These Ups and Downs are Killing Me
I got a little irritated Friday because DH had gotten off work a teeny bit early and just had to go ahead and pick sd11 up and bring her to our house. So when I got home from work she was there with her bathing suit on washing the truck. She didn't bother to speak to me for the longest time. Then she said to me, "Are you going fishing with us tomorrow?" I'm like, "Well, yeah." I wanted to say, "No, you're going fishing with US tomorrow." But I kept my mouth shut and smiled. She didn't look happy that I would be joining them, that I didn't have to work Saturday...grrr.
Friday night we went out to dinner with friends. Hubby made sure to sit with me, and I was happy to see that his friend even made his daughter get up and move so he could sit next to his girlfriend (Way to go, A!) We sat across from the other couple and the girls sat at the table right beside us (we were at a little group of tables with chairs on one side and a bench on the other. DH and I sat on the bench together:))
So Saturday morning I was feeling pretty good. We got the boat hooked up. Had a fairly nice trip to the lake. Put the boat in the water. And where does sd11 sit down? In MY seat next to Hubby. So I was a little pissed and he didn't even seem to notice. I reminded him a couple of times that he was supposed to teach me how to drive the boat. He started to show me a couple of times but sd11 kept her ass right in my seat so that I couldn't even see what he was doing, let alone get to the steering wheel. She just kept staring up at me with a sullen look on her face.
Finally I told my husband to take me to the shore. He apparently thought I had to pee, but by the time we got to the shore he realized I was pissed off. He yelled after me as I was walking away from the boat and asked if I was coming back. I told him I'd let them have "their" time together. I was sitting at the picnic tables calling my son to come get me when DH walked up the hill, leaving sd11 in the boat.
"So you're mad because she's sitting next to me in the boat?" he wanted to know.
"Where did I sit when we were on our honeymoon?" I ask.
"Next to me," he admits.
"Where do I sit when we're out on the boat by ourselves together?"
Again..."Next to me."
"So why am I not sitting next to you now?"
"I ignored her all night last night. What else do you want me to do?" he asks.
"Baby, I didn't ask you to ignore her. I don't want you to ignore her. I just want you to treat me like you always do when we're together and she's not here."
We had a pretty good talk after that. I told him that him ignoring me makes me resent sd11 and that's not me. I don't like feeling resentful. He insisted we go back to the boat so he could teach me how to drive it like we planned. Finally made her move her ass into a more appropriate seat. I had a nice time after that and learned a lot. She pouted the whole time.
Then DH's phone tore up so we went to the AT&T Store to get it fixed and I ended up getting an iPhone:D We had been planning to get me one and they were on sale so we went ahead and added me to his plan. Before that I had been on my son's plan (and paying him for my part.)
As soon as sd11 found out the phone was for me, she immediately started telling him, "I want to go home. I want to see mommy." Over and over again. Finally around 9pm, her mom came and got her.
Of course she wanted to come back for Easter. She wouldn't want to miss her Easter Basket or the egg hunt because DH puts money in the plastic eggs he hides (Correction...I did all that the past two years...hiding and all.) So we went to breakfast and DH did good and sat next to me We had a pretty nice Easter morning and then took her home to her mom. "Bye, Daddy," she said, "Thank you for taking me to breakfast and for the Easter Basket and the money." Not a word to me, of course. But I was just happy she was gone.
My emotions have changed so much this weekend my body is nearly in a full fibro flare today. I hope we can get some routines established soon so I don't have to worry about this anymore.
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ya know what sucks about this
ya know what sucks about this paragraph:
We had a pretty good talk after that. I told him that him ignoring me makes me resent sd11 and that's not me. I don't like feeling resentful. He insisted we go back to the boat so he could teach me how to drive it like we planned. Finally made her move her ass into a more appropriate seat. I had a nice time after that and learned a lot. She pouted the whole time.
Her interruptation:
That bitch pouted and got her way. She was not privi to the conversation that took place at the picnic table that it is two adults trying to find comman ground. AKA next time if I pout I will get my way.
It is "her" fault Daddy made me move.
The list goes on and on.
Daddy is the saint and you are the bitch...and it grows like cancer.
Ive lived this more then once, I just wish it didnt all have to happen like this...Im sorry this happened to you and you had to have that conversation with a grown adult.
