Sd had an asthma attack
Sd has been taking her allergy meds but she is still having some reaction to bs dog, Bear. Dh took her to the doc on Friday and she has bronchitis. Her doc switched her allergy meds and last night she had an asthma attack. Her inhaler didn't do much so dh called 911. She was released early this morning so she is still asleep. Dh is pissed and blaming Bear over this. I told him she could just be sick and leave Bear out of this. I'm making an appointment with an allergist first thing Monday. I will not get rid of Bear, she can go live with her mother first. Ds is more important to me!!
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If I remember right her son
If I remember right her son had gone through abuse and it's his therapy dog.
You need a nebulizer. SD's Dr
You need a nebulizer. SD's Dr can prescribe one, that way she has a back up to the rescue inhaler. Also the allergy med switch could have something to do with the asthma attack.
That is what I thought. I
That is what I thought. I keep telling dh it may not have anything to do with Bear. He has gone into over protective mode for no reason. He is slamming things around and saying humans before animals. I sent bs upstairs to watch movies so he doesn't have to deal with this.
Go into slamming mode
Go into slamming mode yourself and say Blood before Steps. He can get his own place for him and his kid to live.
Also check with your vet or
Also check with your vet or groomer to see what they might be able to suggest to help.
Good idea!
Good idea!
He thinks the dog is making
He thinks the dog is making her sick because she is allergic to pet dander. Dh had his visits with sd at his parents house when we moved in together since I refused to get rid of ds dog, Bear. Ds has suffered greatly in his life and I can't take his dog and best friend from him. Bear is his emotional therapy dog but not officially trained or anything. Bm moved with her husband and sd stayed here and agreed to take her allergy meds. I give them to her with breakfast and watch her take them to be sure she is. I just hate that everytime she gets a cold dh is going to blame Bear.
Please educate yourself about
Please educate yourself about what physically happens in the body when someone has an asthma attack. Getting medical attention asap for someone who is either struggling to breath or cannot breath is not panicky, it is life saving.
Thank you. The ambulance can
Thank you. The ambulance can start providing treatment upon arrival. Dad couldn't do that while driving.
The amount of waiting. In my
The amount of waiting. In my town, it takes 5-10 minutes for an ambulance. Whereas it takes 20-25 to drive to the hospital. That 10-15 minutes could mean a person's life during an asthma attack, which I'm sure you know.
How long to get to the
How long to get to the hospital vs how long before the ambulance arrives. That is the key difference. Where I currently live it takes 4 minutes to get to an ER, 8 if we go to our regular hospital/clinic. We could drive to the ER faster ourselves than it would take for an ambulance to arrive. My MIL's house takes approximately 10 minutes for an ambulance (I know this for sure since SIL has had multiple 911 calls due to breathing issues at that location.) From MIL's house it is 25 minutes to the nearest hospital. That's 15 extra minutes of no treatment if SIL decides to have someone else take her to the ER. 911 is a better call at that point.
I live about 15 minutes away
I live about 15 minutes away from the nearest hospital. That's assume no traffic or red lights.
There is a fire station 2 blocks from my house. If I call 911, a firetruck would get here in less than 3 minutes. If someone in my home were having an asthma attack, you better believe I'm dialing 911.
Ambulances have sirens and
Ambulances have sirens and can go through red lights and also, where safe travel faster than a car legally can. The drivers are trained to do that, so are less likely to crash than a regular driver (dad) might if they choose to break the speed limit. Ambulances also do not always wait at the hospital, often when not responding to a call they will be placed at various points over the area they cover, so an operator can send the nearest ambulance which will not necessarily have to travel as far. The operator on the line will be able to give advise to the caller as to what to do until the ambulance arrives to help the patient. When the ambulance arrives they will be able to immediately begin life saving treatment. All in all the effect is that the patient will receive treatment quicker and safer than otherwise possible. I am saddened that I have to explain this to an adult, but hopeful that it will help you to feel better about calling an ambulance for someone who needs it in the future. If in doubt call, you are not (I assume) a medical professional so sure sometimes you might make the wrong call but it is better safe than sorry. If someone's life is not in immedate danger and they can be moved without risking further injury and you have access to a car then by all means drive them, but if in doubt call.
My lor. How petty to argue
My lor. How petty to argue this. Both adults felt it was needed. The child was srtuggling to breathe. SMDH.
NVM
NVM
I think I have seen you say
I think I have seen you say elsewhere that you are a physician. If so I hope you remember from your training that asthma can be deadly if an attack is not quickly dealt with. I hope you are not suggesting that having someone who cannot breath on your hands is not a good enough reason to get medical help asap.
I realize if you work in er you must have some stories to tell but sometimes calling 911 is absolutely the right thing to do and other times it is better safe than sorry when non medical professionals have to make a judgement call.
It was implied. Many people
It was implied. Many people seem to misinterpret your posts. Maybe you should try rereading them before posting or thinking more carefully about the words you use. When you reply to a post criticizing someone for calling an ambulance with a host of stories about people miss using emergency medical care it gives the impression that you agree with the poster you are replying to and that you feel that calling an ambulance in this case was unnecessary and panicky. If you are going to promote your medical background on here please please be extra careful with what you say in medically related posts, even by implication.
We live in the boonies and sd
We live in the boonies and sd was struggling to breathe. I would have called 911 if it were my son so I can't really blame him there.
My Dad had asthma and calling
My Dad had asthma and calling 911 is life saving, not panicking.
