements need to be made for the other night - carpool or whatever... he's not saying the girls can't have activities, he's saying he doesn't like you gone so much.
Realistically, you CAN drop off the kids at their activities and not stay there. I have occasionally stayed behind to watch my kids at their things, of course, but for the most part.... drop off at 6 pick up at 7:15 gives me an hour to spend that I'd otherwise just be standing around watching kids do stuff - even if that's just sitting in the car with DH and chatting about our days while sipping coffee/tea and having a donut.
Figure out WHY he misses your absence... is it YOU he misses, or it is the things you do? then act accordingly.
I can't carpool with people I
I can't carpool with people I don't know very well. I can't trust my girls with them. If something happened to them because dh needed some time with me I'd never forgive myself. Once I get to know some of the parents better then hopefully can carpool but as of now I can't trust that. Dh is upset about having to fend for himself but he is also going to his parents for dinner where their maid cooks him and ss something or he makes them a sandwich or something at home. He is mad because he says he didn't get married to stay home by himself. I'm going to invite him to dinner while 1 dd has a practice tonight.
Is there a reason your DH
Is there a reason your DH can't go with you now and then to spend time together? Like I said in my earlier post... sometimes we just sit in the car to wait and that's our "time" to connect... even if other kids are there too
On the nights he has ss he
On the nights he has ss he isn't going to want to sit there with us.
When he says he misses time
When he says he misses time together what is it precisely that he misses? Because presumably the activities end before the kids bedtime and you two have some adult time when all the kids are in bed? So you do have time to spend together.
Does he miss family time with everyone? Does he miss sex (has there been a reduction since the activities started?) and intimate time with you? Or is it just hanging out together that he misses?
Once you can identify what exactly it is he is missing then you can work out a way to carve out time around the existing schedule to fit more of that in and to focus more on that. If he feels his needs are being met then he will be happier.
He sounds pretty needy to me.
He sounds pretty needy to me. Your girls are, what, eight and nine or there abouts? It's not like you are gone until ten o'clock at night. I imagine most of their activities wrap it up no later than 8-ish? These are young grade school age kids.
Most parents are busy with kids that age in the evenings. Maybe not out of the house, but doing the dinner, the homework, the catching up with the household. Before all these activities, surely you didn't sit and hold the man's hand all evening from the time he got home from his job until he fell asleep?
Let him tag along for some of the activities. Yeah the activity will bore him to pieces, but you can visit with him while they are busy doing whatever they are doing. A weekend activity can turn into a family outing with stop for lunch together. You can ship the kids off to grandparents for part of Sunday (least activity day for most kids) and have date day/evening.
The two of you use to go to karate together. Why not cheerleading or gymnastics? You likely don't have to sit and stay for the entire activity anyway. Go have coffee together while girls are in activity. Someone suggested above taking turns and having friends drive the girls. You could drive one week, the next the friend's mother?
The girls have two activities, right? Gymnastics and cheerleading? H*ell PawPaw wanted in on Scouts with SS, maybe Grandma would like to take the grandgirls one evening to one of their activities.
The problem with car pooling
The problem with car pooling is that I don't know any of the parents well enough to trust my children with them yet. My girls aren't overwhelmed and in fact they enjoy it as much as I am. I'm really enjoying it. Yes it is hectic and crazy but it is so much fun. I can't leave them there and go back because we live in the country and by the time I got home I'd be late getting back to pick them up. I just called dhs mom and asked her to take a night per week and she said no. She said she enjoys being grandma and showing up to watch cheering or competitions but she did her job as a parent and I need to do mine. Bitch! Whatever. Anyway, 1 of my dds needs tumbling and it is only offered (when I can do it) on Friday nights, she needs it to advance in gymnastics. There is no way to combine to the same nights until my dd is better at gymnastics and moves up. I checked other gyms in the area and they don't offer the classes at the times and days I need and rec cheer leading is all I can afford. I can't afford competition cheer at the gym dd does gymnastics at. I've racked my brain and gone over our schedule and unless one of my dds gives up her activity it will be this way until the season is over.
how can you say MIL is a
:jawdrop: how can you say MIL is a bitch... she is right you now, your kids are not even her family, and if they where her blood relations, she already raised her children, why should she do it again? Seriously ??
