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J. Austen's picture

We have SD 16 50% of the time, which means Wednesdays and Thursdays and every other weekend (Friday-Sunday). BM does not live in SD's school district, so she has asked us if SD can "occasionally" take the bus home from school to our house and she would pick her up from our house. Well, it has turned into every single school day that BM is supposed to pick SD up, SD takes the bus to our house, comes into our house, hangs out for a few hours, etc. My husband is usually traveling for work, so he doesn't have to deal with it, I am the one at home. This bothers me because they are BM's days, these days are HER responsibility! I feel like she is taking advantage of us. It is more conveneient for her to pick her daughter up from our house than to drive in the traffic and get her from school. SD ends up "hanging out" at our house for a few hours every single day after school. I told my husband that this arrangement needs to end and BM needs to find another plan on days she can't get her daughter from school on time. He is willing to talk to his ex (who is horrible to him, tried to keep him from having any custody at all when they divorced 15 years ago) but he feels like he is essentially saying that his daughter isn't allowed at our house on days that aren't ours. I don't want to be the "evil" stepmom, but I see this as a boundary issue and his exwife taking advantage of us uneccessarily. Thoughts?

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skatermom's picture

I'm really curious about what other responses are going to be with this post. We have the exact same schedule with my SDs and are in the school district and on the bus line. We paid a lot of money to get this house and make sure the arrangement was what we wanted.

Meanwhile BM decided to move 40 minutes away from their school and accept a job 30 more minutes from their school in the opposite direction! She also has asked for similar favors, because she is so horrible, I said absolutely NOT as well.

I know if we open that door for after school, it's going to be, "I'll pick them up at 6, I have to work late", I'll pick them up at 7, why don't you just keep them overnight and so on...."

J. Austen's picture

exactly, we "opened that door" and she has taken full advantage. I think she's shirking her responsibilities. We help out when we can and she has helped us out, but this has become every single day...

Coco72's picture

I have learned in the short time we have been doing this, that any deviation in the CO causes problems. If we give an inch, BM takes a mile, or two. And it is NEVER reciprocated, ever.

She has been late, needed to drop him off early, change days, etc. One time my FH got out of work late, and he texted her telling her that he was going to be late, and even offered to pick him up at the convenience store across from her house, instead of the half-way point, and she threw a fit, told him that he was forfeiting his visitation time, and she would make sure SS10 and the judge knew.

I say she needs to make other arrangements, that's just my opinion though.

HogwartsIsHome's picture

I'm with you. It is a boundary issue and she needs to sort out alternative arrangements for her days.

If your husband was there too I could partially understand it but he's not so she needs to sort out alternatives.

secret's picture

Occasionally doesn't mean every Monday/Tuesday.

Does SD need supervision at 16 years old?

Is there any reason why the 16 year old can't get to her mom's house on her own?

Tell your DH he isn't even there when SD is there, and that YOU enjoy YOUR time without having her around, you'd appreciate if he could enforce it.

J. Austen's picture

Thank you for your support. To answer your questions, no the 16 year old does not need supervision, but she does not have a car (that's another story...eyeroll...) so taking the bus to our house is the simplest form of transportation. It's all about convenience for the BM.

queensway's picture

This would never work for me. This has nothing to do with SD but everything to do with BM. I 100% agree with you. And you are not the evil stepmom. BM is taking advantage of you.

J. Austen's picture

Thank you. I was feeling cold-hearted about it, but I feel very taken advantage of.

ESMOD's picture

In short, is BM taking advantage of the fact that this is more convenient for her? Yes.

Does that mean you shouldn't allow it and insist that DH set a boundary with his EX?... not necessarily under certain circumstances.

Here are the circumstances in which I would allow this to happen... basically in a nutshell, it would have to be "no skin of my nose".

So.. is the 16 year old self sufficient? Can she be at your home with zero supervision or in fact be totally alone in the house without an adult present? Is she respectful to you. If the answer is yes, I might try to separate my aggravation with BM taking the easy way out from the fact that this in fact isn't causing me any grief and in fact may be something that is better for the SD. Is this is something that in the end is benefiting the child by not having to sit at school or do other transportation arrangements that would be a hassle for her (girl not ex).

In other words..if the girl doesn't need "watching" then you aren't watching her... she is merely in the home... maybe at the same time you are. She is your husband's daughter and ostensibly you are ok in each other's presence. She considers this also her home since it's her dad's home. You don't need to adjust your schedule at all for this.

If the girl is a problem, doesn't listen, creates messes and is rude, you have a right to tell your husband that you don't want the responsibility of watching her while he isn't there..so on these days.. if he wants her there.. he can be there too.

J. Austen's picture

I appreciate your perspective. As can go with 16 year old girls, I never know which SD is going to walk through the front door and I am on guard. There has definitely been drama, rudeness, messiness, taking zero responsibilites, and acting like a houseguest on those days. It really turns into a headache for me. I prefer to deal with these things as little as possible. DH is not home during this, which adds to my annyance. Thankfully, he does understand where I am coming from. He's just not sure how to approach it with his "lovely" ex wife.

