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Dealing with boyfriend’s kids being angry and crying

mapap's picture

Hi everyone. Looking for some advice on how to help my bf. Since he has left his kids have been having meltdowns.. very angry and constantly asking him to come home. I'm trying to be understanding and supportive. Any advice?

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Cover1W's picture

Wait what? Did you not leave him? Did he go back to you and move into your new home with you? Please tell me I am mistaken....

Why are YOU dealing with his adult babies? YOU can't fix it. Only he can if he chooses. Go back and read your former blogs to remind yourself of why you left him.

Winterglow's picture

What happened? In your last post, you were living separately because he refused the idea of his princesses lifting as much as a little finger to help around the house. Did he leave them? Can you give us a bit more of the background, please?

Anyway, I don't think there's much you can do about their weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. These are not children, two are in their 20s and the youngest is 17, right? I'm surprised he left them... did he get fed up with them ruling the roost? Either way, it's all on him. I hope you have his daughters blocked left right and centre 

mapap's picture

Sorry everyone this is someone completely new. His children are girls 9 and 12.

mapap's picture

So long story short starting dating a man I've been friends with most of my adult life. He was recently exiting his marriage. Not divorced yet. Ex found out about us and told the kids. She has tried to poison the kids against him. The kids are still young and are really struggling. Sorry to confuse everyone.. I didn't think my old threads were still attached. I have not gone back to the other guy with the adult children. Absolutely not!

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire! 2 preteen girls? Already being poisoned against you by a BM who was recently left? The only person who can deal with this is their dad. He and only he can put a stop to needless drama and toxicity, and he can give them the positive attention, correction, and parenting they need, so they will grow up to be well-behaved, self-sufficient young ladies as opposed to something like the "cash me outside" girl. It's good to be understanding and supportive, but also be watchful for red flags. You have no idea what kind of divorced dad this guy will be, because he's just getting started. He needs a CO with a custody schedule, and he needs to insist that it's followed, even if it means paying child support. That's just the beginning. 

Cover1W's picture

Agree with all of this. My opinion above applies to the OPs new situation too. Only HE can control it, or try to, and put down basic standards of behavior. YOU, OP, can control nothing. This said from someone who is with a Disney Dad, who lived through two entitled SDs (now 17 and almost 20), and a PAS situation on top of it. I disengaged hard. Still am and that's the only reason we are together.

mapap's picture

I know.. and truly if we hadn't known one another for close to 30 years and have a very good connection i would never entertain this. But we do.. I guess I just have to lay back and let him handle it 

shamds's picture

If he is in the process of divorcing his ex, he has all this baggage, guilty daddy syndrome, disney dad syndrome, he is definitely lacking in any structure or discipline for his kids. He's hoping you're their surrogate mummy to handle all the issues- that is his job to deal with. 
 

if he is comfortable and turns a blind eye towards the way the kids behave, he isn't gonna care much about addressing their behaviour. Also, why are his kids being dumped with you and left with you to deal with and parent??

hoping for the best isn't motivation for the dad to address those major issues. Often times its only when they realised how you've had enough that they and about to walk out the door are they motivated enough to start laying down the law.

exwifes who have been divorced years, even had affairs and now married to affair hubby still cause issues with their exhusband's new marriage even if he met and married her many years after the divorce, she is still hell bent on using that against the kids to sabotage their relationship with dad so she is the poor victim and often daddy is too balless to address that. You are in a relationship with a man not officially divorced, there are all kinds of things biomum is no doubt poisoning her kids mind with.

its almost like you left 1 toxic relationship or marriage and dove straight into another without learning from your past mistakes. Until he addresses these issues with his kids and divorce is finalised, you are setting yourself up for an actively toxic household environment and failure 

Cover1W's picture

There's a difference between "laying back" and disengaging. In no way should you just lay back and take it. You must have serious discussions with your new person about what you will accept and won't (I recommend not using the term "disengaging" in those discussions). It helps to write them out. And if you personally are effected, say for instance your things getting taken or broken for example, or someone being outride rude to you directly, you absolutely say something then. Firmly, politely. You need to read up on disengagement at the least. Be aware, even if you know the guy, that he's JUST out of a marriage and has not been alone or worked on himself yet. HUGE red flag IMHO.

