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Depressed, anxious and silent - "tumbleweed" SD18

Other Dad's picture

My two boys 9 & 13 live here part time (when they are not with their BM) they are talkative, upbeat and "zaney" 

....but the SD18 is here full time. 

Her loser (substance abuse) dad doesn't pay towards anything for her (neither do his parents)

She is pretty much a "shut in" she talks in whisper to her mother  and barely talks to me. She sleeps til 3pm in the afternoon. 

She's been offered but doesn't go to therapy for her anxiety and depression. 

Sha can't be told off for anything. If she does something careless in the house it's me that get portreyed as the "ogre" by my partner, her BM because I made her 'feel bad'. 

Her mother seems scared of her at times - apologising for not making her lunch etc. She's 18!!!

SD Rolls silently around the house like a tumbleweed with a dead expression. She is on prozac. Seems like if she had her own way she would wander in and out of rooms I am in all day and not say "hi" to me once. 

Death by a thousand silences

I got a friend to help her (a lot) with something and when I sent SD a note suggesting she thank my friend, SD's mother started crying, saying that I was putting "too much pressure" on SD. What??!!!

SD is almost an elective mute with me and her mother. 

However, in her room on calls with friends she has the best time laughing hilariously. So much fun! 
 

I have to watch her ignore her mother asking her to help with simple chores. And watch SD gaslight / twist her mother's conversation into a (falce) narratives that lead to....? guess what?...SD having to not lift a finger or make any effort to do - ANYTHING! (Bravo!!!)

Anyhow, SD can (and does) end up causing me grief with my partner her mother. SD's behavior drives me crazy. Part of the issue is my expectations for her to behave like a normal person. (I think I need to abandon that expection!) She is 'broken'. 

I have given up trying to encourage a normal dialog. Or design scenarios where we communicate (total failures) 

She isn't going to therapy. 

So SD is broken. Not getting help. 

It's a shame. 

Someone suggested I expect absolutely nothing from her. I am now trying to do that AND dig deep to find compassion - for a tumbleweed. 

 

 

 

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Winterglow's picture

How does her mother imagine her future? Does your SD go to school? Does she have any plans? Does she have any ambition at all?

Does your wife understand that she is enabling her daughter to NOT live a normal life?

tog redux's picture

Your wife is the problem here, not the "loser" father or SD. She's enabling SD to not function normally and actively preventing her from getting better. Put your energy on your wife's poor parenting. 

JRI's picture

I'm sure there are "swipes" back and forth about this issue.  But have you and your wife sat down quietly and discussed your concern about SD59's apparent depression and any future plans?  Does she see SD launching at some point or does she see her staying there permanently?    As aggravating as I, like you, would find this situation, if you can summon up the patience to hear what your wife says without criticism, it will give you an indication of what's next.

Other Dad's picture

Thanks folks. 

Yes attention on partner now. I need to support her to parent better. Will return with updates. Liking the support here. 

tog redux's picture

It might help her to talk with a therapist herself (both of you), so she can hear that it's not only okay for her to push SD, it's essential for her recovery.  Allowing her to wallow in her dysfunctional comfort zone is not helpful.  I'm sure your wife is worried that SD will do something to harm herself if pushed, but a therapist can help with managing that anxiety and doing what's best for SD.

TheAccidentalSM's picture

Please do come back and let us know how you get on.  Just remember there are no quick fixes.  Everyone is going to have to learn new ways of behaving and this takes time.

JRI's picture

I'm imagining myself in your wife's situation.  I'm seeing my daughter look so sad but I don't know what to do.  I see my DH being exasperated but I feel protective toward my fragile daughter.  I'd like to think that my daughter will launch into a happy life but I have no idea how that would happen.  I dont know what to do and I worry all the time.    I'm feeling sad, worried, confused and scared.

I am going thru all this to help you adjust your attitude as you speak with your wife.  If it were me, I'd welcome a concerned conversation, no accusations, a chance to voice my concerns, a feeling that someone is sharing my load and helping me see some options.  Good luck.

Other Dad's picture

I am going to push the therapy. (I have to pay it)

Of course she is old enough to go out in totally skimpy clothes. *stop*

Movingonisbest's picture

JRI you generally give wonderful well thought out advice. However, I disagree with your take on things for this original poster. His wife is an enabler and his SD, despite her mental issues sounds like a manipulative user.

Original poster said

If she does something careless in the house it's me that get portreyed as the "ogre" by my partner, her BM because I made her 'feel bad'.

 

Original poster's parner doesn't seem to care about how this situation is affecting him. Sounds like she is playing victim as well. Original poster's partner should have already been taking on a major role helping her daughter with this situation and working on her daughter gaining life skills so she can be prepared to launch.Original poster's partner sounds like a lazy parent and she should be trying to minimize the negative impact her daughter is having not only on herself, but her partner and the rest of the family.

Original poster also said

SD is almost an elective mute with me and her mother. 

However, in her room on calls with friends she has the best time laughing hilariously. So much fun! 

The original poster's SD may very well be depressed, but sounds like she is also using her depression as a crutch. She can't do things adults do, but she can be on the phone with friends laughing  hilariously and having fun? I personally wouldn't tolerate her behavior. There would be no talking on the phone laughing hilariously if she doesn't help with chores, cooking, etc. For some people with mental issues, having a job, even if only part-time helps them immensely. That would definitely be in the plan. She is 18, and an adult, so she definitely needs to be in therapy working on managing her depression so she can eventually launch into adulthood.  

