Am I invisible?
We have partial custody of my husband's teenagers, SS13 and SD15. I am curious if anyone else deals with a step child walking into a room and saying "hi dad!" (Or whatever they call the bio parent) And completely ignoring their stepparent sitting right next to their bio. This also happens when we pick them up and they get in the car and I'm there too.
His daughter will usually greet me as well but never anywhere near as enthusiastically. They also don't mind walking out the door to their dad's car when its time to go home past me and not saying a word.
Other than this they are fine with me and are kind and generally inclusive.
I think I'm super sensitive. It's true they probably don't even notice but it still stings. I have been around for nearly 8 years.
Yes
Yes, I get this all the time. They don't acknowledge me at Hello or Goodbye unless I initiate it. Their dad gets a hug. I get nothing, not even "Bye."
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I find it extremely rude. Everything else is okay for the most part as far as showing respect to me and my home so I don't know if it's even worth the battle.
Join the sisterhood
Am I invisible?
Yes, me too! My skids shun me, too – it's part of the universal, toxic passive-aggressive skids’ playbook.
Passive-aggressive individuals use this tactic to gain power and provoke negative reactions from their targets. It's a way for them to devalue or control others. In the case of a stepparent, the skids show the stepparent less enthusiastic greetings in public compared with the bio-parent…and when the stepparent informs the bio-parent about this…we look like ‘the crazy one.’ That’s why it’s such an insidious and effective tactic. The skids know instinctively how dense and willfully ignorant their bio-parents are - they count on it - that's why they get away with these shenanigans.
I counter it by calling it out in front of the bio-parent in a friendly way: “Say, Whittle Johnny, I notice you don’t give me as warm a greeting as you do your bio-parent…”
During school pick-ups, when I was alone with the skid, and the skid ignored me, I didn’t respond. We drive along in silence. After a few times, the skid wanted to talk, and I told her, ' We will talk during dinner’ (when Daddy-cakes is present), so I stopped this skid doing the push-pull with me. My boundary is that we will talk ONLY with your father present during dinner. If I didn't set this boundary, the skid would make small talk with me only to go full force later at the dinner table, expressing herself in such a way with her Daddy-cakes to make me feel like a stranger and left out.
When someone shows you who they are—THE FIRST TIME—believe them and change your behavior to protect yourself.
The skids do it to cause tension between you and your spouse because they know that their bio-parent will defend their shenanigans if you call attention to it. The least you have to do is not let it bother you - don't act like it does.
Only if you tolerate it.
So, jerk a knot in some tails and make sure they all are clear that they will be polite and respectful toward you. Period. Dot.
Make sure that DH is clear that he will be on board with enforcing this on the spawn in the home. As your DH, he owes you to keep his failed family weenus lemurs in the polite and respectful zone.
IMHO of course.
Rags
I know you mean well, and I respect you and your opinion.
If the bio-parent was doing his job, do you think this woman would be here complaining? No.
She's on her own.
So, I would give her advice she could use if she were the only one she could depend on to enforce it.
I don't agree with this. I
I don't agree with this. I don't think people should write off the other parent trying to help so easily. They need to take action. They need to know when their kid is being disrespectful to people. They absolutely need to know this.
If her partner lacks the
If her partner lacks the spine and character to demand respect for his wife from his failed family progeny then only she can make it happen.
Ignoring it does not work. Depending on her DH does not work. So, making it clear to the kids and the husband that it will not happen is the only choice left except for tolerating and ignoring. it.
It Is Rude!
And it's something your DH should be addressing with his kids. So, I suggest a "talk" with your DH to address his poor parenting skills.
My own sweet girl did something like this when she was 16...walked into the house where I had several friends sitting at the kitchen table, visiting. She walked past us without saying a word. Before she stepped out of the kitchen, I said, "Excuse me, can you say hello to my freinds?" Embarrassed her but she quickly self corrected, apologized and greeted everyone. Later she told me how embarrassing it was and she'd never do that again.
^^^THIS^^^
OP, you are correct - this IS rude behavior. We see this sort of thing quite often on the site, and it all goes back to post-divorce crappy parenting.
You need to have a talk with your clueless H, because he's the one who's allowed this. Approach it as you're concerned for the skids' lack of manners and social skills; that being rude to you is bad enough, but if H doesn't start correcting and teaching them to be polite, they will struggle in ALL interpersonal relationships. Point out that good manners are essential for success in the workplace, then maybe circle back and point out that their rudeness and dismissiveness of you hurts AND adversely impacts their relationship with you.