Either you make a plan or your marriage will be over, you husband did warn you, I think you should arrange a lift on FRidays when the 2 girls are together....
Her comment of me needing to
Her comment of me needing to do my job as a parent was unnecessary. All she needed to say was no.
I think I got caught up in
I think I got caught up in proving to my girls they were just as special as ss and if dh would allow something for ss then my girls could have it to. This is the result and the only one upset is dh. I think we still have plenty of time together after the girls get to bed around 9. It's quality not quantity for me.
It's me he misses and I know
It's me he misses and I know that my marriage is important. I'm trying to balance things.
Sure. Sacrifice her
Sure. Sacrifice her daughters so her DH will be pacified. That's not a recipe for resentment.
Dh has to be willing to
Dh has to be willing to sacrifice to and he isn't. I just talked to him and I suggested moving ss to a troop that meets on a different night and he said no. I offered to get a sitter for ss Friday so we could have dinner while the girls are at tumbling and he said no, he wanted to bring ss. I told him I wanted a date night and he said sorry. So, I tried and he isn't willing to try.
My dds are here every night.
My dds are here every night. I LOVE getting a sitter and going out without them. I LOVE IT!! Date night is kid free time.
but his activities aren't
but his activities aren't taking up nearly a full week, whereas your daughters' activities are.
This isn't about the activities, it's about the time. You're taking up a LOT more time than he is.
Until the season is over it's
Until the season is over it's the best I can do. If he moves ss to another night then that is one more night we have together. I'm trying and he is only complaining and not willing to make sacrifices.
Actually, you are not willing
Actually, you are not willing to make any sacrifices... nor will you have your girls make any.
What sacrifices have you made? You signed your girls up and won't do anything to mitigate the scheduling to reduce the time you are running about for them below the 6 days it currently takes.
Maybe make an extra effort
Maybe make an extra effort elsewhere so he knows you're keeping it in mind while you're unable to change things as it stands until the end of the season... suggestions:
-make a dinner you can have together when you get home instead of forcing him to fend for himself
-ask him to take over one or two loads of laundry while you're gone one night so that you don't have to do it when you come back, and you can spend that time with him
-ask him to come with you for drop off then go for icecream...so what if SS is there...then pick up and go home
-15 minutes of uninterrupted/undistracted adult time every single day - twice a day if you can - 100% attention focused on him - even if that means getting up 15 minutes early or going to bed 15 minutes later
-force everyone to pick up an extra chore every day - spreads the load around and increases family time
What kind of time together does he want? What's his expectation in all this? Time with you alone? Time all together as a family? For you to go back to doing what you were doing before while he keeps doing what he's doing?
See my below comment. These
See my below comment. These adults agreed to all the extra activities, they can be the ones to deal with it. OP's DH isn't going to perish and die.
"The problem with car pooling
"The problem with car pooling is that I don't know any of the parents well enough to trust my children with them."
Then get to know them. Seriously, you are hanging out with quite a few of them.. get to know them better.
Also, How long is the season? They have been doing these activities for a while so is it another month? two? If so, tell your DH that you need for him to "hang on" just a bit longer and resolve to limit your activities where YOU are doing the shuttling to 3 or fewer nights a week.
Oh.. and what about your DH and his son driving with you on Friday night when the girls have tumbling? You drop off the girls and then the three of you go out to eat that night?
Right now, you want to somehow prove to him that he asked for it and now he has to deal with it. In reality there ARE options. Surely, there are other parents in your dd's activities who would love a break on driving. Perhaps there are ways that at the least you would only have to go and pick up the girls.. not drive both ways. That would allow you to do dinner at home with your DH.
In a way, you kind of created the situation by having your girls in two different activities with two different schedules. You could have put them both in cheer or gymnastics and had a more sane schedule.
