Nothing about that list sounds "normal" to me. And I have five kids. The oldest is in college and the youngest is 8. Of course all kids are different. But having accidents at 8 years of age is not normal. To me it would warrant a visit to the pediatrician to rule out medical problems.

One my swins was like this (still kind of is although he's 14). He weighs almost twice has much as he twin brother. ADD was finally diagnosed/accepted by bio. parents, and when he takes his medicine he's less feeling like the universe is centered around him & him alone. He told me some parents actually sell their cars so their kids can afford stuff. My reply, wow I wish it was the other way around b.c. I want a land rover. always have.

Pissed him off over the top.

Some of those things could be normal for his age, and all of them are annoying-nothing wrong with venting about that.

People need to stop venting about people venting.

Incontinence may be caused by obesity...

-3- Chronic Liar (lies about absolutley everything under the sun, and does it so easily)
-5- Obsessed with Food and Television
-7- Emotionally detached from so many things
-8- Preaches/Know it all about everything
-9- Inmature for his age (or at least in accordance with his peers..and sorry yes I'm basing this on my own son and how he was at that age)
-10- Maniuplative

10 yr old Princess does all these things I chose from your list and I have wondered if something was going on with her because her actions are so extreme and totally off the wall..not normal at all. Let me know what you find out.

5, 7, 8 and 10 are all my SD8 too. The others.. espec. the peeing and obesity, not normal -- And I don't think even the ones SD does are normal, but they seem more common in s-kids? But no, these aren't normal and it is OK to be worried about them and try to help him with them. I would say though that they might not ALL be related... these are behaviors not personality traits, it seems like to me?

Mom of 6 kids and background in child development, human services, social work, therapy with special needs (children and teens)

clear up the issue of any medical need and dont be afraid of getting a 2nd opinion also. Children this age typically get embarrassed if anything of this sort would happen. The doc may have some suggestions and they will most likely be something like no liquids before bed, watch the salt etc.

Input a reward system for nights that go well, let him be part of the discussion. Let him pick the rewards - go with you to pick them out and somewhere near his bed put up a night time reminder list (these do not have to be large things or even material rewards; it can be that you go to the park for an hour, library to play on the computer,etc) (my son when he was 5 wanted one of his rewards to be a camo bike - I found some camo medical tape cost me only a couple of bucks to tape his entire bike - he is now 10 and still brags about it). That way when he goes to bed you can remind him to follow his list without be littling him. He is old enough to be part of the process, he can take his wet clothes and blankets to the wash to be cleaned and dried along with making his bed again. (I would not add any punishments for mistakes) These are some of the suggestions that have worked with some of the parents that I have worked with.

I would then go on to a person who specializes in children's therapy if necessary. Make sure that it is someone that you as well as your child is comfortable with and who has simular values for your family.

Good luck, hope this helps, just some ideas

You have already tried alot of things then. Jump to the doc and get your SO to set up a therapy session ASAP. Someone who works with play therapy would be great. You will be surprised by what comes out of that kid, it will seem slow at first but I have seen it do wonders for some kids.

SD8 still has accidents sometimes, though she doesn't pee the bed. She's gone to the doctor for it and no medical reason was found. It's usually when she's outside playing a lot. I think she just puts it off because she's having fun until it's too late. She's about to turn nine and I'd say it hasn't happened in awhile so maybe she's over it now.

Heather:
Is this skid the BM's "favorite"? I just wondered b/c it seriously sounds like you are describing my ss12 exactly. He gets all the PAS from BM, and then ss10 just seems perfectly normal in comparison.

What you said about "Can I have ice cream" shocked me, b/c ss12 said something exactly like that as we were leaving the hospital after visiting a dying relative last weekend. We had him checked for Asperger's and he doesn't have it. Is this really just what happens to a person when their BM practices PAS?

Thanks for posting this. I think your bad vibe is right on!