When you can't breath, you die. Paramedics have drugs and the knowledge, they can get those airways open before you get brain damage.
Stop calling the dog an
Stop calling the dog an emotional therapy dog if he's not trained and registered. That's so wrong. This is why people with actual therapy and service dogs have issues in public. The dog is a pet.
He is more than a pet to my
He is more than a pet to my son. Bear is everything to my son a trained dog is he just hasn't had the training. He calms my son, he helps him in ways I never thought possible. Bear is my sons best friend. You don't have to agree or understand it but Bear is more than a pet to him.
I understand he's more than a
I understand he's more than a pet to him. But if the dog isn't a trained therapy dog, describing them as such is wrong. It causes many problems for those that have trained service animals. You're taking advantage of a term for your benefit.
The therapist gave the dog to
The therapist gave the dog to BS as part of the child's therapy. While not a trained and registered "service animal" I believe the dog can be certified as an Emotional Support Animal, which does not require any special training - only that a licensed therapist/psychiatrist determines the animal to be necessary for the mental health of the patient.
Totally agree. Not certified
Totally agree. Not certified = pet.
You should tell all the
You should tell all the wounded warriors who benefit from ESA's that unless their 'pet' is certified, it has no therapeutic value. I have a feeling they'd disagree.
Yep.
Yep.
I got this information from a
I got this information from a medical site:
Causes of acute bronchitis. Acute bronchitis is normally caused by viruses, typically those that also cause colds and flu. It can also be caused by bacterial infection and exposure to substances that irritate the lungs, such as tobacco smoke, dust, fumes, vapors and air pollution.
Since most dust is from dander, it is possible that the bronchitis attack could have been linked to the dog allergy.
She lives here now. Bm moved
She lives here now. Bm moved and no dh hasn't told her.
He is telling her today.
He is telling her today.
You are damned lucky she is
You are damned lucky she is ok. What if her condition worsened and BM didn't know? Omg I would lose my sh+t.
Me? No. I have zero custody
Me? No. I have zero custody or responsibility to contact bm. That is up to dh to do and he did.
Your son is no more important
Your son is no more important to you than DH's daughter is to him. He may give you the same response. Bear, your son and you can go live _____ before he gets rid of his daughter, she is important to him than your son.
You know, that really works both ways. He wants to be involved daily and parent his daughter. You want to allow your son to keep the dog which is necessary to son's mental well being (per what you've previously stated). The 'solution' may have to be separate houses.
And that negates what I said
And that negates what I said how?
I see. OP , her kid (who is
I see. OP , her kid (who is not DH's bio kid), are to be the guy's sole priority. To h*ll with the guy's own daughter? Nice.
Husband's view is to get rid
Husband's view is to get rid of the dog because he is the problem
Husband is prioritizing a
Husband is prioritizing a human over an animal.
However, I think with some work and cooperation of all parties it could be workable.
The girl is already taking medication that if I remember correctly she preferred to not take because of the way it made her feel. It looks like that may/may not be enough and it is possible that exposure to the dog did contribute partially to this episode.
That being said, the dog is very important to the boy. While not a service animal, the kid certainly has a greater attachment to the dog than is typical due to his history.
Is there any way that you can limit the dog's access to certain areas of the home? Rearange bedrooms? Limit the dog to the basement areas.. or non-communal areas. Could he be kept outside more? There are also lycra type bodysuits that dogs can wear that help with shedding.
Maybe an air filter system and thorough daily cleaning (DH and OP can share that responsibility since it is benefiting both their children).
'Husband is prioritizing a
'Husband is prioritizing a human over an animal.'
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Or you could say husband is prioritizing his daughter over her son...
Since the dog may be a
Since the dog may be a serious health risk to his daughter.. I might think that the relative needs of the two kids tips in favor of the girl's allergies/asthma.
However, I do think that both parents could possibly try to do things to mitigate the risks. Alternatively, dad needs to take his daughter and go. It may not be possible for these households to co-exist.
Or sell this house and buy a duplex or a home with a MIL suite that can be separate from the rest of the house.
Agreed
Agreed
Disagreed. Considering the
Disagreed. Considering the abuse background of boy one can argue that both are life or death situations. Always remember that one of the problems with emotions or physical abuse is suicide. I'd move out before giving up an emotional support animal given to my kid at the advice of his therapist. Asthma can be medicated and dealt with proper planning, I know many who have pets that they are allergic to. Depression and mental health are complicated beast, if the dog helps with that then he stays.
How his child ended up in
How his child ended up in their home doesn't matter.
In this situation both parents have an obligation to their child's health needs first. The only option that ensures the needs of each kid are meet, is for the couple to live apart.
I have to put my son first.
I have to put my son first. What if we rehome Bear and 2 months later she decides to live with her mom? I refuse to cause any more emotional damage to my son. I refuse. Dh can do what he feels is best.
I mistook this: ". Dh had his
I mistook this:
". Dh had his visits with sd at his parents house when we moved in together since I refused to get rid of ds dog, Bear."
to mean "we" meaning son, OP and Bear moved in together with the DH. I mistook it wrong. It's OP's home and no, of course she isn't going to move out. Why would she? But with the husband in the home tossing a hissy and throwing things around this morning, his buns would be asked to leave. Now. He has a place to go (his mother's) and he doesn't need to be having his daughter who is having medical issues this weekend in the home to begin with. They need to find out what is actually going on with SD's condition, what, if any, her true allergies are and what, if anything can be done before trying to bring the daughter back into OP's home.