I know you say you and the girls enjoy what you are doing but I still think you need to look at ways that you can be home more to make your marriage a priority too.
I'm getting to know them. The
I'm getting to know them. The season ends in October/November depending on playoffs and the other is continuous. I am going to ask dh to join me Friday for dinner and tonight. Hopefully this will help.
Even in intact families this
Even in intact families this can often be the schedule when multiple kids are in different activities. It happens. I think your DH is whining.
I think so to.
I think so to.
Can SS find a different boy
Can SS find a different boy scout troop that meets on a day other than Monday? That way you all will have Monday together and your DH won't be moping around the house as much.
Great idea. That is a full
Great idea. That is a full night for our whole family to be home. Thanks!!!!!
According to OP's earlier
According to OP's earlier post she is most definitely busy on a Monday night. She is actually busy 6 days a week with no time for her husband other than a Sunday which is a shared day.
The schedule changed and
The schedule changed and Monday and Sunday nights are free. SS has scouts on Monday nights and I'm going to suggest to dh that he move ss to another night.
It is unfair to ask SS to
It is unfair to ask SS to change his schedule/ scout team/ school/ appropriate term to accommodate your children's extra murals. You will upset your husband.
I was thinking the same
I was thinking the same thing. I think SS has been in this troop for quite a while. I'm sure he's probably made friends he wouldn't want to leave.
Well in turn wouldn't it be
Well in turn wouldn't it be unfair to my girls to change their schedule/scout team/school to accommodate ss's activity? Dh and I are looking for quality time together as a family and moving scouts from Monday nights opens a whole night of togetherness.
Your husband is prepared to
Your husband is prepared to cancel one of the extra murals and leave only scouts. Now you want him to move scouts as well to accommodate you, making SS sacrifice his troop he has formed a relationship with. Think about it objectively and ask me if you're being fair. There is a way to fit all of this in and still be a couple if you truly want to.
Dh is asking me to stop my
Dh is asking me to stop my childrens activities so I think asking him to move ss's to another night isn't asking that much.
Leave everything as is.
Leave everything as is. Don't change anything around. Again, running hither and yon is what happens when you have multiple kids in multiple activities, and the kids aren't old enough to drive themselves.
These kids aren't Silly Puddy to be pushed and pulled at the adults' whim.
Sure, life isn't fair. Some
Sure, life isn't fair. Some tit for tat has gone here, though, and it's not fair to the kids - any of them - that they should have to pay the price for it. The adults around them agreed to these activities. For those same adults to turn around and say, "Sorry, kids, but this is now too much trouble for at least one us. Y'all gotta kiss your activities good-bye" is ridiculous and, frankly, mean.
And let's be honest about something. If OP's DH is thinking of divorce over kids' schedules, changing those schedules won't make any difference in the long run. He'd find something equally petty to get his knickers in a twist over.
Everyone seems to be happy
Everyone seems to be happy with how things are now except for DH. He can get over it. To give these activities to the 3 kids then take them away because he finds it unpleasant is BS. Make sure the kids drop activities just so DH will be happy? Yeah, no.
Everyone seems to be happy
Everyone seems to be happy with how things are now except for DH. He can get over it. To give these activities to the 3 kids then take them away because he finds it unpleasant is BS. Make sure the kids drop activities just so DH will be happy? Yeah, no.
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Every word of this! ^^^
He is being a big baby. And I am surprised at the ones that think she should make her kids stop just so her DH can stop being a big baby. This is another reason I did not marry or live together for so long. I would have seriously looked at my DH sideways if he told me that I needed to stop being a “so much” of a mother to my kids because he was lonely or whatever her DH is crying about.
But…she did the same thing to DH when all of this started. And he basically told her to bad so sad. He needs to get a grip and maybe start trying to hang out with HIS kid more. But I think that is NOT what he wants. It all sounded good when he was fighting everyone but not anymore.
^^^Yep^^^ I'm in total
^^^Yep^^^ I'm in total agreement with you Willow.