Holding HIM accountable is the way to start effecting change.
Agreed.
It is on your husband to straighten this out. I remember bringing up the fact (again) that YSD loves to talk about her mom...a lot. He defended her, "She's only a kid!" "Nope, she's 32." I think instinct overrode thought. I often wonder how this can be so? He is kind, reasonable, and thoughtful. We could ask: Is the behavior kind? Is the behavior necessary? Is the behavior helpful? No to all three.
I really like your approach of concern for the child/adult. It comes off much better. The underlying message is the same, but delivery is so important for the message to be received.
LOL
I never understand it when parents defend their kid/s saying 's/he's only a kid!' and I laughed out loud when you said she's 32. LOLOL seriously, parents need to start holding their kids accountable for their actions. Once the kid knows right from wrong, that's the time you start holding them accountable. So many people in this world shouldn't have been parents.
Yes!
I know, right? He has told me how she is "independent". Not really, as she receives a lot of "propping up" from grandma (financially) and dad (making appointments, running errands, yard work, etc.). Independent has a different meaning for me. For example, my ex had a mental breakdown after the divorce and has never been the same. My son, age 17 at the time, ran and eventually liquidated his father's business, physically took care of his father, and eventually bought his dad a truck to drive and a cell phone. He is now 24 and an exceptional young man, who still takes care of his father. Another example: My daughter put herself through college and graduated with 2 (4 year) degrees just after turning 20. She has made intelligent career decisions and has an impressive resume. She picked up and moved across the coutry to follow her dreams. She has traveled the world, on her dime. She is smart, savvy, and has direction and goals. Yes, I am a proud mama! (Smile.) I believe this is due to having high standards and holding them accountalbe. I know that if something were to happen to me that my kids would still flourish and that is a great feeling.
Agree
Independence surely has a different meaning to these spoilt, entitled brats. My SD18 is an adult now by definition but she doesn't really want to learn to drive much and is still getting carted back and forth by BM. She likes the idea of independence meaning that she can come home any time she likes but she then retracts that idea by asking the adults in her life to pick her up from a certain event at a time that she prefers. I said to my DH, if she wants to go out and dictate what time she comes home, then she can find her own way home. She doesn't get to just say I want to come home at 10p.m. and you need to pick me up, no way. She can ask, but if she doesn't get it then she can't get upset. If you aren't independent in the sense that you cannot find your own way home, then that means you're not independent and you have to agree to the time that your dad wants to pick you up at. The problem is BM always lets her call the shots, so she thinks she can run an adult's world and do whatever she wants.
When she was 16 she had a part-time job and wanted to work until 9/10p.m. at night and we said, not on the nights you're scheduled to see dad, you can finish latest at 8p.m. (As DH has to then pick her up, drop her off at her mum's and then come home and that all takes 1.5 hour altogether, so the earliest DH would get home is 9p.m.) I wasn't willing to accept DH coming home at 10/11p.m. because it was a weeknight and we get up early for work the next day and we usually go to bed early anyway (it's a bit of a habit too to sleep early). And SD had the audacity to say to DH, 'you're not the only one who has a job now'. Wtf? At the same time though, she won't want to find her own way home and BM wouldn't offer to pick her up on his nights so SD relies on DH to pick her up but has the audacity to put him down and argue with him. Then DH said to her; 'well my job pays for the mortgage and your school fees, so yours come second to mine.' She shut up after that.
From time to time DH tries to make the excuse with me saying they're only kids, and I'm like, uh no, they're not just kids, they're not 5 and 7, they're 16 and 18. One of them is an adult by definition and by now they know right from wrong. You can't always excuse their behaviours, and when would you stop doing that? As evident in your DH who's defending a 32 year old as a child, that is pathetic.
Agreed here! My SDs did this
Agreed here! My SDs did this to me early on (ring leader was then OSD10). DH got on them about it - one of the few things he did. It lasted until the teen years. My YSD says hello when she arrives and I'm in the room, or if I come in and she's there. She says goodbye most of the time, but not always. Always when DH is there.
I always respond or at least am polite to her as well, it's simply being nice to others and an acknowledgement of each other as persons worthy of basic recognition.
Ahhh parenting.
Ahhh parenting.
It is funny how it works when a parent actually parents.
Your DD won the parent lottery with you.