ESMOD's picture

I think that the way to handle it is to tell his ex that this arrangement just isn't working for his household and that she needs to figure out a different solution.

If she presses, he can say that since he can't guarantee someone will be in the house, he isn't comfortable with her being unsupervised. She can pish posh that all she wants, but that is a valid reason. unsupervised teens may get into peril.

skatermom's picture

I'm totally with you J. Austen!! BM here takes advantage at every turn and DH just lets is happen. Read my post about the 6am drop off!

bananaseedo's picture

I was wondering what ever happened with that? Did you guys come to an agreement?

Willow2010's picture

Ugh ugh ugh! This is where step life really sucks!! No one wins here.

As a SM …. I would be out of my mind if SS was at the house every day that was not “ours”. And I would feel exactly like you do. As a SM, you will look like a butt if you say anything.

As a bio parent…I would not tell my kid they could not come to my house just because it was not “my” day. So bio parent looks like a butt if they say anything.

No win situation. Except for BM!

J. Austen's picture

Exactly, she "wins" because she's the innocent victim that needs us to "help out"...and i'm the jerk who doesn't want to help. I'm OK with "losing" here...I want my non-stepmom days to be left that way, for my mental health.

bananaseedo's picture

Then you SAY THAT to your dh- and bm will have to figure it out- why is he ok making things easier for her? And making it easier for HIM by not confronting her but harder for YOU because he should KNOW we love and appreciated and need our skid free days. We aren't their parents that want them around all the time, he's not even there.

WHo cares how you come off? We stepmoms come off as evil aholes anyways to everyone always and forever...so at least retain your peace in sanity while being the bad guy.

Why is it that us stepmoms are expected to bend so everyone else is happy/not inconvenienced.

EFf that.

bananaseedo's picture

It's everyone's prerogative to change their mind. She didn't sign a contract. It doesn't matter what her reasons are. She can agree and then say it's not working anymore.

BM will have to be responsible for HER DAYS Smile

skatermom's picture

No, there shouldn't even be a schedule. It should be allowed if BM is traveling for work, is injured or sick or some other unforeseeable circumstance, not every day so that she doesn't have to deal with it.

I also have a 16 year old, thankfully my ex and I are both on the school bus line so we don't have this problem. See, I saw this happening and made arrangements so that I was self sufficient and didn't have to ask my ex for help

J. Austen's picture

Agreed, no schedule...there is a schedule in the custody agreement that she put us through hell and back to get. If she needs help, we do step in and help out, but this is not help, this is taking advantage. the line has been crossed.

J. Austen's picture

Thankfully my husband is going to let her know that this isn't working for us and she needs to figure something else out. I don't see this as "backing out" of an agreement. BM made it sound one way and it is a completely different situation that we would have never agreed to in the first place.

skatermom's picture

At 16, the priority should be for her to get her license and a car so she can drive herself around. This is a problem that can easily be solved that way. My Skids are 12 and 10, I have a long way to go yet

J. Austen's picture

I agree, she should have her license by now...again, BM is obstructing that possibility because she's not ready for her 16 year old to drive. As far as a car goes, we are willing to put several thousand towards a car and match whatever SD saves and put towards a car (could buy a nice used car)...However, BM wants her daughter to have a car no older than 2 years, still under warranty, yet pay absolutely nothing towards it. SD has yet to save one cent from her job that we had to force her to get (BM thought it was too hard for SD16 to have a job and work one to two days a week on weekends). We aren't working with a reasonable person here.

skatermom's picture

Well there you go then!! She can't do her part in helping SD16 get her license and car, but wants more more more from you guys. Having SD16 get a car, is her way out of this, but yet won't do it.

I'm driving a 14 year old mini-van and I'm 49 years old!! A 16 year old needs a car no more than 2 years old?? Are you kidding me?? For this reason alone, I would stop letting her come to your house on BMs days.

Dovina's picture

This is not backing out of an agreement so don't beat yourself up on this. You have every right to reassess a situation and decide this is not working for you. Besides your DH isn't even home when this happens, this isn't your responsibility.

J. Austen's picture

Thank you, I needed this clarity. Things get so muddy sometimes as a stepmom.

lieutenant_dad's picture

"BM, it appears it is difficult for you to get SD from school during the week. How about we change the schedule to her living with us full time and living EOWE with you? You'll need to pay CS, of course, but it would be more consistent for SD. She won't have to stop doing homework midway through, she'll have a routine, and you won't have to worry about school. Otherwise, you need to pick her up from school. I'm willing to let her stay one extra afternoon per week to help you out, but you need to figure out the other days. Which option do you prefer?"

bananaseedo's picture

Gold..I would leave out the extra day once a week. I would leave it as 'on ocassion means once a month or something' or during extenuating circumstances.

On the car-meh- dont' be in a rush, that's THOUSANDS of $ in insurance for 2 years of teen driving. My oldest got permit close to 17 and DL at 18, the youngest is doing the same, as is SD. Less risk, less money, less chances of accidents/cost, getting in trouble, etc.

I don't know why parents here want to rush that so much given the death statistics AND financial costs of insurance in those years.