Sadielady's picture

I agree with all the above. SO has to reassure his kids that he's still their dad, understand that their feelings are valid, and set boundaries for their behaviour. People get confused in situations like this. The kids are going to struggle and they're going to stumble behaviourally. A parent ca n understand and empathize with bad behaviour without accepting and reinforcing that behaviour. 

Survivingstephell's picture

Let him get thru his divorce first.  Then he needs to learn to parent solo in a healthy way.  If BM thinks she can reunite this relationship with him and sees you as a barrier to that, she will be nasty, use the skids as pawns.  Right now he is UNAVAILABLE for a true relationship with you.  Give him his space to get thru this.  Do not become his crutch or transitioning girl friend.   

grannyd's picture

Hey, Mapap,

Survivingstephell has given good advice. In no way, is your boyfriend ready for a relationship with a new partner while he is heavily involved with his divorce, an angry ex-wife and hurt, confused children. Right now, his baggage is too weighty for you or any other woman to carry.

You've mentioned that your boyfriend was 'recently exiting his marriage’ when you began to date. Perhaps his ex-wife (actually his current wife since they are not yet divorced) believes that you and her husband were involved before he left her? If that's the case, it well explains her anger and her decision to punish the man by alienating their daughters. 

If adultery was the reason for the marital breakup, the children have good reason to resent you and have 'meltdowns'. In any case, you and your boyfriend would be well advised to slow your roll until he takes care of his messy marital issues.  

I well recall your posts from last year and your homelife with a guilty Disney Dad and his indulged, insolent daughters. Your misery made me cringe, particularly since I’d gone through the same trials (although decades ago) with a hostile ‘Daddy’s girl’. It was no fun and I’d hate to see you fall into a similar, traumatic situation. 

Hon, if the relationship with your boyfriend is based on equal affection and respect, you’ll be together once the dust settles on the chaos that’s presently engulfing him. 

And BTW, did your ex and his three harpies manage to implode? Dang, but they were awful!

 

mapap's picture

Thank you everyone for the advice! As for the last relationship.. Disney dad and the 3 daughters are still in the same boat. The BM has no part in their lives and everyone to my knowledge is carrying on the same way... as for this situation because it occurred shortly after he left, yes the ex does feel we have been together since before the end and won't really listen or care to listen otherwise. I have not had any contact with his kids. However I do know he is trying to navigate that and keep me out of it as much as possible. He just looks defeated. But I tried to explain to him this won't be an instant thing where the kids accept you are gone. There will be crying and temper tantrums and resentment. He didn't think the kids would react this way.. I'm thinking you are kidding right?? I am thinking the best thing for me to do is stay out of it, talk about it if he is willing to talk and then let him handle his affairs. Basically lay low 

Rags's picture

IMHO, the kids are not the ones needing clarity on daddy's departure.  

SO needs to gird his loins, give his XW clarity, give the kids clarity.

You.... need to make it perfectly clear that if you and he are to have a relationship, he must immediately establish a visitation schedule and defend that schedule as his and your hill to die on.

No BM calling, dropping off the kids outside of SO's visitation time, etc.....

Both you and DH need to keep clarity that the NCP's primary advantage is not having to take visitation, nor cover for the CP.

The SDs will have the best chance of successfully adjusting if SO maintains absolute structure.

You clearly understand that based on the timing of your new relationship, BM will refuse to recognize that SO was not cheating on her with you.  Once the marriage home is left, there is no cheating.

As my then STBXW and STBXFIL were pulling out of our driveway with a truck and trailer full of her crap, the locksmith was driving up the street to rekey the locks, and I was on the phone setting up a date.  I had run into a former GF at the lake the weekend before  when I wa boating with friends a couple of weeks after my XW informed me that she wanted a divorce.

I had a date the evening of the day XW drove off with her father.

The fun part.... XW started banging on the front door of our house the next morning.  She was pissed that her keys no longer worked.  I answered the door with a towel wrapped around my waist.  I kept the storm door locked.  XW was losing her mind. Then dropped silent when a beautiful blonde woman walked up behind me wrapped in a bedsheet.   

There was nothing that XW should have said considering she was knocked up by her geriatric Fortune 500 GrandPa sugar/baby daddy.  But, being who she is, she tried to flap her gums. I locked the door in her face.

Blessedly, we had no children so my life since has been XW drama free. Except for house drama 3yrs after the divorce.