For me, it wasn't the skids i
For me, it wasn't the skids i was invisible to but my SO's family. I would say hello or try to talk to one of them or help with something and it would be like i just wasn't there. No acknowledgement or reply. Didn't even look up at me. Or would pretend not to speak English even though i had heard them on the phone with my SO dozens of times and all their convos were in English. The first time a cousin spoke to me and actually listened to me speak i was like a TV ghost "You can SEE me?!"
Yes!
I understand this because my husband's family treats me with polite indifference. His mother remarked the other day on the phone, "I don't even know Trudie." I can honestly say that it is not for lack of me trying. After reaching out, time after time, with little response and no encouragement, I felt like an idiot and gave up. I am cordial when I see her. Her treatment shows me I am nothing more than her son's wife.
I still ask myself, "Why does this hurt?"
It hurts because your MIL is
It hurts because your MIL is an asshole and you are a good person.
Assholes tend to have no concept of anything but being a self absorbed asshole. Decent good people, feel it when assholes do their shit.
I would call her on it if I were you.
"MIL, I heard you comment to MY husband that you do not even know me. That is because you have ignored me and my every effort to connect for years. Why do you do that? Explain that please."
Not only would I call her out on it, I would do it with your DH and the rest of the family present.
I do not have much use or tolerance for people that are rude and dismissive of someone making an effort. I have had to call out a number of people in my IL clan. Once I do, things correct in a hurry and things tend to stay decent for quite a while. Unfortunately assholes have a relatively short memory and it can take the occassional reset to get their head out of their own ass again. Interestingly because I do it in real time in front of whoever is present when the asshole does their thing, they will more often than not correct the asshole before I have to because they see when I am about to do it. Your DH being present when you correct your MIL will likely get him very focused on making sure you don't have to do it often because he will do it before you have to.
In my experience anyway.
Everyone is different. I do
Everyone is different. I do think you come off as a bit too sensitive. Kids should learn to be polite.. and I'm not sure if you aren't saying hello to them.. and they are ignoring you... or if you just "wait" for the greeting.
I mean, by your post, you say you get along ok.. that they are nice enough to you generally. So, when they come in the room.. say "hi dad".. say "Hi Stepkid 1" Then if they don't respond you point that out to your SO.. "hey.. I think you should remind kids when they are addressed.. they should be responding to that person".
They may also see you and their dad as a "unit".. greeting him means greeting you.
Not every kid looks at their stepparent as a parent.. they may see them as their parent's partner instead. but not necessarily
blood related to them. Now.. as to gifting.. for you it wasn't enough that there were presents "from them".. (even if facilitated by their dad).. but you wanted to have them delivered in a specific way. I mean.. they are kids.. they were excited about the ton of things they got.. that's not abnormal.
And the reality is that they may always have this slightly disconnected feeling with you.. and that doesn't mean they hate you.. but it also doesn't mean you have to keep putting your neck out to be chopped off.
I would try to be more engaging with them.. if that's what you want. Make a point of greeting THEM personally when they come in the room.. before they have a chance to ignore you. If yoiu say hello.. and they say.. "hi dad".. have another question ready for them.. "hey.. how was school today.. are you still going to the gym on thursday.. I'm planning on spagetti tonight.. does that sound good?" make them respond "to" you.. maybe eventually they will fall into more of a habit then?
Or disengage... they aren't "your" kids.. as long as they aren't destructive or actively rude or mean.. maybe step back and don't make such efforts to go and buy all the gifts? let your husband do what HE wants to for his kids.
Sigh, more brilliant ESMOD
Sigh, more brilliant ESMOD wisdom.
I need to just save all of your stuff on a spreadsheet and snip it in instead of going on my usual verbose blather floods
So far, apparently I am no trainable.
Work on that for me please. Using whatever stick you think necessary.
You are blaming the wrong person
[ if you don't demand...you will never get ] even just to break chops
DH is the bio parent... and he's allowing his kids to disrecept you! He should have a talk [first thing] explain he will not stand for third disrecpting of any adult in his home. Your his wife, there SM and they must show respect .
[second ] if this continues, then there will be consequences, No phone for a day, then two days.
'BUT this is DH. job and he's not doing it
Yep, my SDs always did this!
