Bioparents, We Do NOT Want Your Grown Kids As Roommates
What cr@ck are these delusional bioparents smoking when they think we want their sloppy lazy spawns in our space beyond the age of 18?
Its more than enough dealing with their b*llsh*t through the age of adulthood but till infinity???
NO!!!
H3ll f*cking NO!
Not enough money, d*ck, promises/hopes/dreams would make me ever want to live with someone's able-bodied ADULT kid.
If a teen decides not to live in a dorm/go to college then they better get a JOB and a ROOMATE.
And I don't do roommates bc I'm too grown for that mess.
Tired of maladjusted bioparents thinking they get to make others be inconvenienced by their sh*tty parenting
(T minus 3 weeks.....*bomb*)
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This is a toughie for me. All
This is a toughie for me. All 3 boys, 2 mine-1his, had the option of lving here again as long as 1. it was needed, 2. they were working, 3. it was a set time, 4. they payed a small amount of rent/utilities/food. My two took us up on it, his didn't need to. But even though they were mine, they weren't a big burden.
Like anything else in step-landia, it can work if the circumstances are right. Just because they're steps doesn't mean they're not loved and wanted or helped.
I think so many stepparents
I think so many stepparents feel that way because the skids are just unpleasant to be around. When a kid isn't raised properly, they tend to be unpleasant. When a parent is operating out of fear of losing the kid or out of competition with the other parent, they tend to spoil the kids, not teaching them basic things it takes to be a functioning member of the household. How many complaints do we get about skids taking over common spaces of the house, making constant nonsense noises and not being corrected? Stepparents think of it as spoiling because they have to suffer due to their partner prioritizing just breathing the same air as the kid over the comfort of the stepparent but the parents also aren't teaching their kid basic life and social skills. I see it as a form of neglect and i also feel sorry for the skids. They probably go through life feeling that others don't like them and wondering why.
How many complaints do we get
OMG This!!!
I agree with this but at the
I agree with this but at the same time I think, not just in this group but as a whole, no matter what the SKiddos get a bad rap.
It's true that people tend to
It's true that people tend to be less tolerant of stepkids than their own bio kids. I try to be conscious of that if something annoys me with one of SO's kids, or if one of my kids does something that would annoy me if it were a skid. Behavior does make a difference, though. SO's son at 19 is a positive presence in his home. SO's daughter at 19 was chaos and drama. Being able to see the difference between 2 skids, objectively with no "bio blinders" or "step prejudice" was enlightening and is helping shape how i deal with my own bio kids.
I myself am guilty of it. But
I myself am guilty of it. But luckily (or not) my youngest kind of call me on my shit one day and reminded me that he and his brother acted worse at times when they were his age (10 yrs between my youngest and his son) and I needed to stop my shit. He was right, just don't tell him it will go to his head. I took a look at myself and got over myself.
I agree about not treating
I agree about not treating steps differently
All the rules I ramble about on here .... my kid is able to do
His kids....the bar is set frustratingly LOW
My kid is taking option of going to college and living in dorms. I've prepared her for this for at least 2 years, she's worked a job in between school and athletics and volunteering
If Disneyland dad was on the same page as me and knew his kids were not going to college then I think he should prepare them NOW ... work from 15-18 and save / safely invest 100% then voila rent payments or down payment on a house plus 1-2 roommates.
His kids don't do sh*t but lay around and get coddled and pampered. These are not the skids you'd want to live with indefinitely
Thankfully you are leaving so
Thankfully you are leaving so it’s not going to be a concern for you. I think it would be different if you had a partner who loved and respected you and who actually parented their children and had realistic expectations of their kids. DH and I were in agreement that any of the kids (including Spawn) could stay living with us as long as they were productive, either with school or a job.
You being on the same page as
You being on the same page as your spouse is key.