WHY dont DH recognize this shit before you have to remind them and then they take action...?
I know, right? I wish he had
I know, right? I wish he had just told her to move from the start. Or at least when I reminded him he was supposed to teach me how to drive. OR I wish I had just sat down in that seat before she did. That's what I'm going to do from now on so we don't have a blow up.
That's absolutely what SD
That's absolutely what SD gets out of it. She saw you get upset and pout, DH gave you extra attention and now she's in trouble for it.
He needs to set the tone, but trust me. You need to keep on reminding him and speak up. Don't let it fester to where you get so upset you decide to remove yourself. That doesn't send the right message either.
Help DH understand what your goal is, how you'd like your new family to work and how you, ideally, see the dynamics play out. He may agree with everything you say and he may not, but you two can come to an understanding and work towards creating that in your home and your family.
I think this is so hard for
I think this is so hard for my husband because I am asking him to change a lot about the way he interacts with sd11. But it was going to have to change anyway. She is almost 12...too old to be treating like a little baby, cutting up her pancake, hugging and kissing and tickling her all the time... like she's 7 instead of almost 12.
He is going to have to figure out a new way of relating to her, so I hope he will realize it would be good if I could help him "pay attention" to her. It doesn't have to be just him and her anymore.
This reminds me a lot of what
This reminds me a lot of what I went through with my dad. My mom did not raise me due to some health issues so I was with my Dad. I was sweet but spoiled. I was his only child for a long time.
When I played baseball when I was about 12 years old, all my friends and their parents (the coaches, etc) would all tease me when I went up to bat, "do it for daddy!" apparently, 12 was WAY too old for me to be calling my dad "Daddy".
Nothing like a little pier pressure to wake a kid up. It worked wonders for me and even though I loved my dad to death, soon enough I didn't want to be seen in public with him. At. All! LOL. Makes me laugh thinking about it.
I just wonder how it will play out with SS though. I'm just waiting for the day that SS13's friends see him trying to hold his Dad's hand.
This reminds me a lot of what
This reminds me a lot of what I went through with my dad. My mom did not raise me due to some health issues so I was with my Dad. I was sweet but spoiled. I was his only child for a long time.
When I played baseball when I was about 12 years old, all my friends and their parents (the coaches, etc) would all tease me when I went up to bat, "do it for daddy!" apparently, 12 was WAY too old for me to be calling my dad "Daddy".
Nothing like a little pier pressure to wake a kid up. It worked wonders for me and even though I loved my dad to death, soon enough I didn't want to be seen in public with him. At. All! LOL. Makes me laugh thinking about it.
I just wonder how it will play out with SS though. I'm just waiting for the day that SS13's friends see him trying to hold his Dad's hand.
First thing that comes to my
First thing that comes to my mind is that you also need to speak up to SD. Tell her to get up because she's in your seat. She doesn't expect you to sit in the back seat of the car, does she? You're an adult and you have every right to tell kids to move. You're probably just a bit cautious of doing it since it's your SD. (just my guess).
It sounds like SD could have benefited from a reminder from DH to thank you as well, since the gifts and breakfast were also provided by YOU. Sounds like DH could have used a reminder as well.
I know for me, I need to CONSTANTLY remind DH about what is appropriate and what isn't. I swear, in the beginning of our relationship when we started to spend time together with all the kids, I think I was constantly coaching the poor man. It wasn't that his way was wrong, it was just that was the way he had been interacting with his son, on his own for 7 years. I let him know that we were the adults, that we make the rules and the decisions and that the kids are MORE THAN LUCKY to be included.
No we don't ask 4 kids (i have 3) what they want to eat for dinner every night of the week. No we don't let them pick how we spend our time. No we don't jump up to fix their video game console that they just messed up by pressing the wrong buttons on the TV remote. No we don't go give them extra hugs and attention if they are throwing a fit or are unhappy about something.
Sometimes these men are just used to doing what they were doing and they don't give it much thought. But they mean well and can hopefullly make the adjustments if they want things to work. It sounds like ultimately some good came out of everything, so you know there's hope.