"And I am surprised at the
"And I am surprised at the ones that think she should make her kids stop just so her DH can stop being a big baby"
I think they're saying it, because it seems she took on those activities just to teach DH a lesson since HE was initially so adamant about the limits for activities.... it wasn't really for the kids to begin with. Now that lesson learned, she should back down.... yes, it's ultimately unfair to the kids...but she used the kids to teach DH a lesson, not him.
He's now asking to compromise, based on lesson learned... which she should... it's what she had asked of him when she was the one feeling left alone at home.
Mothering isn't shuttling kids around to activities everywhere. Mothering is taking care of a child, not driving them somewhere to be taken care of someone else while watching through the glass and clapping along to the rhythm. It's being there. Teaching values. Being a supportive ear. Guiding. Maintaining an environment that has a stable family dynamic (yes, including single parent families) so that the child isn't emotionally stunted as they grow and can go on to have productive relationships of their own as they're older...shuttling the kids around to all kinds of activities doesn't really forge a parent/child bond. It just gives the kid something fun to do for a while... and unless it progresses with competitive/career in mind, it's not useful in the slightest as the child is grown. Gymnastics while the kid is little? For a few years? Fun... but no long term goal other than to let the kid have fun. Gymnastics for 10-12-15 years competitively with the Olympics in mind? Ok - whole different ballgame... but that's not the case here, OP so much as said it's just for fun.
A child's fun is NOT more important than a spouse feeling neglected.... if DH ever tells me he has a need that's not being met, I'm going to try to meet it before he goes looking elsewhere. A lonely husband won't be lonely long, even if the company is "online".
Yes! And her DH has been
Yes!
And her DH has been telling her for a while that he was not happy with the overscheduled days. 6 days a week is a LOT. She certainly has had time to "get to know" parents or to figure out some alternate transportation for her girls so that she wasn't out of the house every day.
Who knows, maybe if she offered her girls a different but equally "fun" activity they might like it? Like horseback riding? Maybe they would prefer that?
Or maybe a school sponsored team that would provide partial transport?
I don't think everyone is necessarily saying her girls "have" to give up something, but that she figure out how to make it work without her being gone every day after work. and half the weekend!
There's no way I'd do 6 days
There's no way I'd do 6 days a week of activities. NOT A BLOODY CHANCE. I'm loathe to do just 2 every second week!
DH was unhappy with OP's
DH was unhappy with OP's choices back in July when OP created this "tit-for-tat" situation. OP was jealous that SS had 2 evening activities, while her kids only had one. SS is there part-time and her girls are 100%. So, not FAIR. So, she got her girls into two activities that take up 6 days/week --- living rurally, this is a huge commitment of gas/time and tailored to her convenience. DH told her then that it was too much.
Remember when OP was p*ssed that non-guaranteed bonus money she anticipated from DH's job was used by the company owner for something else that OP disapproved of ... They "always" got a 5 digit bonus and how dare the owner/SF change his mind? OP blew a gasket big time. I remember thinking that perhaps her in-laws saw red flags which we don't.
Choosing to not carpool with other parents she's known for months because she doesn't feel "safe" is an excuse. A red-herring. Simply an excuse to justify her behavior.
This never had anything to do with being fair to OP's daughters. If she wanted to be fair, she would pursue CS from their father whom she chose to have babies with. To be fair, her girls should know their father. To be fair, she may have thought how her actions/behavior would impact the family. She may have considered that activities 7 days/week for any family would be excessive if both parents worked. She may have sat down with DH before she micro-scheduled the family to find a compromise.
OP had opportunities to settle things down in the household and she chose to amplify them instead. Ratcheting up the conflict within the marriage.
So, OP ... keep the schedule you have since you are happy & your girls are happy. Perhaps look into some local beauty pageants to round out their lives. Oh, and perhaps you could have an "ours" baby to smooth things over.