Yep, this is 100% what I experienced too all the time. Especially from my younger SD. And I 100% agree with what Toaster says, they do this deliberately. My SDs are 16 (this year) and 18. My DH has to constantly remind them to say hi to me when they just arrived at the house. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. He also always has to remind them to say goodbye to me. It is pathetic. To the point where I would do the same to them, if they don't say hi to me then I won't say hi and acknowledge them. It is a very rude behaviour. They don't do this when they come and visit DH's parents, or attend any social gathering. They would always say hi and bye to everyone there. So why do they ignore me? I think it is to show that they don't like me or something, but as Toaster pointed out, it is most likely a power play and to make the stepparent feel less (sub-human) and devalued.
In my case it gets to the point where my SDs would not invite me to play any sort of board games even though I'm right in front of them. My SD16 would also constantly offer her dad and her sister to try her food (i.e. ice cream, drinks, fries, etc.) but not me. And they would sit right in front me at the dinner table and ask their dad when his birthday is so that they can put it into their phone diary, but not ask me. Or they'd ask dad what his favourite subject at school is, but not me. I can go on and on with this. And not once ever my DH points this behaviour out to them right when they do it. And the problem is if he points it out afterwards, they would usually just deny it (and therefore makes my DH and I look bad, look crazy).
I, on the other hand, never did that to them. If I offer my DH something, I would offer it to everyone. If I invite one kid to play board game, I would invite the other. And the older they got, the worse this behaviour became.
After a while and with the benefit of hindsight, I think that this behaviour is a type of social bullying and it is called exclusionary behaviours. Imagine if you did this in your friend's group at school, or at work. If say, you ask everyone to come out for lunch, but on purpose leave out one colleague/friend. This would make them feel so crap, as if they are not liked, and that there is something wrong with them, and that's exactly what these kids are doing.
I agree that your DH should be doing more to correct this behaviour. I disagree with ESMOD saying that this is not a behaviour directed to the stepparent and that she's being sensitive. If this kid can be polite to everyone else, and say hello and bye without being prompted, but they cannot be polite to you, then it is definitely something to be sensitive about. It is definitely a behaviour that is just directed to you. And letting DH ignore this behaviour means letting his kids constantly be rude and letting his kids bully his wife. That is not normal.
Kids, especially those who are older, need to start being held accountable for their actions. Parents shouldn't just ignore and wish these behaviours would go away and that they'll get better with time. They haven't in my case, in fact, they'd gotten worse and I think that DH is all to blame.
It's SHUNNING,
and it's ABUSIVE.
Yes!
I like that you are leading by example!
Agreed, I don't think this is a sensitivity issue. It is abusive behavior that should not be permitted. A hard stop needs to happen.
Rather than treat them in kind
Rather than treat them in kind to how they treat you, escalate and confront their rudeness and dismissive behavior toward you. "Hello Skid!". "Oh, my favorite color is XYZ LMNOP." "My birthday is MM/DD. Go ahead and add it to your calendar while you are adding your dad's" etc.....
Confidently ,slightly too loud ,and with a pointed slant of tone and body language.
Then point it out to daddy right then and there. "DH, why do you think it is that your kids are rude and dismissive of me even when you and I are together with them? Hmmm^mmm?" In front of them and anyone else present.
I would.
If that puts them on their toes and makes them on edge, so mote it be.
Haha
Yeah, this is definitely how I would to react from this point onwards with his kids, if they ever want to make it up with DH and start coming again (I truly hope they don't though, LOL, and no sympathy for DH, he's made his bed with how he would always let his kids act around me, so he can now lay on it - and don't worry, he knows how I feel). I never realised I have tolerated this kind of unacceptable behaviours for so long, and I have gotten used to being treated this way for his kids to the point where I also make an excuse for them, thinking that's just the way they are, and that they'll be gone before I even know it. With the benefit of hindsight, I think I know now that it is not an acceptable behaviour, and I certainly don't intend to let that happen in my house anymore.
All depends on how much kids are with you.
If SK live primly with you. I would demand respect. They would be grounded with out electronics until they learn. If EOWE then disengage. Totally. No trips, no going out with them. Or taking them anyplace. Until either they respect you or stop coming over. You don't need visitation from disrespectful kids. SO can see his kids at McDonald
'no reason to try to keep peace in your marriage. Your DH is letting this disrespect to go on. HE in fact is disrespecting you also. I don't know how you can live this way.
Great stuff Harry.
Great stuff Harry.
Though IMHO Skids engage the SParent respectfully without fail. Whether they are there all of the time, or nearly never. Just as they should their BP whether they are a resident kid or a visiting kid.