OP's son likely is ready to take his dog and go hid in the basement just to escape the chaos.
DH is pissed and blaming the
DH is pissed and blaming the dog because the allergy meds didn't work as well as they were supposed to? What part of his daughter having an allergy to the animal did he miss? Or was it the part where allergy medicine is not magic and doesn't work 100% of the time. Or the part where there's a f*cking epidemic going around? Sh*t in my house alone we've been sick with one thing or another since New Year's with chest colds. DH and I have been taking turns sleeping in the recliners holding BS2 and BS4 because they keep twisting around on the elevated mattresses and it's the only way for them to sleep through the night.
If the allergy meds are truly not working, then for SD's health and safety she needs to either live with her mother in the other state, or she and DH need to live separately from you, BS, and Bear. But I would wait and see what the allergist says on Monday.
At what point did I imply
At what point did I imply that DAD wasn't going to the allergist? I did assume that the couple would talk about what the allergist says, maybe even have libbie tag along, since things like this usually involve ALL adults in the home. Good lord, HRNYC, you need to chill a little. If you'd fully read the post you'd see i actually agree with your stance on sending the SD to mom's house.
Why do you think I don't care
Why do you think I don't care about sds health? I care very much. I want her to be okay more than anything so that Bear and her can live in harmony.
A friend of mine just lost
A friend of mine just lost her daughter to an asthma attack. Hospitalized for days and she never came home. You're being selfish with this girl's health. I agree with your husband. Human's before animals.
She just said that the dog
She just said that the dog isn't trained or registered as an emotional support animal, therefore is not a therapy dog. It's selfish to put a dog ahead of a person's life. He should kick his daughter out of his house in favor of an animal? Nope. Rehome the pet. Cause it's a pet, not a therapy dog.
This dog means the world to
This dog means the world to my son and I believe if we took Bear away he would be deeply damaged and hurt. Bear is his only friend and helps him. He may not be an official therapy dog but he is my sons therapy dog. Removing bear is not an option. Period.
It's not a therapy dog. It's
It's not a therapy dog. It's wrong if you to continue using that phrasing when there's no training. Your son may get great support from the dog, but that doesn't make it a service animal, FFS. It's wrong to claim a dog is a support animal when it hasn't been trained as such. It's a pet. You're putting your son's EMOTIONAL needs over his daughter's LIFE.
Your son will not DIE if he
Your son will not DIE if he doesn't have Bear. An asthma attack can kill your SD.
Emotional support animals
Emotional support animals don't require training. The dog was given or referred by a therapist. Unless we know the full extend of OP BS abuse we honestly can't say whether this is a life or death situation.
It's definitely not "just
It's definitely not "just paperwork." How insulting to those that work to train animals for this purpose. I never said he wasn't a crap dad, that doesn't make putting her son's feefees over his daughter's life is right.
If i got him the training
If i got him the training would that change your tune? Bear helps him now without the training.
Yes. It would. I HATE when
Yes. It would. I HATE when people describe pets as therapy dogs. You're telling an outright lie when you say that. If the dog isn't trained and registered, it's not an emotional support animal. People want to take their pets into stores with them, so they buy a fake vest and call it a service dog. Which makes it more difficult for those with actual service dogs. If it's that important, put in the extra effort to have the dog trained and certified. If it's not, then it's not a support animal.
As for your cavalier attitude about asthma, I won't ever change my tune about that. I just attended a funeral for a 14 year old that DIED from an asthma attack. You need to consider that this girl's LIFE may be in danger and do what you can to protect her, too. If that's making the decision to love apart from your DH without his imput, do it. If that's allowing the dog/your son to stay with someone else for a little bit, do it. This girl deserves her LIFE at lease as much as your son deserves the dog.
I believe OP moved her son,
I believe OP moved her son, dog and herself into DH's home?
Dh moved into MY HOUSE.
Dh moved into MY HOUSE.
Ok. Then send DH and his
Ok. Then send DH and his daughter to Grandma's.
Dh moved into MY HOUSE.
Dh moved into MY HOUSE.
No, it's OP's home. DH moved
No, it's OP's home. DH moved in with her.
I didn't lie. I said Bear is
I didn't lie. I said Bear is his therapy dog WHICH HE IS! I also explained that he had no training but that doesn't mean my son doesn't get the same help from him. I was very clear and upfront about that. We don't take Bear out in public with a vest on. You are taking your feelings on what others do and transferring it on us. We don't even know if her attack was from allergies.
You can keep justifying it by
You can keep justifying it by saying that your son needs the pet and the pet provides the same comfort. It's still not a therapy dog. It's not a service dog. It's a pet. You're telling a lie because for an animal to be called a service dog, it must have the training.
I didn't realize wording is
I didn't realize wording is so important when I explained he wasn't a trained therapy dog already. How about if I say, Bear, my sons dog is a good source of therapy for him. Will that make you happy? I can't believe you are stuck on this.
Actually, that's not
Actually, that's not completely true.
https://www.nsarco.com/service-animal-info.html
I'm confused. What's not
I'm confused.
What's not true? The link is about how to get a service dog, not what a service dog is? Am I missing something?
https://www.nsarco.com/servic
https://www.nsarco.com/service-definitions.html#esa
This is the specific page that describes ESA, which is what I believe Bear to be based on the fact that the therapist made him part of BS's therapy. The first page only refers to Service Animals, which is a different title entirely.
Thank you. I was going to
Thank you. I was going to reference the differing service animals page but, didn't get a chance to elaborate. I believe that ESA are included under the 'service animal' heading.
