Is There Any Way Out Short of Divorce?
Hi, first time here. I need to get input from others in a similar situation. I'm so frustrated!
9 months ago my SS age 35 came to live with us. He was homeless and had nowhere to go so against my objections, my DH sent him a bus ticket to come here. I did not agree to this, it was forced on me. I made DH promise that SS would get a job asap, go into therapy, and get out on his own. A little history: SS was adopted at age 8 by my DH when he was married to the BM (bio-mom, right?) They divorced 4 years later and SS moved out of state with BM, who remarried shortly after.
From age 14 to 20, SS visited a few times a year. Over the next 15 years, he went in and out of our lives, mostly out. During these periods we never heard from him, when we had his phone number he would never answer or call back. When he wanted something he would call--usually money, which DH always sent. Never a card or phone call for holidays, birthdays, father's day. Once he showed up with his live in GF who was supporting him with her Daddy's money--along with HER kid--and they wanted help moving to our town. Stayed with us for a month, then rented a house, wouldn't return phone calls, and then one day disappeared--went back to their former state. SS has not worked for at least 10 years, was in the Army for about a year, went AWOL, threatened suicide and finally was discharged for medical reasons (mental). Has always been strange and had depression problems. Married the GF and then she went crazy on drugs and tried to stab him so he left, had no place to go, so ended up here. Burned his bridges with his BM and SD. I suspect he has drug problems.
Now he is here with us and in 7 months has only applied for one job. DH tried to get him to go to work with him (he has his own company) but at least once a week, SS is "sick" or "tired" and has to stay home. DH just babies him. He's afraid he'll go off the deep end if we make any demands. Says I have no compassion.
I am so afraid SS will never leave, that he will just live off us forever. He drives my car on weekends, but is not insured. DH pays him a small amount but SS never offers to use it to pay for insurance and DH won't let me ask him.
He has no social life other than tagging along with our DD and DS when they are home from college (ages 19 and 21)
DH says we "can't" just toss him to the curb, and he might not be "ready" to live on his own.
Is the only solution to divorce DH and get out of this? If I wait--for how long?
Thanks,
KateKate
from your post, i feel your
from your post, i feel your dh is an enabler. And in my opinion enabler's don't change.
I'm a person that could've
I'm a person that could've ended up in this exact scenario...as the "skid," not the parent. I had a very normal, average upbringing, which is probably what saved me. I struggle to function normally and to raise my two kids alone. Too much stress can be debilitating to me. And being a single parent is stressful. It sounds like he has coping issues. There is likely something wrong that counseling can help. He is likely self-medicating. There are no easy answers here, but realize there are people out there struggling day to day that you might not understand. And he probably doesn't understand it to explain it to anyone.
Thanks for your
Thanks for your opinion/comment. Yes, he has coping issues. He went to counseling a few time after he got here, but stopped going--said he'd been to so many therapists in the past, and had read so many books, he knew what they would say and he would just "fix himself'. He takes meds for depression and ADHD, but only sees dr to get refills.
DH gets very angry with me if I suggest we require SS to get counseling. It's like he sees him as so fragile, we don't dare raise any issues.
If he's making threatening
If he's making threatening statements like he's going to hurt himself or others, you can have him detained my the mental health professionals in your area. I'd say lay down some firm rules such as he has to start counseling and that you and DH get to go to the first or second session to explain your concerns.
If it's your DS and DD why are you allowing this seemingly disturbed person to spend time with them? He can't possibly be a good influence and you must be beyond worried that if he's possibly using drugs, he's influencing them to do the same. There should be a requirement that if he's living at home with DH and you, he needs to start therapy and/or work, especially if your DH has a job waiting for him.
Tough love. Do you have anywhere YOU can go for a while? Friend, family? Perhaps your DH needs to experience you being gone for a bit to get the picture and have a wake up call. Your DH is a total enabler as a previous poster said but I do think enablers can learn new tricks.
No, he's never threatened
No, he's never threatened anyone that I know of and he only threatened suicide when he was in the Army. I think he was desperate to get out. He started counseling but now doesn't go. One of the problems is he has no health insurance so has to rely on what's available through public programs which is pretty sparse in Oklahoma.
I don't worry about our DS and DD. They are sharp, know what's going on and away at college most of the time.
The "kid" has had plenty of
The "kid" has had plenty of chances and time to straighten up. Neither he nor his father is going to change and you could go to your grave with him in the guest room.
Tell your husband you want a legal separation and intend to live apart until the kid moves out never to be allowed back. Enforce your request by making temporary arrangement to live elsewhere.
A legal separation is a financial divorce. You remain married but all your assets, income and obligations are separated. If you have some assets in common, like a home, they can be split via undivided interest and one or the other allowed exclusive use and responsibility for - while ownership remains in both names.
This way your assets are protected from something stupid your husband does by loaning his uninsured son his/your car and he kills a Doctor who just got his diploma and license, has a wife and 4 kids who sues for your home, cars, money, business and all future income.
Just as importantly its a major first step which will either get his attention and he'll toss the son or he won't in which case you'll have a clearer idea of what to do next.
