I read some things here that make me sad.
One such thing is that many BMs don't use CS on their kids. I didn't know just how many women used CS on themselves until I came to this site.
It makes me sad that a lot of BMs do not spend time with their kids. To that end, I can see how/why skids would get jealous of the kids living in Dad's home. Not only do the other kids see Dad more, but they also have caring moms who spend time with them.
It makes me sad that so many BMs do not take their kids to fun places for travel. Again, I can see why so many skids get jealous of the kids living with Dad and SM. I've read so many stories here about kids who haves BMs who don't take them anywhere.
It makes me sad that there are so many negligent parents out there. And I am sad for these kids because as frustrated as we can get at them, they don't have the ability to think things through like we adults do. They know something is wrong, but they don't know how to appropriately deal with their anger or what to do.
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I know where you are coming
I know where you are coming from. There are times I read a blog and literally have tears running down my face. And sometime I just get, flat out PISSED!
DSO paid his CS religiously
DSO paid his CS religiously and some extras, skids didn't get any of it.
BM lost custody and is currently 28 months behind of her paying DSO.
She can't even do fun stuff with the skids on the weekends she has them.
Well they get to play Farmville.
Same in our situation. BM
Same in our situation. BM lives off the CS because she refuses to get a job. SD has nothing over at her mom's the only time she does fun stuff is with us. Her BM cries poor single mom to everyone. Yet she makes no effort to get a freaking job!!! A new grocery store opened around the corner from her apartment. Literally a 3 min walk to work they were hiring anyone with a pulse yet BM said she was too good to work at that store. Really???? :jawdrop: :jawdrop: Too good to work for a living I just want to smack the stupid out of her!!!
I totally agree. Our BM is
I totally agree. Our BM is CP, gets a shitload of CS ($1800 per month) yet shes got the kids conditioned to have the skids wait until they are with us, to ask dear ole dad for Additional $ because BM told them that they can only get certain things or play Addl sports, if only their Dad would pay more!!! That crazy woman truly believes he doesnt "help out financially enough" & has no probs telling the kids that!!!!
She pays her mortgage pmt with the CS. She would be happy if DH lived in a cardboard box & handed over his entire paycheck!!! Lol....nah, she would prob tell him to get another job. Lol!!! The skids believe their moms bs & constantly call or come over for visitation with their hands out for more & more $. Im sadly watching all this & it breaks my heart. They feel like if dad doesnt give them gobs of cash & stuff, then hes just not worth it to them. Its very sad!!! You wanna just tell them the truth, but thats a fine line.
this is both my BMs... BM#1
this is both my BMs... BM#1 is much too busy being the crazy trailer park skank to do anything with her FOUR kids (only SD14 is DH's) She just leaves them with her mother all the time while she is out NOT working, I swear her daily agenda is to see just how much chaos she can cause (even her own mother says this), the ONLY time SD has ever been out of about a 2 hour radius of her home is because DH has taken her somewhere.
BM#2 will do things with SS but ONLY if it's something that her current BF is interested in. Like the last BF liked to bike and play tennis, so SS would get to do that, and the BF was like a kid himself, so he would play video games with SS and actually took him to a couple of amusement parks...but now that BM is with her new 21 year old BF, I have no clue what they do, according to SS a whole lot of nothing... Hell, DH BEGGED BM to get SS involved in Soccer, baseball, ANYTHING and she couldn't be bothered AND the damn sports complex where the majority of sports are played in our area was directly behind her apartment complex... I mean literally a 30 second walk. DH hates her to this day for being such a lazy, skank about it. And again, the ONLY time that SS has ever been out of about a 2 hour radius of his home is because DH has taken him somewhere...
I swear my BS who just turned three has already experienced more culture and fun things in his three years than the skids have in 14 years. but that is how I was brought up, my mom was awesome, we travelled, we learned, we did things ALL.THE.TIME.... maybe it's a generational thing too, I highly doubt either BM has ever been out of the state in 38 years. whatever...
For starters, she could get a
For starters, she could get a job.
Without getting into which
Without getting into which answer is right and which is wrong, I will say I know women who have been SAHMs for many years then decided to re-enter the workforce. It was a lot easier said than done for them.
True, but they WOULD
True, but they WOULD eventually find one. Until then I am sure all of this government assistance I am paying for would help out. I am mainly thinking of the SAHM's who don't even TRY.
It is sad that these morons
It is sad that these morons get to breed at all. This is why when a divorce occurs or an out of wedlock child is born fiscal ability to support the child should be a major requirement for custody.
My wife was a single teen mom who had our son when she was 16. She went on to graduate with her HS class with honors, a dual major BS with honors, an MBA with honors and is now a CPA.