Thank You! My son had a
Thank You!
My son had a therapy dog not a service dog. It was recommended by his doctor to get a pet to help comfort him. Because of my son's communication and language disorder/disability, he was a loner, lost inside of himself when he was little. The dog was a friend and companion that brought him out of his shell. The dog was not trained as a service dog like a seeing-eye-dog or a hearing-ear dog or a dog that helped pick up items for someone who was physically disabled.
The part where this dog is
The part where this dog is not a service animal. Sorry, I should have elaborated further. I sometimes forget how literal this site (rather members of) demands us to be.
Thanks, I did surf the site
Thanks, I did surf the site but missed the page where it explained therapy animals as opposed to service.
I have a friend who wanted to
I have a friend who wanted to keep her dog in her apartment but they wouldn't allow it. So she registered him as a therapy dog to help with her PTSD and anxiety issues. According to her, it was not a difficult process and WAS just paperwork. I understand many therapy dogs go through rigorous training, but as in this case, not all do.
I don't think OP meant to minimize what trainer's and service dogs. I think you are taking it too personally.
Well, no. Not a fake or a
Well, no. Not a fake or a troll. Just a new member. So, I guess I'm not established enough to comment. But, if I can't comment, how do I become established? :?
And, I did just attend a funeral for a 14 year old girl that passed because of a severe asthma attack. I didn't even say where SD was 14, so just a coincidence I guess. But it was heartbreaking. So thanks for that dismissal.
Maybe you're just a testy old lady who doesn't like those that don't agree with her.
If the need is that
If the need is that important, put in the work to have the proper training and documentation. Because that's part of being a service dog owner. It's irresponsible and an outright lie to claim a dog is a service animal without training.
T2B87, just wanted to say
T2B87, just wanted to say that I completely agree with you.
Bear may be a perfect companion and great therapy for this boy but without training and certification he is just a very loyal loving PET.
She never claimed Bear was a
She never claimed Bear was a 'Service dog'.
Blah. Doesn't matter.
Blah. Doesn't matter.
Granny goose, i really
Granny goose, i really appricate your understanding. It is really hard to come here for support and be told I am wrong for putting ds first in my home.
Bear is a therapy animal for
Bear is a therapy animal for an abused child, BS. I do NOT agree that Bear should go and I think you are being very one-sided by suggesting it. I do agree that the SD should not stay in their home since the allergy mess were insufficient, but I think SD & DH should stay with her grandparents until arrangements for her transfer to BM can be made.
Allergies can directly and
Allergies can directly and indirectly cause bronchitis. If your sd doesn't have a bacteria/virus infection. Than the allergens is probably the direct cause.
It can also indirectly cause it by lowering the immune system because it is busy trying to "fight" the allergens.
Allergetic bronchitis could be a chronic disease. Which is a bit worrisome.
Your sd have asthma and her dad expose her to an allergen? Is the asthma thing a new development. That would be very understandable if it was a new development. I think common literature says it is best to not own pets if you are allergic and suffer from asthma attacks. But I may be wrong. Good that you are going to book the allergist appointment. I can tell that you do care about your sd. Guess the choice your household is going to have to make is between your sd physical health and your son mental health. I feel like if you send your sd away your husband may resent you Because he is still blaming bear. And will see it as you choosing a dog over his daughter.
Amen. Having pets isn't a
Amen. Having pets isn't a requirement for social life. My severely allergic nephew is college educated happily married professional with tons of friends and social life. He is also world travelled and has been all over the world. Him being allergic just means he can't have cats and dogs. SD could grow up just fine not owning pets.
Dh did take her but her mom
Dh did take her but her mom always insisted she be there and made it all about her worries and not sd needs. So the appointments were spent with bm over talking the dr and nothing getting resolved. Bm ran everything and when dh voiced a concern she talked over him and talked until the dr just agreed with her points.
Her mother didn't even care
Her mother didn't even care enough to say goodbye to her! Dh loves his dd and wants the best for her. We will figure this out for both kids.
Sure, but you can bet not
Sure, but you can bet not telling a parent that their kid is in er looks a lot worse in court than not saying bye. One is required by the court order, the other is just a bitch move.
Asthma is deadly. You should
Asthma is deadly. You should find somewhere else for the dog to stay for a week or two until the allergy test results are known. Then a more permanent decision can be made when everyone has the full facts. Until then, unless you want a dead kid in your house, send the dog to a friend/relative or kennel.
Do not play with fire.
The kid needs his dog just as
The kid needs his dog just as much as the daughter needs whatever for her needs. The daughter can be at grandma's home right now. Dad needs to go be with the girl though. Daughter being sick and having breathing issues is not the time for Dad to drop her off and go running home. He wanted this daughter with him. He got her. Now he needs to do right by her.
As I said above. Neither one of these children are more important than the other one. Both kids have real problems and needs.
The daughter needs to be able
The daughter needs to be able to breath, because otherwise she will die. Her needs are pretty serious. If the dog hair is causing her to have asthma attacks it is possible that she could die if she does not get attention quickly enough.
The boy will not die without his dog. He can go and visit the dog wherever the dog goes to stay. That way BOTH CHILDREN stay in their house with their parent. It is much less disruptive on everyone to move the dog for a short period of time.
I agree with you, however OP
I agree with you, however OP does not:
"This dog means the world to my son and I believe if we took Bear away he would be deeply damaged and hurt. Bear is his only friend and helps him. He may not be an official therapy dog but he is my sons therapy dog. Removing bear is not an option. Period."