J. Austen's picture

Good point about the driving, it is scary to see the statistics. SD just lost a classmate to a car wreck, he pulled out on a car and the car t-boned him. So sad.

bananaseedo's picture

It's no joke- we didn't discourage our kids from getting it early-none of them wanted to- and I've heard them discuss being afraid.

Look, driving in my city is no joke-I see wrecks 2-3 a week, at that age and lack of practice/reflexes I prefer them to wait until older. It's just too dangerous.

https://www.teendriversource.org/stats/support_teens/detail/57

If she lost a classmate (as my kids have all also) then it's no wonder she or bm isn't rushed.

J. Austen's picture

Good for your SO for sticking to the Custody Agreement. I think mine feels guilty for some reason, but why do I have to pay the price for his guilt?
Thankfully he understands my issue with the situation. He just needs to man up and tell his ex that we are not doing this anymore!

Stepmomming is just not for the faint of heart.

skatermom's picture

Not all BMs are worthless and lazy. I am a BM and a SM. I have 50/50 no CS and am completely self-sufficient.

Sweet T's picture

This is a pickle. I see both sides.

This is also why I have to wonder how does someone move away and think they can have 50/50. She was not thinking of her kitchen she did that.

momof3smof2's picture

Here's the thing, there aren't a lot (any?) Of options for a 16 year old after school. Dad has what he wants - his daughter attending the school in his district.

My husband has the same. Part of that, for us, is (was) providing somewhere for the kids after school. Because they need somewhere to go, and there was very minimal options for his ex to send her.

This meant I, as a stay at home mom, had his kids in the house for a few hours every day. That was part of this life I choose, imo.

J. Austen's picture

The option for my SD's mom is to let SD16 wait after school for about 30 minutes while her mother drives to pick her up from school like she has been doing for the past 16 years. If has to be an extended wait, take the bus to her maternal grandparents house, which is in the same school district.

BM has options, our house just happens to be the most convenient for her, keeps her out of traffic. If she had been half-way decent for the last 8 1/2 years that I have been her daughter's stepmom, maybe it wouldn't bother me so much. There is a lot of history there.

WTF...REALLY's picture

BM and hubby use to do this to me. An inch became a mile so fast it made my head spin.

You are definitely being taken for granted and advantage of. It is your home and you’re allowed to feel safe in it and not on guard on the days that she should be with her mother.

I’d stop this arrangement ASAP.

J. Austen's picture

That's the thing, we as stepmoms tend to get overlooked, put in the middle, and get taken advantage of. I am not OK with that. I hate the cop-out phrase, "This is what you signed up for." No I did not. That phrase is so belittling and completely ignores that dynamics in families change all the time and there is no way to predict that. I did not sign up to be someone's nanny and I did not sign up for my home to be a hangout for a kid whose mom needs to get her act together. Sorry, rant.

pixielady's picture

You are exactly right. It is belittling and almost implies that we “get what we deserve” by daring to be with someone with children and by actually having needs ourselves. Stop this situation immediately and don’t do bm any more favors. If anyone disapproves then tell them they are welcome to help bm out.

notasm3's picture

Both of DH's sons turned into monsters by the time they were teens so BM was more than happy to send them to DH (long before I met him). The older one (the criminal gang member) ran out of state after he was involved in murder and was underground for many years before he died. The younger one (by a decade) is the infamous SS32 that I refer to here. He spent the last 3 1/2 years of his minority in juvie for a crime that no one will talk about.

DH lived across the street from my parents during this time, but I did not know him. I tell him often that's a good thing as I would NEVER had anything to do with him when he had those two worthless POS sons as minors.

I bitch about BM and some of the crap she has pulled, but to be honest she was not a horrible parent. Neither was DH. I don't think either of them deserved to have the horrid sons that they produced. I've seen other parents have one child that ended up being horrible when their others were wonderful. DH and BM just "lucked out" and had two who were worthless.

Jlbfinch's picture

I’ve dealt with this for years. Despite the fact that it’s supposed to be 50/50 our home has always been the after school house Mon-Fri. We’re technically not supposed to see the kids at all on Mondays and Tuesdays going by the custody agreement but that’s never been the case. My step sons are 16 and 9. I go through patches of annoyance here and there bc the kids eat a ton of food after school and we shouldn’t have to budget for feeding the kids on BM’s “time.” However, I know that’s petty and not how my DH sees it (I wouldn’t either if they were my bios) so I keep it to myself. It’s probably easier for me bc I’ve known since day 1 that my husband prefers the kids to be at his home as often as possible, them coming home on the bus isn’t a favor BM asked of us on occasion and now she takes advantage of. I do remember that BM had a relationship fall apart at least in part bc the guy couldn’t deal with SS16 coming in and out of the house on DH’s custody days. This is when we all lived in the same neighborhood. SS freely went back and forth between his two houses and the boyfriend hated it and wanted to take SS’s house key away. BM asked us to tell SS not to go over to their house on our days when she was going to be at work and DH suggested that maybe the boyfriend should be put out of the house rather than SS. She dropped the matter and they ended up splitting up but that was a lot of drama for a while.