Movingonisbest's picture

Original poster, I do also want to say that the way you feel is not unreasonable at all. No way would I let my partner make me feel like an "ogre" for calling out her daughter's crappy behavior. If she did her job as a parent, you wouldn't have to.Smh

It is so unfortunate that people like your partner think someone is going to coddle their kids or adult kids forever. If people like her want to coddle their adult kids forever, then they really should be with someone who feels the same way they do. Or better yet, stay with their kids other biological parent. Or better yet, they could also opt to stay single.

Is it really that hard for parents to realize that their adult kids have to grow up and launch? In a step situation it should be a requirement imho.

 

 

JRI's picture

I think we can all agree Other Dad has reason for concern, not only about SD but for his aggravating situation.  We see it as his wife's issue since we all know it never works for the SP to take the lead.  I think tbe therapy suggestion is great, not just for SD but also his wife.  Opening up communication about the topic is crucial.  Good luck, Other Dad, please let us know how it goes.

 

Evil4's picture

I'm going to play devil's advocate. My DDstb21 had a rough time during her teen years. She was depressed and anxious, which is fine because I can support her in addressing that, but she was not allowed to use it to buy out of life. I fell for it for a while by rescuing DD and cooing her thinking that I was emotionally soothing her and nurturing her, but she really wasn't improving and she wasn't resolving any of her own problems, including ones she caused through self sabotage. When I noticed that DD would pull the "anxiety" and "depression" card to justify her fuck-ups in life or to avoid being addressed for anything, I realized that I was doing too much and allowing way too much. I had to change my parenting and require that DD go to counselling.

DH and I went to counselling to learn how to parent DD and one of the things that our therapist said was to not just let DD continue being the anxious and depressed mess that she is. We were no longer to enable her and we had to teach her to fight for her way in life. There's a lot more, but the gist of it is that I think your DW is enabling your SD. Your SD will not ever grow or change for the better. The world out there isn't going to require everyone to tip-toe around her and not say anything lest they'll upset the delicate one. It just doesn't work that way. Your SD needs counselling, but so does your DW. Your DW's enabling of your SD is negatively impacting you and your marriage. That's why you're unhappy and frustrated.

Sure your SD is broken, there also may be some using her depression and anxiety to bow out of life and stay safe. There's nothing wrong with being depressed and anxious, but there's a lot of resources available these days to help a person help themselves. 

By the way, the minute DH and I stopped enabling our DD, she completely changed and is very independent, capable and fierce. She resolves her own problems when she has any, but she rarely does because she doesn't self sabotage anymore in order to use it to bow out of life. DH and I couldn't be more proud. 

Maybe insist on getting your DW into marital counselling or maybe take charge and insist on counselling for SD. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Let your DW know that what's been going on is negatively impacting you and your marriage and you will no longer stand for it. Something must be done. It's your marriage being affected, so you have every right to stand up and say something and insist on change.

Other Dad's picture

Update. 

No real news.

Except SD18 now fills most silence with singing snippets from pop tunes in a 'little girl' voice(?). So she still doesn't talk - she now precociously sings, to fill the silence. It's annoying. I talk over it trying not not allow it to block communication with her mom. (Perhaps the subconcious intention)

Oh, any slapstick incident where some small accident happens to me - is HILARIOUS to SD!  Tee hee! Oh the joy! Oh the big smile on her face! 

Otherwise it's right back to tumbleweeds / silence (or this new trend, constant 'little girl' singing)

I have been putting some pressure on BM (my partner) to get her to counciling but surprise surprise, a planned (Covid safety law breaking) SD visit to a friend seems to have priority. So we are looking at none booked so far. 

Things have unsurprisingly gotten edgy between me and her mom - lockdown fever plus SD stalled behavior development really not helping. The mom is very conflicted. 

Onwards and upwards!

Other Dad's picture

Further update. 

Disengagement from SD is going OK.

Expect nothing from SD and there will be less risk I will disappointed by her. 

When SD totally ignores her mom (jabbing at her instagram, clearly not interested) I now try to shrug that rudeness off. 

Lowwwwwwww expectations. 

For she is like a vibe vacuum - nothing for me. 

Her mom is terrified SD will follow her father into substance abuse. 

Backing off and letting mom deal with her has meant mom has had to parent more. Good. 

I am civil and kind about food and other things - doing my best. 

I am also aware that on the rare occasions she talks to her mum - I now leave em to it. The integration is never "3 people social" it's always SD talking as if I wasn't there. So I absent my self (I have plenty of more enjoyable things I can do than be ingored) 

What I worry about is that its probably becoming very clear to BM mom that I think that there isn't anything particularly nice at all about SD and this is in contrast to my two kids that SD BM and I talk about positively all the time. 

I can't think about a nice thing to say about SD except that she was born pretty. Anyhow that's what she is presenting to me humanistically - a vacuum - nothing. 

Anti depressants: dose reduced but still ongoing. 

Therapy - none 

Go fish. 

 

Other Dad's picture

Progress now. 
 

attempts at job & moving out. 

JRI's picture

Please elaborate when you can.  Thanks for getting back.

Other Dad's picture

There is a spare room @ a friends shared student appartment for part of the summer. So she has split! 

BM (my partner) will need to adjust. 

Let's see how it goes. 

I suppose this is hitting the "jackpot" for many of you.