I'd rather be sure the daughter survives the adults stand off and take her to Grandma's right now than fight with someone screaming "PERIOD" at me. This is one of those second marriages that has no chance of survival. The DH resents the dog and OP's son and OP resents the daughter and her allergies and breathing problems. The guy is smashing things around the house. Not exactly where I'd want my kid to be. What kind of environment is this for either kid?
I do. It's disgusting to me
I do. It's disgusting to me that people can be so cavalier about asthma. It can be deadly.
Given that SD was sent home
Given that SD was sent home and is sleeping per the OP, I assumed she was better. Since we wouldn't know any different without op telling us, I didn't dwell on it. Trying to make us all out to be heartless for not asking about a child we were told was sleeping is a d*ck move.
At this very moment it would
At this very moment it would be silly and dangerous to smack the daughter on a plane to BM.
Probably because she is still
Probably because she is still recovering from the attack. It's dangerous to fly if the chances of any sort of breathing issues are elevated so I would assume that the SD would need to stay with her grandparents (away from allergens) until she was cleared to fly by a doctor for safety reasons.
It's not the backstory, it's
It's not the backstory, it's the immediate needs and concerns. Time enough later to make arrangements for any flights. Yes, as said by Peri, air pressure.
DH and SD should move out. SD
DH and SD should move out. SD shouldn't have to struggle to breathe in her own home.
Sd is fine now. She is still
Sd is fine now. She is still sleeping but that is her normal on the weekends. She gets up around noon. I want sd to be as healthy as she can be which is why I am going to make an appointment to see an allergist. Dh will go with me and we will see what needs to be done. This may just be a cold. It may have nothing to do with Bear.
What if you find out it does
What if you find out it does have to do with the dog?
Then we will seek
Then we will seek professional help to minimize her reactions. We may have to keep Bear to certain spots of the house.
Excuse me but I do not hate
Excuse me but I do not hate my sd. Quit projecting your issues onto me.
You may not hate her... but
You may not hate her... but it seems like it would be common sense to have already made efforts to contain the dog to areas where she doesn't have to go. That is what she meant.. the fact that you aren't doing something helpful to try to mitigate the effects makes people understand where your DH may be coming from on this issue.
The girl compromised. She is taking meds she didn't want to have to take. Now it's your turn to compromise by keeping the dog away from common areas of the home and by everyone working to keep the home clean.
Alternatively, have you and DH thought about selling your house and buying a duplex or a home with an inlaw apt that could allow her to be with you but separated from the dog?
If were the grandmother, I
If were the grandmother, I would offer to get the two of them an apartment. If my son refused, I would allow the kid to move into my home.
Then I would rip my son a new one for picking his stepson over his own child.
Thank you granny goose! We
Thank you granny goose! We don't even know if it is allergies or a cold and I'm being called heartless and worse. I have to put ds first. I am trying to help dh and sd but my son and his needs come before them on this.
Can you not see that DH is
Can you not see that DH is just doing for his daughter what you are doing for your son?
He feels that he has to put his daughter first, her health is just as important to him as your sons is to you!
This is my house. Dh moved in
This is my house. Dh moved in with me. At no time did i put a gun to his head and demand he live here. The rest of your post is bullshit.
Did i delete a post? I went
Did i delete a post? I went to respond to it and it disappeared? I think it was from hrnyc or something like that. If i deleted it can you repost so I can answer it?
This would be such a
This would be such a different thread if the OP was mom to the child with breathing issues and the step child was the one with a dog.
I agree.
I agree.
No sh*t I've been thinking
No sh*t
I've been thinking the same thing from the beginning of this thread.
"This would be such a
"This would be such a different thread if the OP was mom to the child with breathing issues and the step child was the one with a dog."
Let the church say AMEN
People would have come up with ways to get rid of the dog.
The kid would have bee called a spoiled bitch, a coddled child.....
Yup. People would complain
Yup. People would complain how dad puts pets above his skids and spouse etc
I would have the same opinion
I would have the same opinion either way. Both children have needs that are opposed to each other. The attempted compromise appears to have failed (this could be a cold that has nothing to do with the dog or a reaction to the new allergy meds.) So for the health and safety of both kids something new has to be done which may be separate homes or allowing the girl to go live with her mom. If the OP had the child with the breathing issues I'd be suggesting that perhaps Dad's house would be better for her child if she wasn't willing to live separately from her DH.
The dog and the sd need to
The dog and the sd need to live separately asap. Possibly it will be temporary if an allergist can confirm that the dog is not the cause of the attacks. If it turns out that the dog is the cause of the attacks you and your husband would be extreamly negligent to continue letting the dog and the girl live in the same house. We can all have opinions about who needs to move (my vote is the dog), but ultimately it is up to your husband and you to reach a compromise. If you two cannot reach a compromise you are going to have either a very sick, possibly dead sd on your hands and/or divorce papers in your hands.
I'm making a list of things
I'm making a list of things we can do if it is allergies. First thing is to remove the carpet and change our air filiters. Anyone have experience that can help?
First thing is to separate
First thing is to separate the dog and the sd, one of them needs to be in a different house at least temporarily.
1)Allergist ASAP! Until the
1)Allergist ASAP!