My elderly mother (who is quiet, generous, has a car, retirement check, cooks, cleans) needed a place to stay for a couple months and we let her but I charged her very cheap rent like $50/month, cooked for this dude and bought groceries. He had no problem benefiting from her efforts yet he was ready to get rid of her after his strict deadline of 2 months but apparently his loud clingy needy lazy a$$ kids with nothing to offer can stay until the end of time.
The blatant hypocrisy and delusions of grandeur is what grinds my gears
Agreed. This will soon be a moot point. Once this is over, under 25 kids is a dealbreaker for me. Just don't want to even take that risk wasting my youth figuring out if bio parents raising their kids well or not.
"Just don't want to even take
"Just don't want to even take that risk wasting my youth figuring out if bio parents raising their kids well or not."
I think you already know the answer to that question.
Willful stupidity and chosen blindness.
A good kid is one you recognize when you see one.
A POS kid is one that the idiot parent has to continually labor to ignore their shit.
Sure, a kid who needs additional time and support can be a good kid. The litmus test is does shit kid behavior have to be ignored to maintain a delusional facade that they are just a misunderstood "good" kid.
The answer is not anything but yes or no.
My kid was one who needed more time. We made him earn that extra time every second of every extra day.
The other side of the coin and more critical is when the kid is unquestionably a POS and parents are willfully licking The Emporer's New Clothes virus and bury their head in the litter box of POS kid stench and do not solve the problem.
It is not only SKids. It is not only blended family member adults.
It's All In How They Are Raised
I'm with Rumple and her comment above. I've had multiple young adults live with us for short times, all good reasons and DH and I were happy to help them out because ALL were wonderful guests, helping in the house and yard, being respectful and polite.
DHs kids can never live here because, as kids/teens, they came here, did nothing, disrespected everyone in the home, rarely spoke to me, caused drama, etc. They carried those behaviors into adulthood which is why I'm now completely disengaged from DHs kids and have zero contact with them.
It's nothing about them being SKs...it's all about them being such disrespectful and nasty human beings.
I agree completely!
I am 100% on board with this! I know this can be controversial because today in this age people think "kids just need to figure it out in their 20's and not rush growing up and rely on their parents to give them the room, support and resources to figure it out."
I think this can only really apply to kids that are actually TRYING and not just expecting their parents to do everything for them and put up with laziness and complacency.
I told my DH that if SD12 is not doing at least ONE of the following that she's out at 18, luckily he agrees and is on board:
1.) Working FULL time and diligently saving for her own place.
2. Going to college FULL time AND getting good grades.
3.) Going to college part time AND working part time while saving and getting good grades.
I refuse to enable laziness and low effort. I don't have high hopes for my SD because she is a total wimp, lazy, low effort, filthy, gets bad grades, immature, can't take any criticism, entirely too soft/sensitive/cries at everything.
Part of me can't wait until we get to that point when she's 18 and inevitably has no real plan and thinks she'll just coast by living under our roof with no real responsibility and then we both say "Nope don't think so. Here are your choices, or leave."
I admit I will certainly get some satisfaction out of it and to see her held accountable and be forced to figure it out will be life changing. Hopefully in a good way for her.
Your criteria are the same as
Your criteria are the same as mine. My SO's son is 19 and lives with him. He goes to school, works, and helps transport his brother. He is also a benign presence in the home. SO's daughter is 4 years older and when she was that age, it was constant screaming crying fits over BS, sneaking out, drugs, and SS's school fundraiser money mysteriously disappeared. It really does depend on the kid. My kid is a senior and we are trying to figure out what comes next. Loafing is not on the table.
Same Here
Great expectations to have in place.
DHs youngest daughter wanted to live with us at 20 years old. We gave those same rules as you have. Per her older sister, she needed time to "find herself." My reply: she can find herself while she works and is a viable part of the family. She changed her mind. 11 years later, she's still trying to "find herself." SMH
My son found out a lot about
My son found out a lot about himself working menial jobs. Nobody will find themself while sitting at home doing nothing.