Rather than lay low, I suggest that you set your boundaries, enforce them with the BM, SDs, and most importantly, with your SO.  This is YOUR relationship as much as it is SOs.  You owe yourself to defend your relationship and your own life happiness.  From SO, BM, and their children. You have the experience in blended relationships. SO does not.  Offer him the benefit of your experience while making the boundaries clear to him.

It is challenging to overcome the inherrent guilt parenting and overly Skid centricity that divorced parents tend to bring to new relationships.

Take care of you.

Good luck.

 

mapap's picture

Thank you for that advice. Unfortunately since my post , he had decided to go Back to the home because of his incredible guilt feeling of leaving his kids. I told him that was ridiculous and he was confusing them and now going to show them what a terrible marriage looks like. I told him I was done .. no way we are picking this up again when you hate where you live and are regretting your decision. Maybe a blessing in disguise.. like someone said here. From the frying pan to the fire is what could be happening 

Rags's picture

For you.

Take care of you.

If I ever, heaven forbid, find myself single and decide to date. I would focus on non breeder partners for anythign beyond basic company and outings.

I know that my marriage is a Unicorn example of a blended family/SParent relationship. I could not do to myself what so many have suffered through in entering the blended family relationship arena.  I am not sure I would risk it a second time even though my marriage, my Skid, and our life as a family has been incredible.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

He did you a favor. I know you know him from 30 years ago, but he is a different person now. It would have been a disaster for you. 

mapap's picture

I feel very broken right now. I feel all that we worked for together has just completely disappeared. I need to pick up the pieces somehow.. I do however agree.. he needs to get it together and be actually divorced before having a relationship. Trying to move too fast I feel is a red flag..  no time to heal and truly move on. It just is heart wrenching 

Winterglow's picture

Not only does he need to be divorced, he also needs to have spent at least 6 months learning how to parent by himself. Otherwise, he's just going to pass all his parenting responsibilities on to you. He needs to understand that life isn't easy and that problems can't be solved by telling you that he doesn't understand why you are tired/exasperated/etc. because "they're such easy kids". Easy kids or not, they take work and it's HIS job to deal with them.

Rags's picture

with him.

He is not man enough to be your true equity life partner.

Hope ... can blind one to reality. 

Do not let that happen.

I get the sorrow and grief. However, you just ended a disasterous relationship with a failed man. Yet you entered into a near immediate new relationship with yet another failed man with many of the same failure characteristics as the last one.

Stop thinking with your fee fees. Feelings are not worth a shit in analysis and decision making.  

Give yourself time to heal, rediscover your confidence and the mapap you like being.  Then, never again engage with someone with the failure characteristics of the last two. Ever.  Find environments where those types do not frequent.   

I am both a strong intuitive personality and an eternal optimist.  But... I am also analytical and able to learn from my own experiences/failures and from the experience and failure of others.

It was not a decided process for me. Though after my divorce while I as working through the 2-4ish year grief cycle I did not engage in forming relationships with anyone my spidey senses indicated was partner material. I enjoyed dating, had some fun, formed close friendships, both genders, finished my undergrad.....  Then withing a couple of months after the 3rd anniversary of my divorce being final, I met 4 wonderful women. Any one of which would be a solid life partner.  My DW of 29+ years is the last of those 4 ladies.  I met her, and we have been dating every day since.

Give yourself that chance.

Take care of you.

 

mapap's picture

I agree with all of this. Although hard to understand, we have such a deep connection, that this one is very hard to let go of. The previous relationship, although 7 year long, I had no issue letting go of because the feelings were just gone, the emotional crap that he and the kids brought to the table was such a turn off it was very easy to let go and move on from that situation. This one on the other hand I am really struggling with because there was so much connection and emotion there. However, I see all the evidence of a mess, it's hard to see the bigger picture.. we both cried, he didn't want to leave me, but feels resposible deeply for leaving and hurting his kids yet his marriage was beyond toxic.. I am not sure how he is so delusional to think that leaving would be easy and the kids would just automatically adapt. I told him he really needs some therapy. Not just for this, but to figure out why he stayed in such a toxic relationship for so long. Again, it just really cuts deep this one. I'm trying to function on zero sleep as we speak. 

Winterglow's picture

He possibly thought that leaving would be easy and that the kids would just adapt because ... he isn't very invested in family life. Thinking like that makes me suppose that he didn't spend a lot of quality time with his children before he left. Basic lack of understanding of what children are...