I'll just pop some more popcorn
I don't think it was jealousy
I don't think it was jealousy so much as OP and her DH decided as partners to limit the kids to one day of activities. Then suddenly, BM and the stepgrandpa had a say in the household schedule and finances. OP's DH rolled over and let them despite OP voicing her upset at the change in dynamics. Ok, he has what he wanted, his ex and his stepdad are making rules but he's mad that OP isn't playing along. And suddenly he grows a backbone and tells OP things have to change? They did change and it's not OPs job to be a doormat for BM and FIL at the expense of her own kids. The girls gave up karate in return for only one activity each, just as SS is giving up karate for his own activity. Perhaps OP's DH should have thought a little harder before he rocked the boat on a schedule that was working for them.
Also, the 6 days a week of activities seems to include SS's Boy Scouts. Sunday and Monday the girls don't have an activity.
Teaching values is part of
Teaching values is part of many sports. Drive time allows for dedicated talk time and being there can also encompass watching a child during practice.
Secret...To say I disagree
Secret...To say I disagree with most of your post is an understatement. Lol But people are just different that way.
BUUUT..the one thing that grind my gears is this saying. And I have heard it from a few people….”A lonely husband won't be lonely long, even if the company is "online"."
GAG. All that means is the man is a total piece of crap and I would not want to be married to ANY man that could not keep it together long enough for me to raise my kids. (or whatever may be the reason his little self is lonely.) Makes me want to spit at the next man that walks by actually. lol
EDIT TO add...I replied to Secret but it put my post way down here.
lol, that's ok. I won't bash
lol, that's ok. I won't bash you over it.... but I will say that when I typed it, I was mostly referring to the dance/pageant moms and their ilk, who are generally a whole different breed of mom (think honey boo boo).... they're wayyyyy extreme and think they're the perfect mom because despite having no motherly relationship with their kids, despite their kids being overworked, cranky, sick... and treated like a highschool bff than a daughter, but hey, at least they're pretty, right?
I wouldn't be married to that kind of man either.... but it seems that OP unfortunately is, if he's threatening the marriage over the fact she's been dealing with kid activities for a few weeks and he's been lonely... was just a thought to consider. For a man to be as vulnerable as to admit to that kind of thing, in my experience, it's usually because it's a last ditch attempt to fix things before he cuts the strings.
IDon'tCare3117 you are so
IDon'tCare3117 you are so right. He'd find something else to get his knickers in a twist over. These men are all the same. No compromise. My uncle Tom Mar was the same way. Always had to be what he wanted and this guy is the same. SAD.
Your uncle "Tom Mar"?
Your uncle "Tom Mar"?
Your uncle "Tom
Your uncle "Tom Mar"?
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Ahhh crap. I did not even see that.
Oh, FFS. Not again.
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Oh, FFS. Not again.
I see your point... but I
I see your point... but I think the bigger point is that while your girls also have activities, they haven't been in them for years. Months, sure.
Maybe EVERYONE can compromise. EVERYONE needs to give up a little something so that EVERYONE gets a little something.
If Mom could figure out
If Mom could figure out transportation issues for her daughters.. a lot would be solved. Her girls could still participate and she could spend more time with her husband.
She could:
Find another parent that would be able to help share the load.
Find an older girl in cheer or gymnastics who might be interested in earning a little money to drive her DD's.
She could see if one of her girls wanted to switch to the other's activity. Both cheer or Both gymnastics...
She could get her girls into school sponsored after school activities too. Our district has an "activities bus" that makes a few centralized stops to drop off kids who are involved in school activities. Mom would still have to drive to pick them up.. but it would likely not be all that far from her home so wouldn't be a huge time constraint.
Her husband has offered to curtail some of his son's activity days.. it seems reasonable for her to figure out a way to cut a couple days off her running around schedule.
Perhaps Grandpa can take the
Perhaps Grandpa can take the lead on the Monday night meetings and your DH can go on the other days that scouts or another activity happen.
DIng ding ding! My fil would
DIng ding ding! My fil would only do it to rub it into dh's face about how he is a better father than dh.
Since Grandpa is SOOOOOOO
Since Grandpa is SOOOOOOO concerned with SS being in scouts... maybe Grandpa would appreciate the time with SS.