Yeah, I do feel very lucky
Yeah, I do feel very lucky that my husband cares about how I feel and is willing to make changes to make me happy. I just feel bad that it is so hard for him, that he feels like he has to ignore her (even though he really didn't ignore her, he just didn't pay as much attention to her as he normally does) and that it breaks his heart to hurt his child. I just wish I could get him to see she will be much better off in the long run once she accepts that we are a unit.
I can relate 100%. I've found
I can relate 100%. I've found that the more I (calmly) explain to DH what SS13 learns from their different types of interactions, the better results I get. Sometimes DH will actually say, "you're absolutely right. I never realized that". Score!!!!
DH is understanding more and more how HE sets the tone for what is expected in the house and that HE is ultimately responsible for what behaviors he breeds in SS.
Even though I know that this is all better for SS in the long run, I do feel sorry for the kid because his life has done a complete 180. He is now accountable for cleaning his room, doing his homework, having some manners, and falling in line as a CHILD is supposed to do. He is no longer his Dad's BFF and the center of the world.
I think that's good for a kid!
I KNOW it's gonna be hard for
I KNOW it's gonna be hard for sd11. I totally understand that and I feel for her (when I'm not so angry and resentful) but like you said, it will be better for them in the long run. I only hope I can convince my DH of that.
You say that you want SD to
You say that you want SD to understand that you and dh are a unit
...do you understand that? Tell the kid to move, you are an adult in the family....part of the parental unit with her father. If dad doesn't catch that she's in your spot..... Hey SD, slide down. Dad is teaching g me to drive the boat and I want to sit there. You don't have to be mean about it...just tell her to move. If she hassles you or questions you...then be more forceful. Don't expect dh to read minds....just speak up. That will show her the new normal more than anything dh does. Take your place and authority in the family, don't wait for dh to make the space for you.
She thanks dad for the easter stuff and he doesn't correct her that is was you.....answer your welcome with just that slight attitude. She will get you point and so will dh.
Absolutely agree with
Absolutely agree with this.
And if she questions you when you say nicely "sd, please move because..." THEN you use the "I am an adult you DO NOT question me" tone and say "Excuse Me?"
I have also had the situation where I buy the birthday presents, the Christmas presents, the Easter eggs, etc. And Dadddeeeee always gets the thank you.
I do exactly what P&S suggested and say - with attitude "you're welcome" - just get a dirty look from them, but OH gets it - and works harder at correcting the bad manners.
We went to the Sunday Market with all 4 kids (my bd's and the skids) the other week, didn't really have any cash to spend but had decided that when we got to the sweet stall they could have $2 each. (Hadn't told them)
SD12 spent the whole time "dadddeeee buy me this, dadddddeeeeee buy my that" I said quietly, under my breath "any chance of a please?" and he heard me LOL Next time she asked he said to her "no, and do you know why? Because you have no manners" She gave him the blank face, but started adding "Dadddeeeeee pleeeeaaaaasssseeeee can you buy me blah" and he still said no LOL - look on her face was priceless.
I think this is so hard for
I think this is so hard for my husband because I am asking him to change a lot about the way he interacts with sd11.
Yes but is what your asking him to change healthier for SD?
I tried all this with DH trying to faciliatate a healthy, father daughter relationship because what they have is far beyond dysfunctional ..
lmfao ....go read my last two
lmfao ....go read my last two blogs cutting up her pancake, hugging and kissing and tickling her all the time... like she's 7 instead of almost 12.
My SD is 17!
By your DH saying what he
By your DH saying what he did' are you mad because she is sitting where she is sitting'
or something along those lines means HE knew exactly why you were upset...and he should have done soemthing about it before you had to ask to go to shore. But good on one hand that he figured it out on his own.
Yeah, I don't think he's as
Yeah, I don't think he's as clueless as he tries to pretend. I think he's trying to keep me and her happy and he feels caught in the middle. He KNEW I needed to sit next to him and I was pretty obvious standing above them, but he STILL didn't make her move. Everybody is absolutely right. I should have told her to move myself. Next time I will.
Surely as long as there's a
Surely as long as there's a balance and he sits with you sometimes and next to her at others, that ought to be OK? Is your DH never going to be allowed to sit next to his daughter when you are there? That doesn't seem very fair. How would you have felt if your son was 11 and your partner insisted that he was never allowed to sit next to you? I fear that you are setting her up to resent you and feel hostile and competitive - particularly since you are making no secret of this battle over seating.