The SpermIdiot went on to a stellar breeding career of 4 out-of-wedlock spawn by three different baby mamas (My SS/son is his oldest and our only), lives rent free in a home owned by SpermGrandMa and SpermGrandPa who raise the younger three SpermIdiot spawn in their home without help from DipShit and they paid 17 years of his CO'd CS for my SS.
Parents like those you detest and like my Skid's SpermIdiot should not be allowed to breed at all much less repeatedly. When one of their Spawn makes it to birth then for sure custody must go to the other parent or in many cases an ven a more responsible adult.
IMHO of course.
Tell me about it! I get CS
Tell me about it! I get CS for my BS9 and I literally spend every penny of it on my sons tuition! But my BF's XW who is a complete waste of skin uses it on...hair, nails, tanning, new cars, etc. MUST BE FUCKING NICE!!! While she is making herself look "good" on my BF's dime...skid is overweight, has the grossest, yellowest teeth I have ever seen, is glued in front of video games, etc. of course skid has name brand everything and a flat screen tv and other useless shit but that isnt what CS is for!!! It is meant to pay for the CHILD'S NEEDS and to suuport them. Not feed their faces into obesity, or have them glued in front of a game system etc.
Why is it that us DECENT BM's always get the shitty BD and shitty CS, if any, and make it work and barely complain while the biggest fucking gold digging loser tramp BM get the good BD that pay a huge amount of CS while the bitches use it on themselves 90% of the time!!!!???? UGH!!! BURNS MY F'N ASS!!!
It just pisses me off to no end that my poor BF gets raped in CS that basically pays for some lazy bitch to live the life while my BF and I can barely get by and can't even have our own home etc. at least not until the kid is old enough for BF to stop paying for!!! And he's only 11
Our BM cries poverty, yet she
Our BM cries poverty, yet she wears designer clothes, shoes & handbags. Buys herself iPads, eats out, takes cabs everywhere, but when it comes to buying SD12s necessities all of a sudden she's POOR. DH pays 180.00 a week in CS, yet SD is always needing something because BM won't buy it out of the CS.
THAT right there burns my
THAT right there burns my fucking ass!!! My BF tells his gold digging XW that she isn't getting a penny more than the 230.00 a week he has to pay.(Thanks to me opening his eyes and telling him straight up that CS is meant to pay for your kid & you dont have to give her a damn penny more than the CO CS amount) TOO FUCKING BAD BM!!!
oh yes... this is the story
oh yes... this is the story of both BMs lives.... never have any money when it comes to skids, but by golly they ALWAYS have money for hair, nails, cars, clothes, eating out, etc. Whatever... I mean skids HAVE to notice this right?? I remember was SS was about 9, SD asked him what he was getting with the Social Security money that BMs get because DH is disabled LEO. SS knew nothing about it and actually said "Oh, I have no idea, my mom is a freak with money" Yep, at 9 he knew this.
Our BM would say she was poor
Our BM would say she was poor as well. Yet she bought a newer 5 bedroom house for her and the two skids only AND would have her groceries delivered. Now, grocery delivery doesn't COST all that much in our neck of the woods but you CANNOT use ANY coupons if you do it that way!
Even when I was a single mom attending college and had to get food stamps...I STILL used coupons!
Thankfully this is the ONE
Thankfully this is the ONE problem I don't have. We have primary custody so DH pays nothing to the BM. Which is good since she has a history of being really bad with money (taking $$ from kids' college funds to play the lottery).
Our BM gets $1500 a month for
Our BM gets $1500 a month for CS, lives off the interest from DH's investement that she got when they divorced and was able to keep 75% of the equity from their home sale which was enough cash to buy a new house outright.
She also took the Cadicllac Escalade that was pid off and traded it in on a smaller Cadilllac.
Of course, she had a job for a litttle while as an Admion but quit and told DH that it was too hard to work and raise a child.
what fucking ever
My XH doesn't pay CS. Yes, he
My XH doesn't pay CS. Yes, he should, and yes, I should take him to court and enforce it. Why don't I? Because the hassle of trying to collect along with the whining and more than likely PAS on how we have so much and he has so little to my children is not worth it.
But, it makes me sad. It makes me sad that thier father who claims to be #1 Dad and Dad of the year doesn't feel he is obligated to support his children financially. I divorced him because he has a spending problem and is entitled as the top 2 reasons and I couldn't afford to be married to him anymore. But it still makes me sad to see that he is so entitled that he feels its my financial responsibility to pay for everything because I make more than him. Yes, I do make more, I also have my children 80% of the time and he doesn't put a penny to them other than feeding them when they are at his house.