Until the above happens...
a) Thorough cleaning of the entire house, paying specific attention to registers (if they exist), filters, carpets, and bedding. Hire a specialist in this kind of cleaning, if necessary.
b) Make sure SD's room is an animal free zone
c) Have dog professionally groomed, and ask the vet about topical treatments that aid in reducing shedding/allergies ON the pet. Yes, they do exist. Keep pet groomed regularly.
d) Make sure any vehicle the dog travels in, has been thoroughly cleaned as well. Moving forward, use one vehicle for dog, and one where dog hasn't been for SD.
e) Purchase whole house air filter, and purchase one for each of the kids rooms. Don't skimp, they can be pricey.
f) Consider having safe zones in the house where the dog doesn't spend time so that SD isn't coming in to constant contact with allergens.
Having it all ways will take extra time, but it can be done.
As an aside, it is possible that SD will slowly become less allergic as her body builds up a tolerance to this specific dog. It doesn't mean she's cured of her allergies, just that her body can adjust over time.
Good luck with this perplexing problem.
Having the ventilation shafts
Having the ventilation shafts cleaned is also important. My parents lost both their animals a while ago, have hardwood floors and just replaced all carpeting from a flood. They still have cat fur showing up on their bedding.
If you mean duct cleaning....
If you mean duct cleaning.... great idea!
Yes, duct cleaning, lol.
Yes, duct cleaning, lol. Apparently too many Star Wars marathons have seeped into my brain!
LOL. No, I hadn't even
LOL. No, I hadn't even thought about duct cleaning until you said something. Not all houses have duct work. Mine doesn't, so I neglected to mention it. Glad you added it.
Learn something new everyday!
Learn something new everyday! I thought all houses had ducts.
You need to be careful with
You need to be careful with air purifiers. Many produce ozone and that can trigger asthmatic reactions.
This sounds like a difficult
This sounds like a difficult no-win situation; either the boy is emotionally traumatised by losing his dog or the girl risks further health issues because of her allergy. Both parents are obviously going to put their own kids' needs first and that's perfectly natural. My bd had a dog from age 10 which was her best friend and helped her through some traumatic and horrible times during her adolescence. Although the dog wasn't officially a therapy dog, separating them wouldn't have been an option for my bd's mental health and I would never have even considered it. Luckily, when I met dh, there were no problems and when he moved in with his 3 boys, they all bonded with the dog too and were just as devastated when she passed away at 13 as me and my daughter were. If there had been an issue, rather than re-home my daughter's best friend and put her through more emotional torment, I would happily have lived in separate houses until the dog either died or left home with my bd, and sadly that may be the only option in this case.
Sounds like the best thing is to see what the doctors have to say, find out whether there is medication which will safely control her allergy and remove the risk of future asthma attacks and if they cannot guarantee this, maybe think about separate homes for the time being. Not ideal for you and your dh but at least you'd both be doing the best for your respective kids' wellbeing.
This is the only reply worth
This is the only reply worth reading on this thread
Adding to granny's wise words
Adding to granny's wise words we can't forget the OP BS is a child of abuse. This isn't and easy case of a boy bonded to his dog. There are some deep seeded issues that this kid has gone through mentally. If the dog helps with emotionally copping with that then the dog is necessary and more than just a pet.
This dog is very important to
This dog is very important to DS and is a friend etc that's no doubt is very important.
But I would not call him therapy dog. It's incorrect. My friend has therapy dog, trained and registered. She takes her to hospitals abd other facilities where people need it. It. It creates many confusions to people when non therapy dogs are being brought to places and refered to "therapy dogs" when they are pets.
It's like if I help my friends in hardships I'd be reffered to as "therapist". I am not
Saying all that perhaps SD needs different meds and needs to see a specialist
Granny you left out option 4-
Granny you left out option 4- husband and daughter can move out.
I'd move out with my kid if
I'd move out with my kid if that was my situation. If I was a dad I mean. If two households are too much, I'd file for divorce. In my
opinion it's no different when women are willing to sacrifice everything to keep a man. Here a guy is sacrificing his daughter to keep a woman. I am not saying get rid of a dog. Let mom, dog, and BS all stay. Dad and his kid move on. That's what I would do
I would have moved long ago.
I would have moved long ago. I find it amazing that this mani s putting his daughter at risk. At what point do you put on your big boy pants and make a decision that is in your child's best interest?
Absolutely. As a parent I'd
Absolutely. As a parent I'd be gone long time. My nephew is severely allergic to pets. He could stay in vicinity of pets for about 2-3 hours max. He had shots/pills etc and it does help but only up to the point. My brother and SIL would never have s pet. They have other kids who wanted a pet. But they wouldn't jeopardize him. He is now married abd his wife is pet person. She wouldn't have a pet of course.
Now I understand that OPs son must have a pet. Then dad must put his kid first and be gone. It's simple.
I really hope that you and DH
I really hope that you and DH find a solution.
You both love your children and want them to be healthy and happy. Neither child and their needs is more important than the other but in a family sometimes sacrifices have to be made. I hope the sacrifices that you and DH agree on don't create resentment and tear your family apart.
My neice is deathly allergic to cats and dogs, her brother had a dog that kept his anxiety at bay (they are not a step or blended family).
They had to remove the dog from the house, they tried allergy meds, they tried cleaning and grooming, nothing worked. Their son was very resentful. He felt abandoned by his whole family and his anxiety ramped up.
They even talked about living separately Mom with him and the dog, Dad with her and no dog.
In the end they got a ton of therapy, the son got a hedgehog to comfort him and they got through it.
When you met and dated and
When you met and dated and then got engaged, have you ever discussed that DS must have a dog, SD is allergic to dogs etc?