I take back what I said above, it's going to take a LOT more than 6 months before he can stand on his own two feet to take care of his children alone.

Take your life back and enjoy just being you for a while. It's very therapeutic.

mapap's picture

you are very right, no he wasnt heavily involved with the kids. Their mother monopolized all the time with the kids and he was often left out. Now he is messaging me telling me he has made an awful mistake. I am lost and bewildered by the entire situation. But yes, i feel he needs to take care of himself and make the right moves. He needs to be whole before he can give to anyone else. 

Winterglow's picture

He also needs to stop messaging you because it's just stressing you out even more and it's not helping anyone. Let him get the divorce over and done with, the CO dealt with, the children back on an even keel, his house in order and him being comfortable as a single parent and then he can call you. If you both think you are the right person for each other, you will wait as long as it takes... but you can't keep absorbing his stress from his life choices.

ESMOD's picture

Honestly.. I am not so sure he was 100% honest with either you or his ex.  The fact that he is back at home.. kind of speaks to a scenario where he really wasn't all the way out the door when he started dating you.. and perhaps used you in some ways as a gateway.. or security blanket while he was navigating his feelings about his marriage. So, his wife may have been right to an extent... you were dating someone that was still partially in the relationship with her..at least at the start.. and maybe he even was kind of operating in some fantasy that he could leave problems behind by starting with you?

He went back.. and  possibly for a lot of reasons.. they have history.. they have kids.. they have had the good times and bad.. and it's probably easier to be back and not have to go through the pain of undoing their family.

He may not have intended to use you.. but I think he did in some ways use you to comfort himself and distract himself from the more seriousness of his family situation.

I don't know if you have had constant contact through the 30 years.. or whether this was a blast from the past kind of thing... but he may have been seeking to escape from his reality.. and in it got away from him.. and he realized he may in fact have had more feelings for his family including his wife than he realized.

What you can't do is continue to allow him to dip into both ends of the pool.. let him emotionally unburden himself at your expense.. because you are likely to get nothing out of it.

dandelion wishes's picture

Agreed 100% with ESMOD.

mapap's picture

Hi Everyone, so I took everyone's advice and I am just staying away from this situation. He is staying with his parents now. He tried to go back and it just didn't work so he tried to come back to me and I said I don't feel you are in any way ready for this. He has gone to stay with his parents and try to work somethings out. He is struggling with how the kids feel. I understand that is devastating, however, I said to him, if the kids were not upset I would severly question you as a father. That is to be expected. He also found out how much he will have to pay in child support and alimony, which he freaked out about. I said UM... you have been married over 20 years, how did you not think you would be paying... especially because she has barely worked the entire time you were married. I explained that he has allowed and enabled her bullying behavior, her lack of motivation, and her inability to keep a job. He has taken her emotional abuse and yet still, he is worried about the money aspect rather than the peace aspect. He really confused the kids going back, now after he left they are really upset again. I told him he deeply needs some counseling to deal with some of the insecurities and lack of a realistic outlook he has on this entire situation. I hope he decides to do that. We truly do have a connection, but he is in no way ready for that at this time. I do hope for his sake and the kids sake he finds his way in a more mentally healthy way.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Damn. Sounds like his wife wouldn't take him back, you wouldn't take him back again, and now his main concern is the money. Don't let him use you as his midlife crisis substitute for the sports car he can't afford. You are worth a guy who can be all in. He isn't the same young guy you knew 30 years ago. 

mapap's picture

The wife wants him to come back.. he won't go back there. He is going to get some counseling so that's a step in the right direction 

mapap's picture

Hi everyone. I need someone to knock some sense into me. I had been seeing the same man again who has left his wife. He told me he had a better handle on things with the kids. He was staying at his moms and then I like a moron allowed him to move in. It's not been a month and now he is claiming he should go back because of the kids and "give them the life they deserve". Whatever the hell that means. He didn't end up going back home last time, he went to his moms. I believe that is what he plans on doing again because he still doesn't know what he wants. He has not spoken with a lawyer and he is living in limbo. I told him I love him dearly but this is not ok. I'm trying to just move on, let him figure out his life. He keeps coming around with all these promises and I care about him so I am being very stupid. Can someone please help. I am not a stupid person but clearly im not acting that way