Yeah.... the grades is a big
Yeah.... the grades is a big thing. If Little Idiot still lived with us, I would be going crazy even though she's in college. She's not getting good grades, not progressing in her program, not taking it seriously and causing delays by procrastinating.... Yeah just being "in college" is not enough. If they are lazy and sneaky enough, they can be in college until 30.
In college until 30? .... I resembled that remark.
If they are lazy and sneaky
or they can work jobs but make so little (have no drive to achieve more) that they always need their life subsidized by bioparents and step parent
So true
I knew once Ss23 lived with us past 18, and there didn't seem to be a plan to leave, that this was something I couldn't do with Ss18. Ss23 always had excuses for why he couldn't save, he loved to use his mom as an excuse (I never believed him, I think he just never wanted to admit that he partied all his money away).
He thought that because he paid us 400 a month, it gave him the right to bring his guy friends over and smoke and drink with them in the basement. He even pretty much moved his gf into the basement without our knowledge. It was excruciating to get him out.
Ss18 was supposed to finish high school. I told him I'd be open to him staying as long as he either went to college full time, or part time with a part time job. He didn't want to do either.
Let me add that both of them were very much like bumps on logs. Ss23 knew how to cook a couple things but never really cooked for us regularly, nor did he really help out besides the few hundred we had to force him to give to us. Ss18 refused to learn how to cook. He'd wait until we got home from work, and would wait around to see if I ordered take out or if DH would ask him if he wanted him to cook for him. It used to annoy me that DH would come home from work and cook especially for Ss18, especially because SS cut school a lot and wasn't working, so it's not like he was sooo busy with his day.
Needless to say, if they had been more useful/helpful or not wanting to steal/get high in the house, it could have worked.
I've noticed that a lot of parents don't see an issue with a child growing into an adult and doing nothing at home, because like another poster noted, the transition doesn't occur in their brain that it's not a child anymore, it's a whole adult mooching off of you.
And a lot of these kids seem to know who the weak parent is and tend to want to stay with them. Because they know they can take advantage.
I fully expect Dd8 to finish High school and then, college. If not, military, or she can take some time to travel. But she sure as hell isn't welcome to stay doing nothing at home. If she wants to stay without getting a real job, she'll have to do our laundry, mop, sweep, vacuum, grocery shopping, make me breakfast and dinner, and make herself scarce and out of my place when I need intimacy. That's my rules.
He thought that because he
THIS!!!!
This is why if I dealt with step-life (which I won't after this) Id give them the boot at 18 period.
The only reason Disneyland parents freak out is because from ages 15-18 when they could have been raising their kids right (getting jobs, saving, investing, being good roommates during this age) .... they did NOTHING and let their kids lay around like bumps on logs.
Now they want to be scared their kid is gonna be homeless and can't hack it in life (just how the Disneyland bio parents couldn't hack it as an Effective parent) and now the unsuspecting partner (aka step parent) has to inconvenience themselves indefinitely
NO!
all this in a nutshell
you are right lilly! spot on
Little Idiot never helped
Little Idiot never helped with anything around the house. She never cooked, cleaned or contributed any money. The once or twice I tried to get her to do a chore, which was a massive struggle in itself, she did a seriously half-a job. (And of COURSE DH thought it was a good job and so didn't back me up ... but, you know, if I had ever done such a shotty job he would have complained)
Yup. At any given time every
Yup. At any given time every one of my SO's kids lived with him after turning 18. I was so thankful I had my OWN house. The BM and step father would always kick them out. My SO was always saying "I can't let them live out on the STREETS!!!"
Exactly! The bio parents try
Exactly! The bio parents try to guilt you into housing their obnoxious spawns.
Worse is when adult skids live with you still running bb&c services, lazy not doing anything, no deadline to leave, s3x ing in your house, now you're housing them and the step grandkids and have 3 generations up in your home.
As soon as the BM stops
As soon as the BM stops receiving child support she'll send them to live with their father.
I was fortunate. DW was not going to let her parenting of SS
fail without a fight to the last possible minute. Her/Our job was to get him to launch. It was up to him to finish growing up on his own dime and on his time after that. If he had done what we required, he would have remained in our home and we would have covered his University costs, or we would have covered his dorm, meal plan, and University costs.