When DH and I got serious we discussed what's going to happen with our living arrangements should we get married, that conversation included talking about his cat. And we don't have kids at home and aren't allergic. How come none of it was discussed?
Frankly if I had child allergic to pets and my date said if we marry we must have a dog, I'd never continued dating and marrying etc Why wasn't it discussed?
It was discussed and decided
It was discussed and decided that sd would have her visits at her grandparents house.
Yet she lives with you.
Yet she lives with you. Possibility of her living with you hadn't been discussed. Parents should always discuss that there is a possibility kids will be witj them full time
Amen sister. So very true
Amen sister. So very true
I didn't read all of the
I didn't read all of the responses.
I have asthma. I also have 2 dogs. Has this child gotten allergy testing to confirm that she is allergic to pet dander? If not, that needs to happen first.
It could be many things causing the attack, so your husband shouldn't automatically blame the dog.
She also may need a nebulizer, so you can treat attacks at home. She may need a med adjustment, I had a hard time on powdered inhalers and do better on Qvar, for example. Also, singulair helps a lot of people and is taken in pill form.
There are plenty of options before jumping to having to rehome the dog. Plenty of asthmatics have dogs, myself included.
I find a lot of people don't
I find a lot of people don't understand asthma completely.
It can range anywhere from extremely mild/intermittent or severe - but often times people will notice it just flares up after a respiratory illness. Some people only experience asthma symptoms when they exercise. Some people have the brittle form of asthma, where they end up in the ICU with attacks. There is a HUGE spectrum! Her husband needs to educate himself first, using the dog as a scapegoat is annoying. I would be pissed.
My mom used to think my childhood dog bothered my asthma, but no, it ended up being a mold allergy. So, every fall when the leaves come off the trees and mold is more prevalent in the air I breathe - I up my meds and I am ok.
I also end up with bronchitis every year, I am just prone to it. When I get it, I experience attacks and sometimes need steroids. I hack for 2 months or more.
It is not a one size fits all disease. If dogs were the absolute cause of asthma, sure, blame Bear. But if not, wait and get the test done and figure out the child's meds. When properly treated - you can pretty much live a totally normal life with asthma.
Thank you Granny. Asthma is
Thank you Granny. Asthma is a pain in the neck!
PS- Go PATS! ((I had to.))
Libbie, Are you actually
Libbie, Are you actually married and is he able to afford his own place, as you said he moved in with you.
Yes we are married and dh can
Yes we are married and dh can support himself. He does okay and his family is very well off.
To me the best solution is
To me the best solution is that he gets his own place for now so you can both do what is right for your own kids.
So, I guess all those SMS
So, I guess all those SMS that moved into their DHs house should just shut up about the kids complaining about something since it's their DHs house and not theirs.
You'd be shocked at how many
You'd be shocked at how many times that actually IS suggested here, lol.
Having said that, I didn't see where OP is denying that there may be a problem. She is upset that DH is rushing to judgement and planning on banning the dog w/o first taking the SD to an allergist to learn the scope of the child's allergies. This isn't just a mutt, it is OP's child's ESA animal. One suggested by his therapist at that.
Ewe. I can't believe that
Ewe. I can't believe that would actually be suggested. When you invite someone to live with you, it's becomes a shared space that should be respected.
I think OP is ignoring the very real possibility that this could be deadly for SD. I by no means think her husband is right, but his reaction is coming from fear of losing a child, so I can understand that. I think they should probably just slit at this point for the health of all involved.
It can and has been
It can and has been suggested. Even a few posts on this thread were going down that road. I know, it's a lot to read, lol.
I don't think she's ignoring. I think they both have some hard choices to make, and while she was willing to make compromises, her DH wants it totally his way. That never works in StepWorld. Living separately may be the only fix but, who willingly signs up for that when getting hitched? (rhetorical)
My kid nearly died from
My kid nearly died from asthma, was transferred to three different hospitals by ambulance because they couldn't control him and his lungs were so enlarged they were crushing his heart. He is allergic to dogs. I swear to god if my partner put a dog before my son, service or not, I would leave you because it is selfish. Give the dog to grandma where the BS can visit it, but I would leave you anyway.
If someone needed a service/
If someone needed a service/ emotional support dog needs then their needs are just as important to them and their offspring or whatever as your child's physical needs are to you. An emotional need isn't something you can just shelve or schedule just like asthma, so getting in the car to just visit grandma when you are having an issue isn't realistic, it is very real to them and just as time sensitive. People kills themselves because emotional needs/issues aren't addressed. PTSD/Depression/ are just two reasons ppl get ESA. So if your child has asthma to the point it's uncontrollable it would be selfish of you get into a relationship with someone has an animal that triggers that or you as an adult make the decision to live apart. It's not fair or realistic to knowingly enter into it and demand a person change their lifestyle to their detriment to accommodate yours.
All the allergy talk for
All the allergy talk for Monday. I thought the pet dander had already been established. Per the OP's first blog"
"Sd has an allergy to pet dander and it is verified. They recommended (the first allergist) she take allergy meds but she doesn't like the side effects. Some give her itchy hives (I understand that) but others make her tired and have a dry mouth so she refuses to take them. She has also fake passed out in the street and was almost ran over by a car so no dr will say she should take allergy meds. No one wants to risk the lawsuit. We fought with her but due to her severe reactions to Bear and her fake passing out dh allows her to stay with his parents every other week for visitation and he goes there. We tried to do the allergy shot but no allergist will administer them because sd passes out when given a needle poke. I'm not kidding. Down she goes. Dh says she has done this since she was a young child. "
If it was verified , how was this done without allergen test via the testing process?