My XH is perfectly OK with this, he also has no issues in asking me to pay for things for his household and yes even for his new kid - not kidding. He asks for hand me downs from my children for his new kid becuase after all, it is their sibling don't ya know. No, I do not give hand me downs to his other kid - bad enough he gets his 2 daughters for free, I will not extend to support his new kid on top. And yet, he sees no issue in asking.
He is entitled and I am sad to see that extends to the girls. It makes me angry some days but sad most other days - its no different than the BMs that use CS for themselves - my XH doesn't pay CS and uses the money for himself only.
Agreed wholeheartedly. And
Agreed wholeheartedly. And often, those scars never heal- they just manifest themselves in the bitterness and hatred that reeks in/on adult skids.
Don't worry, I know that not
Don't worry, I know that not all BMs are like that Most of the women in my life (including my own mom) are great moms. In fact, my mom gets along very well with the BM of her skids, my stepsiblings. I also know that there are crappy dads out there.
"You can't judge mothers in
"You can't judge mothers in general by this board. I'd like to say you can't judge fathers by it either but the consistent theme from forum to forum over the years is that men are not the best at hands-on parenting."
This also doesnt make any sense. There are probably as many (or more) blogs about BM's who suck as mothers, as there are about dads who don't do enough. If you are using these boards to make a judgement, I would say it runs about even. Of course, you tend to see things from a BM perspective so I think your view is somewhat skewed.
I am with you on this. I
I am with you on this. I don't pay or recieve. And neither does DH.
I never asked for it. I always felt like, if I took money from their dad, who has them 50% of the time it would only take from them while they are with him. So what was the point. So they could have an OVER abundance with me, and deprived with him? That just does't seem fair. I work... I earn my own money. I can finanially support myself and my kids on my own. Why shouldn't I? And let me tell you, there have been minimal issues between my ex and I. And I mean... maybe a handful of times that we didn't see eye to eye about the kids, in 8 years.
THIS is why I don't pursue my
THIS is why I don't pursue my XH for CS. It is a very small amount I can get if I did pursue him and frankly I see no point in making him an even bigger financial disaster than he already is. I divorced him, his money issues aren't mine anymore and I don't want them to be by having to chase him down for CS. I'd rather do with less, my kids want for nothing - they have everything they need and that is all that matters to me.
Of course there are times where it makes me very angry that my XH is such a loser and so entitled that he doesn't feel any obligation to WANT to contribute to his children. But I do my best to ensure my children are blind to how much of a loser he really is because its their father and he is who he is.
I can tell you hands
I can tell you hands down-remove the money from our situation, and we would have had custody of the kids.
I bet that would have been
I bet that would have been the case in our situation too. It was always the MONEY that was the important thing. Not the children or how they felt.
I agree, if my BF's XW didn't
I agree, if my BF's XW didn't get a dime of cs for skid, he and all of his shit probably would have been on my BF's doorstep...yesterday. Skid would be coming and I would be GOING! FUCK THAT SHIT!!!
Certainly things are skewed
Certainly things are skewed here. It's a venting place. When things are going well, people are FAR less likely to come here to report. Granted, it happens once in awhile, but people don't look for support when things are good.
I wonder if a lot of SM's find themselves in such a confused whirlwind when things go sour because the BM's they're familiar with are NOT crazy, mean, negligent, sour, jealous, bitter.
That's something that I really struggled with when I felt beside myself in my situation. I have ONE friend who is a SM. We're great friends. Her BEST friend is their BM. I've never been a step-anything, so her experience was all I knew before my situation, so that's what I was expecting my experience would be like.
I tried SO hard to be BM's friend. I tried SO hard to be more likable, more understanding, more helpful, etc. It took me a loooong time...several years...to accept that it didn't matter what I did. She didn't want another woman around her kids. It was HER problem. I also realized that the more effort I put into trying to make her like me, the more I was probably pissing her off which of course didn't help. I still care for her kids when they're with us. I still love her kids. I continue to build my relationships with her kids, but I stopped trying to have a relationship with her. I can see, now, where there's a good chance she felt like I was being too in-her-face. When things are already troubled, that can't help. My intentions were good, but they weren't wanted or needed.
You find a place like ST & it's easy to fall into the BM hate-pit, because there's overwhelming goading understanding & "support" for it so the hate presses on.
I think it's important to keep our minds straight & acknowledge the fact that while there are many bitter, jealous, & angry BM's, there are also many bitter, jealous, & angry SM's. We read it here EVERY.DAY.
I'm not a BM, but I can only imagine how I would feel sending my child into someone else's home. How many people post about their DH's who aren't responsible for their own kids? I'd be leery about sending my kid to a home where dad isn't paying attention & SM can't stand him.