Seriously though... this is temporary stuff. DH really can't suck it up for a few weeks?
Would he still be whining about it if instead of being gone to activities, you were gone because you were working?
SOABM why should SS find a
SOABM why should SS find a new boy scout troop. I'm sure he has made friends and why should he be punished.
I only offered a compromise
I only offered a compromise suggestion. He can stay in his activity and make a compromise for the family, just as OP's daughters made a compromise and lost their karate. They also have made friends in their new activities and it would be doubly sad for them to lose both an activity they love and their teammates/friends.
I just talked to dh and
I just talked to dh and offered up the idea that if ss moves troops then we could have Monday night free for our whole family. I also invited him to dinner tomorrow night while the girls are tumbling. I offered to get a sitter for ss and dh said no to both. Oh well, I tried.
why would you not include SS
why would you not include SS in the dinner on Friday?
Dh wants to do family events, not have sex it seems, and you use to have allot of family events, thus if girls have an activity on Friday night, the whole family goes, drop them off and the rest go for hotdogs or what ever, remember the girls doggy bags..... you can even go bowling or miniature golf or what ever other activity.... maybe the girls will then decide FRiday night family night sounds much better then what ever the are doing and they drop it.
he can have that 2 o'clock in
he can have that 2 o'clock in the morning BF99.....
DH wants her to be involved with SS like she use to be, he does not like the disengagement thing and her and her kids doing their own thing, DH hates the fact that she can cope without him...
she tried everything to make date night possible and he said NO... cause SS will not be with him
I <3 you Acra!
I <3 you Acra!
Dh hasn't been in the mood
Dh hasn't been in the mood for like a month and we usually get busy twice a week. Dh likes to be romantic and have candle lights and music. I call him a girl. lol He says with me not being home it's hard to have romance.
You are both free after 9pm,
You are both free after 9pm, plenty of time for candles and romance. You could try romancing him for a change to show that he is still important to you.
Good point! DH and I have to
Good point! DH and I have to get creative with our "us" time. Being full one parents means we don't ask the kids to sacrifice their growth and interests just so we can get started early on the foreplay.
Nahhh.. I don't really think
Nahhh.. I don't really think you "tried". You suggested two things that were further concessions from your DH.
1. SS has to quit the troop he knows and has been a part of.
2. He dumps his son off with a sitter so you can continue to cater to your girls.
Both of those solutions require little to no concession on your part at all.
Your girls give up nothing, you give up nothing.
This. The meaning of
This. The meaning of compromise is lost on the intentionally dense.
That pretty much tells you
That pretty much tells you all you need to know so
So you suggested some
So you suggested some alternatives and he shot them down? Did he make a counter offer? Did he suggest anything other than your complete and unequivocal surrender to his will? Doesn't sound like it. He's a grown a$$ man, for god's sake! He needs to act like it. Trying to force your hand this way is unfair to both you and your girls and a certain recipe for resentment in the future.
Both of her suggestions meant
Both of her suggestions meant he or his son had to sacrifice.. there was nothing about her or her girls changing anything.
So, I can see him shutting those ideas down.. she didn't come to him with a compromise. She came to him with some solutions how he could join her.. but one meant him getting a sitter for his son.
Remember her girls there full time.. he is not with his son full time... Why would he really be interested in getting a sitter for his son on one of his less than full time days?
He has already suggested he would limit his son to fewer activity days.. he is asking her to do something similar. THAT is the compromise he was already offering. She is suggesting something that requires no real compromise on her end.
Well, the alternative is
Well, the alternative is having a date night while SS is at scouts. That won't work because daddy has to be present and accounted for or else big daddy boss man gets mad.
Scouts is one day.. her girls
Scouts is one day.. her girls have activities three days and the days line up so that 5 (if supposedly monday is no longer an activity day if that has changed for one of her daughters) days are taken up for her kids' activities and one day for his son.
Scouts is also apparently an activity in which the fathers take an active role.. unlike the DD's which mom doesn't even need to be there.