What doesn't make sense? That
What doesn't make sense? That we don't know if it was a cold or an allergy that caused this?
I want to meet with the
I want to meet with the allergist to see what we can do. Bm always controlled the appointments and talked over dh. I want to go in with dh and see what we can do short and long term.
I would think the only reason
I would think the only reason not to attend would be if the SD strongly objects to it. I've not read all blogs nor comments/replies OP has made since she joined, but I don't recall reading SD and SM don't get along. SM is likely the one who needs to hear about cleaning and the animal care (if any needed) if SD remains in home.
OP SHOULD be there so DH
OP SHOULD be there so DH doesn't over exaggerate whatever the Dr. tells him. Clearly DH is 'in it to win it' for the sake of HIS kid. OP has a right to have ALL information so she can make informed decisions, since it will most likely affect HER child as well. You do remember that OP has a child in this home too, right?
So you treat your Dh/SO like
So you treat your Dh/SO like a liar and have no trust in him?
If he won't listen to reason
If he won't listen to reason and is dead set on getting rid of an ESA that benefits OP's child w/o regard for anyone except his child.... you bet I'd be there to hear what's actually being said. It's totally not like a bio-parent to expect compliance from a step-parent. :?
I'm allergic to dog dander
I'm allergic to dog dander and I own a dog. I am also seriously allergic to cats. I don't own one, and I don't forgo visits to my mom's house or my brothers house because they do. I just take my meds and enjoy the visit.
If OP's DH knew of his child's allergies, then perhaps HE shouldn't have moved her in. To ask OP to get rid of her DS's ESA is unfair. OP isn't the problem here, her DH is. Why is everyone jumping on her as though SHE went out and bought a dog knowing it would cause her SD such distress? I'm sure that isn't the case at all. She's caught between a rock and a hard place and it would be nice if people would try to understand that. Sometimes this really doesn't seem to be a 'place where step parents can come to vent.'
Then go on your tirades about
Then go on your tirades about HIM. Stop trying to make OP the scapegoat of this situation. You're acting like OP wants this strife. She is looking out for her DS's best interest. If her DH doesn't do that for HIS kid, that's on HIM.
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I wonder why he didn't deal
I wonder why he didn't deal with it before as well.
From what I've read it looks like everyone thought that SD was being dramatic and over exaggerating her symptoms. I think that DH and the OP thought she could just take some drugs and she'd be fine.
That doesn't seem to be the case and now DH is trying to protect his child, just the same way that the OP is trying to protect hers.
If this is a pure pet
If this is a pure pet situation it is time for Bear to go. No pet should trump a child's health.
As a long time sufferer of allergies and having survived severe childhood asthma (many trips to the Denver childhood asthma hospital) I would never make a pet a priority over a child's health.
If Bear is a service dog that injects an entirely different level of complexity into the decision IMHO. Even then..... a physical threat to a child's health may trump the positive additions of a service dog. That there are two children at risk in this situation, one for breathing issues and one for psychological issues, makes it that much harder of a decision.
If the SD's issues are not sever asthma related then there may be some wiggle room on this issue moving forward.
This is a difficult situation for all involved.
libbie - Bear stays x
libbie -
Bear stays x million
SD can move out...
animals can not cause Bronchitis...
Pets can cause it. You
Pets can cause it. You should educate yourself before giving factually incorrect advice.
http://www.webmd.com/asthma/asthmatic-bronchitis-symptoms-treatment#1
I can also copy and paste
I can also copy and paste links lady
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8888.php
bronchitis is a virus common with colds and flu, SD already had bronchitis.... I never said she did not get asthma due to the dog, yes that can happen... but maybe you should read all of libbie's blogs,
SD has allergies, she's on medication and everything was fine with Bear being there.... then SD might have had a flu/cold and it went over to bronchitis... how's the dog to blame? Just because she got asthma?
but fine you are on the side saying get rid of your son's dog, your son means nothing it should all be about SD..
EDIT: SD never had these problems before.... and the link you gave - only say treatments - keep animals away... never said the dog caused it
Your link is about
Your link is about bronchitis. The daughter has asthmatic bronchitis which is different.
I am on the side of being educated and making choices based on facts and not feelings.
even your link never says
even your link never says it's cause by animals.... maybe you should read that again....
yes if you have it animals is a problem, just as normal dust etc.
and this is the first time SD has been sick... so she might have had the flu, she's not a sufferer..
It does say it causes it in
It does say it causes it in my link. Perhaps you should read the whole page? It's the first time it happened there because the girl just started living there. Even visitation didn't occur there.
the girl use to visit....
the girl use to visit.... then the allergies started as BM complained about - then the visits moved to the grandparents cause Libbi would not get rid of the dog and the SD refused to take allergy medicine... with the support of her BM..
BM is the one who brought up the dog is making SD ill (which was never the case till one day), BM is the one who demanded Bear being re-homes and DH is following the BM...
why should Libbi bow to a woman who's not part of her house, why is Libbi's husband backing up his Ex wife instead of his current wife, why can't the Husband just find his own damn place....
BM was begging DH to let SD
BM was begging DH to let SD come with her and he said no. Yet he never ensured that child is safe in his home and didn't even inform BM that girl had to be in ER. It's really a terrible story all together. This girl abd her health aren't a priority. Unbelievable
Well, Libbie, what was the
Well, Libbie, what was the verdict? How did the trip to the dr. go?