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O/T - wanted opinions from divorced people

skylarksms's picture

So, I am pretty much resigned to the fact that my marriage isn't going to work out. Sad

I am taking a few months to save up and give him a chance to make any changes - which he won't, I'm pretty sure.

My H is verbally abusive, mainly when he drinks. He's also an alcoholic. He has never been physically abusive to me (BM claims he was to her) but he has been threatening at times and has a scary temper.

The stress of his behavior is seriously affecting my health (I have a few chronic conditions) and I am making this decision mainly because of that.

All I really want is 1 of the 2 cars, my computer and the stuff I came into the marriage with. He can have everything else including the house. The house is paid for but is 10 minutes from his work and an hour from mine. I would rather move closer to work. I am willing even to take the bills as we are almost debt free (except my student loans).

In a perfect world, I could discuss this rationally with him, he would realize that we should be apart too, and we would come to an amicable agreement and everything would be done (and would not be too expensive).

In the real world, I was wondering if any of you went through an amicable divorce? Any suggestions?

Also, if you were in my situation (given your limited knowledge of it) would you tell him ahead of time or sneak your stuff out and leave a note or something?

I have no clue of anything except things can't stay as they are.

skylarksms's picture

Spunki, thanks for that support. I will definitely check out this website.

skylarksms's picture

We've known each other for 11 years and been married for 9.

We have no kids together. He has 2 (or BM does, anyway) and my son is grown.

caregiver1127's picture

Why in God's name would you give him the house - if you both paid for it and there is not a pre-nup then get half of the house - don't bite off your nose to spite your face. Either sell the house or make him buy out your half - you live an hour away would it not be nice to be able to buy a condo or small house near your job - also if he has debt let him pay off his own debt.

Something does not add up here - has he ever hit you - you sound like an abused woman who is afraid for your life - if that is the situation then you should get out now and not wait - you ask if you should sneak your stuff out when he is not there - that is what an abused woman who is afraid to get her husband upset and you want to live somewhere that is does not know where you are says - are you okay in the situation right now - there are a lot of agencies that can help you. I am a little afraid for you!

skylarksms's picture

OK, the reason I would give him the house is that it is not worth very much and I could see the lawyer fees to fight for it being more than the house itself!

As far as being scared. Yes, I am. He has not been physically violent to me or the kids but he has a bad temper and has been in physical fights with others. He was physically abused by his father growing up and I am afraid that all bets might be off if I tell him I am leaving.

This is a guy who told my SS16 to hold onto the screwdriver so he could stab someone in the eye if they tried to enter in our vehicle. SS wanted to sit in the vehicle while we got groceries. I could see if we were in a crime-ridden area - but we are in a mostly RURAL area!!

I have actually told him that I am going to leave but he doesn't believe me. So, I don't know how to go about the whole situation.

The debt we have is in my name and should all be paid off by April so I am not concerned about that.

caregiver1127's picture

Well I am glad to hear that you are not in immediate physical harm even though I feel that verbal abuse is sometimes much worse because wounds heal but emotional scars from being berated take a long long time to heal if ever. I am praying for.

KathyB's picture

Please don't sell yourself short just to "get out." You are entitled to property. If you don't want to live in the house, then a judge will order him to buy you out of it 1/2 the equity which will go a long way in helping you get another place where you want. If he doesn't want to buy you out, then a judge can order a partition of sale. You will still split the proceeds and again, use that money for something else. He is also responsible for half of the debt. PLEASE don't sell out just to get out. It's not worth it in the long run. Just hang in there, get what is rightfully yours and then move on. You will remember what I am telling you years from now and be thankful you did.

skylarksms's picture

I totally understand your point, however, the house is worth so little and the debt is so little that I don't think the lawyer fees are worth it. I'd be willing to give into whatever just to get out - and as cheaply as possible!

Any coupons for lawyers?? Smile

KathyB's picture

If lawyer fees would be more than what the house is worth or the debt to be paid, then you are right. I don't think lawyers take coupons...wish they did!!!!! Blum 3

skylarksms's picture

The house has only been appraised at $17,000. The debt (minus student loans, ugh!) is about $2000.