AND... her dd's didn't have to give Karate. They could have continued on and that could have been their activity. Instead mom decided they would pick new and much more involved activities.
Sorry.. OP has scheduled at least 5 days out of 7 for her girls. Her DH has what.. One regular day? That doesn't seem like a really equitable split to make her DH change up his ONE day plan.
No one is saying her girls can't continue their activities. Mom just needs to figure out better logistics so she isn't the one always gone.
She could have also suggested that instead of the sitter for SS that he be included in the meal out...since her girls are otherwise occupied.
Well, SS has two activities
Well, SS has two activities now, right? Either he is doing scouts and karate or he got to quit and do something different. Why can't DD's have the same privileges? Becaause they don't have an overbearing granparent pulling the purse strings?
It is my understanding that
It is my understanding that her DH wants his son to only do Scouts which is one day a week with occasional other activities.
He is asking for her to reduce her daughter's activities as well because she is "never home"... Now, she could try to figure out a way that her daughters could continue to do the things they want and make it be so that she could be home more.
What she did was basically tell her DH that she isn't going to compromise, but he is welcome to tag along while his kid is at the sitter..or he can change to a new troop.
No one said that she had to take her girls out of Karate. She decided to switch because "if DH can take SS to scouts.. I can take my girls to activities too and they don't have to be the same".. then She picks activities with multiple day a week requirements and on opposite days, virtually guaranteeing she will be on the road almost daily.
She could have just as easily picked something without the multiday and opposing schedules.. but she didn't . She wanted to learn him a lesson. Well, he has been telling her that he is unhappy with the schedule overload. He has suggested he will curtail his son's activities. She has not offered to be equally compromising in any way. She is saying "well he changed the rules.. so he is stuck with them...nannner nanner boo boo"
Yes DH's SF has tried to interfere at times, but TBH, I think her DH probably needed to listen to his kid a bit more than he was before and I don't think that SF was completely out of line.. (not 100% right.. and the bonus thing was over the top).
Send the kids to bed 30 mins
Send the kids to bed 30 mins early two nights a week (they can do an extra 30 min reading if they aren't tired). Switch off electronics and spend time together. One night get dressed up (down?) into something sexy, put in some perfume and some lipstick. If you do this twice a week your husband will feel like you two are getting more quality time together even if the quantity has gone down.
As for family time, try to make sundays even more special than usual. Create some Sunday routines that help blend you all together. Going to the movies or bowling (out local alley has very cheap rates in the mornings) or biking. Find a group activity or set time asside to do something different each week. Try to make sure most chores and homework are done on other days so that it can be quality time. Again, work with what time you have got and not try fight the time that you don't have.
I'd keep the activities and
I'd keep the activities and quit going to church }:) By dropping church your family will gain an entire day together and 10% more of your income back. Sleep in, make pancakes then go for a hike instead.
I would not drop my kids activities just because DH is unhappy. Find ways to keep their activities going but also make DH a priority too, date nights, etc.
Your DH sounds like a real
Your DH sounds like a real baby. He does not like any of your suggestions to spend more time with him yet he has no ideas of his own that do not involve taking your girls out of activities.
And if you bring Ss out to dinner Fri night while the girls are at activity then SS actually gets an extra treat of dinner out. And with him there then you and DH still have no time as a couple together.
Ask DH point blank what is he actually missing? Time as a whole family sitting around the house doing nothing? Time as a couple with intimacy time? Dinner on the table? What? Tell him to pick one thing to work on first.
Do not give up the girls activities, finish out the season. As long as they are doing well in school let them stay involved with activities they enjoy. Consider finding a responsible au pair or older lady granny type who could use a little extra income to help with the driving. Unless that is that you enjoy seeing the practice sessions and talking with the other parents while you wait. This is important for your mental and social health as much as for the girls.
It sounds like DH is co defendant on you for all his needs. Doesn't he have any friends his own age?
Make some small changes on your own to carve out a little extra time after the kids are in bed. Don't talk about it with him...just do it. Then make some time to interact as a family...at home. Movie time with snacks...board games...a family walk after dinner. Leave the dishes sit and just take a half hour walk. Kids can ride bikes but stay close so you can all talk about things you see on the walk or share your day.