Once he declined that, he was our live in unpaid beck-&-call chore bitch until he left for USAF BMT 8mos and 8days after his 18th Bday. We were not going to kick him out. He had no skills, no resources, and he did graduate from HS on time. The threat of the homeless camp was if he did not graduate. He graduated. DW and I discussed how we were going to get him to launch while keeping him from running to splash in the shallow and polluted end of his gene pool. We were lucky that we raised him well enough to recognize that he did not want how his SpermIdiot and the SpermClan lived.
Lillywy00
I forbid you to ever get involved with a man with kids again. You are not SO material. At least you know it now. And getting out before you destroy your life any more then it has. It's nothing to be a shame of, it's more of a revolution.. That you want your life to go in that direction you want it to go in Someday in future life. Maybe you can have a bio kid and spoil it to death. Have real fun being a parent.
Dang Harry lol
Dang Harry lol ... trust me I won't after this because I don't want to live with kids that I have no authority over in my own home. If I can't tell your kid to be quiet, go to your room after 10pm, clean up what you messed up, let me show you how to be independent, let me show you how to be a good spouse one day, let me show you how to give back to your community, ......then no I do not want to live with your kid
Its not the kids per say .....it's their sh*t for brains parents and their conniving ex partners
I'm not the parenting expert but it grinds my gears to see excessively coddled snowflake kids (especially male children) knowing their worthless parents held them back in life and undoing the mess is an uphill struggle that I don't have the energy for as a stepparent to battle these militant yet lackadaisical parents
You are right I am getting out so every weekend of my life isn't revolves around irritating parental behaviors
If I had a partner who had the same parenting style as me maybe it would have been easier
The people here who said they didn't mind skids living with them after 18 was because their partner was on the same page
Me and this dude are parallel parenting/stepparenting because our parenting styles are so different
I do not have BKs. I like to think that I detest all ill
behaved spawn appropriately to their behavior. As well as appreciating and celebrating well behaved spawn.
Whether I am related to them in any way... or not.
I have assertively corrected my brothers kids, my IL's kids, the ill behaved spawn of my friends, and my own SS/Son. And even the ill behaved spawn of strangers that pollute public places with their behavioral crap.
Though logically it does pass the smell test that it would be easier to ignore an ill behaved spawn if they were my BK.
Though that test will remain one that never is given.
Totally agree!! I think
Totally agree!! I think sometimes it can be a case by case basis. But this totally applies to SD13. She has zero asiprations to go to college. She doesn't clean up after herself and constantly asks for money. No way I would want to live with her after she turns 18. She can get a job, go to beauty school (or whatever), and get a roommate! I'm not going to house a lazy young adult with no plans to launch.
I think it's totally different if a kid is getting a degree, helping around the house, paying "rent" etc. But this would not be the case for SD13.
DH and I talk about moving to the beach to be closer with family once SD turns 18. Currently, I don't think he's delusional enough to think I would buy a house with her still living with us. Also, I don't think she would want to. When she is at BMs she only texts DH to ask him to order her something off Amazon. Time will Tell I guess!
I am chuckling at this
I am chuckling at this majorly!
My BS17 will be going to college about 4 hrs from me but only 30 mins from his dad.They don't have freshman dorm requirements so his dad wants him to live with him and SM. Keep in mind that thanks to his dad's disablity with the military, BS will have 0 college costs and dorms will be covered. If he lives with his dad, there would be a monthly stippend instead, but regardless- no cost to live either in an apartment or dorms.
SM DOES NOT want BS17 to live with them. I don't blame her. She has 3 younger kids- middle school to toddler in her house. BS is not known for being clean, no matter how much I try to get him to have a routine, I am always on his butt. The ADD is strong with that one. I full believe that he needs to move out and have the college experience, roommates, other people that he has to deal with! He does not need to live at home or at his dads.