I only have one friend to go by but I know her lawyer bills for her divorce were more than that and she ended up paying alimony!

The house is beautiful to me but not worth the hassle AND I am sick of commuting!

stormabruin's picture

My divorce wasn't costly by any means. I paid $350. I didn't battle for anything. I just wanted out. I just wanted it behind me. In my situation, it would've just prolonged the headache & I'd have had to fork out more $$$ I didn't have. I had everything I needed & I was good with it. I have no regrets.

stormabruin's picture

I left my ex, who was also verbally abusive, but he never was physically abusive. When I'd decided I'd reached the point of being finished & had no more energy to put into trying to fix our broken marriage, I did tell him. There were things I needed to say to him in order for me to be able to get closure & move on, & I felt it would be unfair for me just to pack & go one day while he was gone. I felt he needed a heads up so he could get things in order on his end, & that way I wasn't rushed to get my things together & be out the door before he got home.

I just told him I'd had enough. I gave my reasons. I said what I needed to say. I answered his questions. It took me about a month to find a new place. We both had sad days & angry days, & believe it or not, we shared a few of those days looking over our pictures & talking about our happy days. But, not one day did I ever question my choice to leave. It was best.

He was prepared for a battle over things. He wanted the TV, the couch, the bedroom furniture, the computer, etc. I talked with several lawyers & because I helped financially while he was in school, they wanted me to sue for alimony. I had no interest in taking his money. I was just ready to be done. I was prepared to take only with what I came with, & that's what I did. The only thing we acquired together that I took was our photos. Just a couple of years ago I went through those & offered him the duplicate copies, & he was appreciative.

Even being the one to leave, I was sad. I'd loved him & didn't want to hurt him, but I couldn't continue to hurt in silence to spare his pain. We didn't talk for about a year, but as feelings began to heal, we reached a point where we can be friendly when we run into each other. He has a child with someone else, but has not been able to function in a successful or long-term relationship since.

Given the information you posted, if you're planning to stay long enough to try to work things out, I would discuss it with him. Let him know what your thoughts are. If he realizes how seriously you're taking it, maybe in turn, he will take it seriously too. In my case, I'm glad I did it the way I did. I feel like I gave us both the opportunity to ask & answer questions of the other. I feel like it was fair to give both of us a chance to figure out what we needed to figure out in order to go our separate ways, & best of all, we were able to part ways on good terms. By the time I moved out, our feelings had processed & the anger had passed. We were both sad to see our marriage end, but by that time we both knew it was best for both of us. I am glad to be able to say that I don't hate my ex. Smile

skylarksms's picture

Stormabruin, your post made me get teary eyed.

I have thought the whole marriage, if only... if only he would quit drinking, if only he would get counseling, if only he would get on medication (from my own experiences I believe he has serious anxiety and depression issues)...

He refuses to do any of these things.

I do love him and this is going to be the hardest thing I've ever had to do because of that. But I cannot put his happiness ahead of my health - especially when his happiness isn't too apparent either.

stormabruin's picture

It is hard to hurt someone you love, but like I told my ex, it's not fair for me to spend my life in a marriage I'm not happy in, & it's not fair for him to spend his life married to someone who isn't happy with him.

Counseling, drinking, depression, etc...those are things that ONLY he can change, & ONLY when he decides he wants to change them. You staying or leaving isn't going to make it happen.

It was difficult for me to leave because my ex was depressed. I felt guilty...like I was kicking him while he was down, but I'd been there for 4 years. My being there didn't make it go away. It didn't change when I left, except that he moved closer to his family & had their support. He did come out of his depression. It could've been that me doing everything for him because I felt sorry for him was enabling that depression. Maybe his family was better about making him do for himself. I don't know.

I know that we parted on good terms, & I know that if I ever needed anything I could call on him as a friend & he would be there for me.

skylarksms's picture

I also like your idea of the being able to ask and answer questions for closure.