Ask him for ideas that will work for everyone.
SS should not have to change his scout group. DDs should not have to change their activities. It is good for kids to be involved in something besides video games and staring into a iPad. They will be less likely to get into drugs and trouble if they are involved in good activities. Also do not give up church. Perhaps there is even an older lady there who needs some extra income and could help as a mothers helper while you are at home at first. Then take on more responsibility as the kids get older into more activities.
Tell DH you are glad he shared his feelings with you and you are willing to explore solutions. As life is an ever changing cycle it may take a while to find some routines that work.
Maybe the Friday night dinner with SS is a picnic in the park near the girls activities, SS can play or bring his bike to ride while you and DH talk and walk, or rest on a picnic blanket and hear the wind blowing in the trees.
This time will pass. There is a time for every purpose under heaven.
"And if you bring Ss out to
"And if you bring Ss out to dinner Fri night while the girls are at activity then SS actually gets an extra treat of dinner out. And with him there then you and DH still have no time as a couple together."
Her suggestion was that he get a sitter for his son... which not being a full time dad, he isn't interested in doing.
I also think it's important to consider that her DH is voicing his concerns... repeatedly. He is keeping lines of communication open while OP's response is now that "Oh well, I tried"... when her offer was basically another request for him and his son to give up more.
I agree, ESMOD. OP's girls'
I agree, ESMOD. OP's girls' activities have her gone a lot more than DH and SS. 6 days versus 2-3 days? It's understandable wanting the girls to have the same number of activities, but this is definitely affecting the marriage. But it sounds as if OP is not budging. If this is only for a couple more months, that would be one thing, but this sounds like a never-ending issue.
OP and her DH need to find ways to spend quality time together. Even if it's setting aside an hour each night with no interruptions (except emergencies) from the kids.
5 days. The girls don't have
5 days. The girls don't have an activity on Sunday or Monday.
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Well, for a while it was 6
Well, for a while it was 6 days for her girls per her original explanation of the schedule. Now it seems that it is 5 days... but with her SS's only day falling on Monday.. it still ends up being 6 days that are involved with their children's activities.
One of the things that makes
One of the things that makes scouts enjoyable is the camaraderie. If SS and DH have friends in this troop, neither he or DH is going to want to change.
You need to get over your fear of carpooling. You have years of activity pick ups and drop offs ahead. It's time to get to know the other parents. You don't have to be best buds. You don't have to see the carpool parent socially. Your kids don't have to be best friends. You just need to be living nearby and going to the same activity.
Yes, you want the person to be trustworthy. But, in the beginning you have to take that leap of faith and let your child ride with another parent. You can't, well you can but it won't be fun, constantly think I'd never forgive myself if something happens.
If you want your girls in different activities you will need to learn to carpool. Carpool is a parent survival necessity.
DH and SS take 1 day per
DH and SS take 1 day per week. Only ONE.
You are taking up 6 days out of the week for your girls. 6 out of 7.
The one who should compromise is you. All of your suggestions is asking for DH and SS to change and your girls to change nothing.
You hated when SS took 2 days per week but it's ok for your girls to take 6 days?!
You are not compromising, you are wanting your cake and eat it too. At the expense of your marriage. You hated when your DH was doing it but now it's ok for you to do it.
This keeping score and tit for tat and you did it so I'll do and I don't wanna hear it stuff? Not what a marriage is about. It seems your DH has learned his lesson and now asking you to be a team player. You're basically saying it's too late you did it once now I can do it too and I don't wanna know cuz you did it first so nee-ner nee-ner nee-ner.
First marriage/fourth marriage. First family or blended.....this is NOT what a successful partnership should be about.
OP your DH just wants to be
OP your DH just wants to be an ass. If you pull your girls out of all activities he'll just find something else to bitch about. He'll probably complain that the girls are home too much.
Hon, it sounds like your
Hon, it sounds like your husband is already thinking about divorce.