But it is making me chuckle that exH is pushing for it to the point SM has called me to make sure I am pushing for dorms or apartments lol - seriously can't blame her at all!
Do you think your ex wants
Do you think your ex wants him to live there to help with the younger kids or to help him at home (depending on how disabled he is?) It seems that if the cost is the same, having him live on campus would be better for him.
BS17 isn't disabled. That is
BS17 isn't disabled. That is SS23.
I'm honsestly not sure why he wants him to live there! It certainly isn't what is best for BS!
He just wants to show you
He just wants to show you that he can "raise" him better than you. Someone should tell him that the kid is 18 and the job's already done.
Oh, i was confused. I thought
Oh, i was confused. I thought you said he had college paid for due to his dad's military disability. Like, the dad wants help at home due to a disability.
SM DOES NOT want BS17 to live
This is one reason I had too.
Like IF the dude had acted like a viable partner, IF he was marriage worthy and IF we had a kid together .... I did not want behavior after 18 making home life more difficult with younger kids it would be even more stressful trying to tolerate Disneyland beck n Call for adults
This dude here has a B. Beck n Call service will be rendered inoperable when it's not in my home and those kids have their own life their own space.
Booting them out at 18 means Disneyland (in your home) is over. Peace is restored and don't have to continuously argue about someone's kids behavior affecting your home sanctuary
Anyhow I'm booting myself so I can have peace in my home way before both his clingy messy loud kids turn 18 which is so far away
I don't agree with booting
I don't agree with booting anyone out at 18, especially in this economy. However, for my son who will be going to college- why on God's green Earth would he go live at his dad's??
Dorm life would be so
Dorm life would be so beneficial for your son. It helps you feel connected to the campus, you make friends, everyone around you is immersed in the college life, you can access campus resources day/night, teaches independence and getting along with others. And it's FUN. I highly recommend it.
I went several hours away
I went several hours away when I went to university. My brother decided to save money by staying at home has often said it was one of his greatest regrets.
I wouldn’t
. I wouldn't just boot them out to the streets either. But I would be proactive. If I can foresee they might be slackers, slow to launch, lazy, etc then I would work with them way before 18 and the expectation would be set to either live in dorms or live in apt/house with roommates or some sort of adult living facility (if they're mentally/physically disabled)
I'll help how I can.....remotely IF they need it
The 18-25 yo can come back on college breaks or what not. the elderly who helped raise me can come back if they want something comfortable end of life.
Of course I might soften up and buy a house with a guest house but I absolutely do not want other people especially able bodied adults in my space for extended / indefinite periods of time. Especially if they're gonna aggravate the h3ll out of me by thinking they can do wtf they want to do with no consideration to me as the home ownwer.
We did not kick SS out at 17/18. Though he was petrified we
would. I think at heart he knew we had his back and were parenting him to launch into his own adult life. He had watched his mom bust her butt his entire life to give him/them a good life and not get sucked into the SpermClan cesspool or DW's family quest for barely surviving.
It was a challenging balance for his mom and me to make sure he was safe, warm, and fed while keeping the heat stoked on the burning platform to launch into his adult life.
At some point, failed family members cannot be tolerated to suck resources from those who are not abject failures.
An interesting stance that we saw when we were living overseas was the shock that friends we made in those countries had when we refused to send money to my MIL and FIL or DW's sibs when they were on the verge of destitution and were crying that their kids were hungry. That DW and I were succeeding and not giving our resources to my ILs was shocking to our Asian and ME friends. They had zero clarity that giving them money only allowed them to continue to make poor decisions.
The cultural differences between our perspective and their dedicated and naive waste of resources on their families was something that both sides could not come to common ground on. Though we were closer than they were. DW and I agreed that if family is in true need though not as a result of repeated bad decisions, we would of course help. Though since their need was entirely caused by their repeatedly doing the same things we would not help. Our local international friends felt we were cruel.
We would of course help our son. Though he would would not get to be a sofa rodeo rider with no required contribution or effort to GTF out.