We had a discussion about a month ago where he came to the realization that, although his relationship with BM was crap, it wasn't right for him to leave HER the way he did and that probably contributed to the hell BM has put us through all these years.

ThatGirl's picture

It sounds like we married the same guy (drinking, verbally abusive). I stuck it out for 13 years because of my children, and when it just couldn't be done anymore, we tried doing it amicably. We even went to counseling after I moved out. He was very cooperative, we filled out our own documents and filed them. He was hoping he could win me back, but it was a day late and a dollar short. When he finally figured out that counseling and pretending to be nice wasn't going to bring me home, he did a total 180 and completely flipped out, no way he was going to amicable now. He hired a lawyer, filed new documents, and fought everything (even asking for spousal support from me, who was a SAHM throughout our marriage). He did everything he could to make it take as long as possible. It was awful, I had a divorce that drug on for nearly 7 years, even tho I asked for absolutely nothing (no SS, no CS, didn't attempt sole custody, let him keep the big house). I gave everything up, even got stuck with bills he accrued long after I left, and actually owed him some cash on top of it. It was a huge mess!

Triggerfishgal's picture

ExH and I had an amicable divorce, if there is such a thing. He was a verbally abusive alcoholic as well. I walked away from a house, all the furniture, everything with the exception of my car (a judge will make sure you have one of your cars, as you have to have transportation to work), my personal belongings, and my pets. I just wanted out, safely. Having said that, I really regret not taking at least some of what was mine, rightfully. I mean, damn, I even left the food dehydrator, since I would have had to put it in storage! After I moved in with my new DH, I regretted that I had left so many little things behind that I KNOW exH doesn't use. I could call him and get them back, as we still speak occasionally, but it means a pain in the ass for both of us. I just wish I had taken more of what was rightfully mine, rather than just think "well, I'm the one initiating the divorce, so I should be nice and let him have this, that, and the other.....including the maple and slate bedroom set he gave me after 7 years of his crap."

If you are truly uncertain of how you husband might react to your leaving, then one option is to leave him a letter, as I did my ex. We were all afraid of how he would react, as he had hit me once before (I'm all of 5'2" and 95lbs). His own mother knew I was leaving him, and she told me to leave him a letter, rather than tell him in person. THAT told me something. I wrote a 9 page letter and left it for him on the couch. My mom and best friend came that morning, we got a UHaul, and had me out in 3 hours. Best decision I ever made. Be safe. Message me if you need someone to talk to or some advice on the leaving. It sounds like you and I were in similar boats.

steptwins's picture

One side note here: even if he did stop drinking (i.e. got sober) doesn't mean squat. My DH stopped 4 years ago & is MISERABLE! We can't go to parties/out to dinner, etc. b.c. drinking is going on. He resents it (being sober). I never asked him to do it, he did it after a seizure in a 30 day in-patient program. So I have to sugar coat everything & play nice b.c. he might need a "stiff one" if I just speak what's on my mind. LOL. And even sex isn't what is used to be, he's like 1/2 a man w/o the booze. Sad but so true.

skylarksms's picture

I can about imagine. He tried to quit chewing a few months back. Every time I would voice my opinion and it would differ from his - or if I wanted to discuss an issue, I would get accused of trying to make him start back up. I told him that didn't make any sense - WHY would I want him to start back up??

But I could see it being that way if he DID decide to quit drinking. However, he has told me many times that he won't. Also, his relationships with his brother and father are pretty much hanging out and drinking together so I feel that would be his stumbling block right there.

skylarksms's picture

My H, on the other hand, is constantly apologizing. It doesn't even faze me anymore. It's like someone saying "Um" or something else that they say so often, it's lost it's meaning.

For instance, say two kids get in a fight. How many times can one kid poke the other kid and say sorry with the pokee still believing the apology? Not too many times, I wouldn't think.

I make more $$ than he does so I feel like even if I ditch everything, I would quickly be able to get whatever I needed. My house isn't worth enough to fight for, even if it was closer to my work.