You don't have to go through with the legal separation but do move out. The point is to see what he does and go from there.
As you are at a point where
As you are at a point where you are considering divorce, maybe its worth saying 1 month or whatever you decide and say I want him to leave or I will/dh will, this man needs some impetus to pull his socks up, your Dh is giving him an easy ride, why would he want to make any effort, no doubt he dos'nt contribute with chores either? Its your home too and you have a say.
I would go as far as telling
I would go as far as telling your DH that you want out of your marriage if this continues. That living like you are with him there is deal breaker for you. That he has to get on board with getting SS out asap. Try suggesting that you give SS 30 days to find a job. Maybe offer to pay the deposit and first months rent on a place for him and check out goodwill/craigslist for some cheap furniture.
Give him the tools and then let him sink or swim. He is an adult and does have to get it. You have dealt with this for far to long and your H is just enabling his behavior. You have to put an end date on this now.
I DON'T know if I am ready to
I DON'T know if I am ready to move out over this. Money is tight with 2 kids in college. And I have a real fear that SS is unemployable. Terrible credit score, past arrests, hasn't worked for years, no marketable skills.
I just feel boxed in. I love my husband and until this kid moved in, everything was fine. I'm 61 and not keen on starting over.
Wow, I wish I had the luxury
Wow, I wish I had the luxury of extended vacations but I have to get up and go to work full time every day. I have 3 weeks vacation a year, and already used half.
DH is pretty good at taking care of things, don't know there would be big panic or helplessness if I left. And SS stays in his room with door closed 99% of the time, so you almost don't know he's here. Except mealtime of course!
I guess I'm not as tough as
I guess I'm not as tough as the others posting here. If he was medically discharged from the army, you might want to help him get started on applying for disability based on mental illness. It's a long process and he will need a lot of help with it, but eventually, when he gets it, it should be enough to cover housing and health. I would try to get him hooked up with a psychiatrist rather than a therapist, because I imagine that he could use some medication, and, in fact, might have to be on medication in order to qualify. I would also get copies of his army records. This may be more than you want to do, but it is an effort to get him well and self sufficient. Mentally ill people need help their whole lives and he may be turning to his dad as his last resort. Give him this kind of chance and he may flourish.
We have seen his Army records
We have seen his Army records and the diagnoses are all over the place. Depression, bipolar, schitzophrenic, psychotic, and malingering. He can't be all of those, he's not that ill. Every Army dr had a different opinion. He's on anti-depression meds he gets from a public mental health service, but they keep switching him to different psychiatrists and then he doesn't go to appts except to refill rx. When I ask DH when SS is going to dr next, he always says I don't know. When I ask SS, he is vague--doesn' remember, hasn't made appt, but will, etc. We can't force him to go, and DH becomes very angry with me if I suggest ultimatums.
I know there is no easy way out.
Thanks for the suggestion about disability. I will look into that.
Overall, DH seems thrilled to
Overall, DH seems thrilled to have SS here after being ignored for years. He is becoming frustrated at SS's saying he's too sick or tired or back hurts or whatever and can't go to work. I can see that he's not disappointed enough to ask him to leave. He loves having him here so they can "work on" their relationship, although I never see or hear anything other than the typical shallow chit chat you see between men.
Thanks for the feedback. You are so right
Usually, as long as insurance
Usually, as long as insurance is on the vehicle by the owner, anyone can occasionally drive the vehicle with the owner's permission and that driver is covered. You can doublecheck with your agent but I know in my state that is a fact.
Given this history of mental illness, it's a lot harder to give advice. No doubt this person has problems to be in a situation of being adopted at age 8, no telling what kind of family loss he suffered in early years, then he got adopted, then that family split up and by moving away he basically lost his father.
You might consider talking to a mental health professional to see what, if any, kind of treatment would actually benefit SS. I would think mental illness would require some kind of outside intervention, that the person might not be able to find it within themselves to go after the help they need.
Separation, as already mentioned, might be a good answer for you but just make sure it works in your state. In my state there is no such thing as legal separation. Income and assets could be split but as for liability and obligation, that would be difficult to split.
It would be difficult to enjoy being at home with this hanging over your head but your DH sounds like a decent person who is trying to do the right thing. I do know it is quite terrifying to feel that someone you love might kill himself. At some point your husband has to recognize that this is no way to live, for his son, for himself, for his wife, for the other two kids, and take real steps to help the son get well. Or at least get better.
This sounds more like a case
This sounds more like a case of mental health issues than anything. DH needs to take SS to a DR. ASAP. He may have PSTD or severe depression. If he does have either, there is nothing your DH can do to "change' his behaviour. If this can be either diagnosed or ruled out then a plan can be put in place. I hope DH looks into this right away and maybe you can have your home back sooner rather than later. Wish I had better advice but this is my take on it.
You mention being age 61 as a
You mention being age 61 as a reason for not wanting to do anything too drastic at your age. But by the same token, if you let things drift, you will see an increasingly helpless old age with this guy in the property battening off or neglecting, or worse, emotionally abusing you. Precisely because of your mature age, it is time to act not just to react -- before it is too late and you are trapped with the guy as you become increasingly disabled yourself.