I just don't think it's reasonable to lump BM's together & SM's together. There are extremes on both side. It's all individual & has so much to do with differences in parenting & boundaries & compatibility.
Just like there's no how-to for being a stepmom, there's no how-to for being a bio-mom.
That said, I do agree that a lot of what we read here is very upsetting, but I read about behavior on BOTH sides of the fence that make me sad. It isn't all on the BM's.
My DH pays his support as ordered. He doesn't complain about it. I don't complain about it. I wouldn't respect him if he didn't.
As long as the kids have food in their bellies (which I know they do because they get an ass-load in food-stamps) & they have a roof over their head & clothes on their bodies, I don't care how BM spends the money. I figure if she chooses to blow it on herself she'll be the one responsible for finding someone to cough up money for the stuff for the kids when they need it.
I just read that the
I just read that the following States a child support recipient might be legally required to give specific details as to what the Child support is spent on?
In the United States, 10 states (Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Washington) allow courts to demand an accounting on expenses and spending from custodial parents.
As far as I am concerned some of the amounts that are paid in CS seem quite excessive. I am not even sure how some manage the payments and still manage to pay for their own housing food etc?
That doesnt happen in
That doesnt happen in Florida. Never seen it, ever.
I wish we could get in
I wish we could get in writing how she spends BF's CS! But she would either lie, or go out and buy skid all kinds of unnecessary shit just to show she was spending it on skid.
However, my BF and I know BM spends my BF'S ridiculous amount of co cs on new cars every 1-2 years, her hair, nails, tanning, her other 4 kids from 3 different daddies, etc.
I wish there was justice for the men out there that pay so damn much cs that they shouldnt need/have to pay and made these gold digging, useless tramps account for it!
My proof would be simple, I spend every penny of the 400.00 a month cs I receive from my ex on my sons 400.00 a month tuition payment!
To begin with partner was
To begin with partner was paying CS and also majority of clothing, toys etc...including having them nearly 50percent of the time. Now, I've opened his eyes he's a little firmer and now BM doesn't ask on top of CS. He does still buy on top but stuff that isn't necessarily covered by CS such as helping his eldest son buy his bike, or helping pay his daughters holiday. CS is to pay for a roof over their heads, clothing and food, not "extras" such as gadgets, phone bill etc... That's down to whatever parent decides they want their child to have that particular item. For instance, BM got Skid an expensive phone contract but didn't expect partner to pay for any of it as that was her choice. Same goes if partner had decided to get the contract instead.
However, I certainly don't believe that the non custodial parent shouldn't have to pay, that's ridiculous. The only time that should be acceptable is maybe if there's 50/50 custody. Other than that parents should be made to pay for their kids regardless of if they live with them or not. Partner had 4 kids to pay for and sometimes I do think financially we'd be better if he didn't pay CS but they're his kids and he wouldn't dream of NOT paying for them. Partner pays by what he earns that particular week as he's self employed and doesn't go through CSA. He hasn't worked in 2 weeks due to the boat he relies on for work sinking but he still managed to scrape together the minimum he owes a week. I work so don't rely on partners wage to keep us financially comfortable. So, when he paid the maintenance that obviously meant I would be paying abut more out than I usually do, that doesn't bother me as my son as not going without and know partner would do the same for me if I paid maintenance.
I agree with you that it's
I agree with you that it's not the NCPs business how the CP chooses to spend the CS. But on that same note I believe that when the CP choses to spend the CS on bullshit, than the NCP has every right to say "Too bad if the kids don't have what they need, I pay you CS so that's your problem."
I can guarantee you the ONLY reason SD12 isn't already living in our house is because BM won't give up the cash cow.
Which is fine by me, if the day ever comes, she'll be moving in and I'll be moving out.
"But on that same note I
"But on that same note I believe that when the CP choses to spend the CS on bullshit, than the NCP has every right to say "Too bad if the kids don't have what they need, I pay you CS so that's your problem"
I agree with this 110%! My BF's XW gets a ridiculous amount of CS every month. There is NO child that costs THAT much to support every month! And NO parent should have to pay for every damn thing for their child when there are TWO parents involved! It is not all ONE parents responsibility. IMHO.
My BF and I had a talk, he wasn't always giving BM extra money but I flat out told him that he pays CS to pay for his kids needs. Period! There is NO reason why he EVER needs to/should give BM any more $$$ than what he is CO to pay! If she has a problem with that than SHE can address it with the court system! But otherwise not a penny more than the CO amount is EVER going to that bitch! EVER! He is doing his part that he is required & obligated to do which is financially support his child, yes he pays a ridiculous amount that we WILL be getting reduced so help me God but nonetheless he pays on time every week since he has had to start paying!