I think until we set a
I think until we set a precedent, we should sit together. Then occasionally we can switch things around, but only after it is understood that we are a united couple.
Funny that's your reaction
Funny that's your reaction Both, when dh and I did therapy it was the first suggestion we got. We sit next to each other always.. we walk together she walks behind or in front or to the side of me. He said his time to sit next to SD was when they were together with out me. It is a common tool used by therapist so that you are viewed as a team.
I agree with the public
I agree with the public battle part, I made that mistake and in would say it is the biggest mistake I made in all of this. I stopped saying it to her and started saying into him. Then he'd address it. Kids aren't dumb they know the only reasons he is ragging on them is because were rtagging on him
It's not a matter of where
It's not a matter of where she sits as much as it's a matter of being in my place by his side, whether that involves sitting together at a restaurant or on the boat or walking through the store or whatever. As I said before, I just need a precedent set, then I think things will come together and it won't be such a big deal. Up until now I've not been able to get anywhere near him when the three of us are together. I held this in for a LONG time before I said anything, but then I realized it really, really bothers me and the only way I know to solve it is to establish myself and my husband as an inseparable couple, a united front. Then we can relax the normal rules once in awhile.
Katielee, I get you. SD is
Katielee, I get you. SD is doing this on purpose. She's driving a wedge between you and DH. You are right to seal up any holes to prevent SD from wedging herself in again. I see what you are doing as establishing clear boundaries.
I agree your place is by his
I agree your place is by his side, but I fail to see why you couldn't ask her to move. If DH didn't back you up I would have asked to go to shore, but it smacks of the same sulking SD was doing if you didn't even ask for what you wanted.
Yes, I have to agree with
Yes, I have to agree with echo. You are obsessing about this way too much. if this little girl didn't hate you before she probably does now. speak up for yourself and stop dragging your husband into it
"Speak up for yourself and
"Speak up for yourself and stop dragging your husband into it."
I disagree with that. If you've read any of Katielee's previous blogs you would know this is partly her DH's fault for treating his DD like a mini-wife. She has stated she feels like a 3rd wheel on a date with them so that isn't all the SD. Her DH needs to stop treating his DD like she is some kind of equal to his WIFE. She is the child, and this would never happen in a bio situation, she would know and understand and accept that her place is in the back seat, walking in front, etc.
And as far as Katielee's not just telling her SD to move, I get that too. How many of us do things like that with nothing but the best intentions, and get accused of "picking on" our step kids? Quite the slippery slope sometimes.
I have sorta come to the same
I have sorta come to the same conclusion...that he knew I wanted to sit next to him. I think he's just "testing the limits" to see how serious about this and how far I want to take it. I think by calling him on it every single time, he is learning just how serious I am. The past two times we've gone out to restaurants, he has sat next to me, no questions asked. He is making improvements, so I don't want to withdraw myself just yet. But I will if it comes to that.
You all are right who said I
You all are right who said I have to learn to say something to sd11 myself rather than waiting on hubby to do it. I have a problem with that apparently (and believe my, my outspoken adult DD has already called me on it). I am going to work on that.
AnaR...I like the "casual"
AnaR...I like the "casual" way of telling sd11 something. I will try that. The problem with telling her to move out of the boat seat is that she claims it every time the 3 of us are out on the boat together and nothing has been said in the past. I think next time I am just going to have to be sure I'm the first one on the boat and grab that seat first...lol. (Now that really sounds childish, right?)
The boat is getting to be quite another sore spot with me. While hubby and I were dating we dreamed about it, went and picked it out, and wanted and waited for it for several months. I came up with the down payment myself and bought it, but we were so excited together. It was OUR thing. So how did it end up being about him and her? He acts like he doesn't even want to take the boat out unless he can take his "young un" fishing. It's very irritating to me. I'm glad she likes the boat, but technically the damn thing is mine. To make matters worse, NONE of my kids have ever even been out on it. Hubby never seems to find the time when they are here and able to go.
I recall a recent post that
I recall a recent post that described the dynamics of these situations very clearly. If you, an adult, go to your husband to referee disputes between you and SD, you become her peer and surrender your adult standing. You are the wife, the adult, and what you say goes, what you want takes precedence over what she wants EVERY TIME. But only if you stand up for yourself as an adult with standing.