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Invisible Woman's picture

We’ve been having an ongoing battle with SS(11, turns 12 this summer) over the phone and calling BM and BM’s relatives who all live in another country with a 10 hour time difference.

How do other families handle this? SS is with us full time, there’s no phone time in the CO and the time difference makes it so difficult to find a time when everyone is available.

When he first came to live with us full time earlier this year, DH and I were pretty accommodating due to the situation and let him call BM whenever he wanted to so he would be less anxious over what was happening. But that racked up a huge phone bill. BM doesn’t have a cell phone, doesn’t have a job and is living with various relatives. Sometimes its hard to track her down. She can’t afford to help pay for any of this.

After a few months of monster international long distance bills, DH said it had to stop and told BM that she needs to have access to a computer with Skype, to call us on Sunday mornings (our time, which works with her time) and SS and her can have a weekly call. DH also mandated that he has to be present for the calls, since he wants to know what is going on and that all calls need to be English so he can understand what’s being said and also because if BM wants to insist on using one-parent-one-language then in his house it’s English. (this woman refused to speak English at all to SS in her home to “protect” her native language.)

But SS got in the habit of getting up in the middle of the night and calling BM or ending up calling around trying to find her and talking to other relatives. These weren’t quick 5 minute calls. SS would sometimes talk for over an hour. BM and her relatives knew he was doing this, knew what time it was for him and didn’t put a stop to it. They just kept talking and racking up huge bills. Once we saw the phone bills, DH put an end to it by taking the cordless phone from downstairs into our room when we went to bed. Then SS started using my cell phone without permission in the middle of the night to call. I was absolutely livid and now both DH and I have blocked international calls completely on our cell phones.

The problem with SS is that he’s incredibly stubborn and he has to have it his way or else he gives up and won’t do anything. When he doesn’t get what he wants, he refuses to cooperate. Now that DH has stopped his late night phone calls and is enforcing the rules with the Skype calls, SS is refusing to talk to BM on Skype.

He wouldn’t come downstairs for this morning’s call and BM went completely off on DH about what’s been going on. Then DH got pissed off and yelled at SS, but that never does any good.

We were suppose to go to a birthday party this afternoon, but that’s off now. Probably all of our Memorial Day plans will be ruined because SS is hunkering down in his room refusing to leave.

I don’t have any idea how to fix this situation or if there even is a solution. DH and BM have a very high conflict relationship (they were never married and they truly hate each other). It’s not helping that SS is spending every day waiting to hear what’s going in with all of his BM’s problems. She’s always told him absolutely everything that was going on. We’ve tried to tell him that he needs to just let the adults deal with their issues and if something happens with his BM’s situation that he needs to know about, then she can tell DH and DH can tell him.

His therapist has said he should have the ability to have constant phone contact with BM, but that’s not practical (with the time difference, especially on school days) and how that is a constant disruption to our family.

At this point, SS is going to be staying with us for the foreseeable future. There’s no way SS can live with his BM the way her life is. SS wants to stay in the US and not move overseas but also wants his BM to come back here, which isn’t going to happen. The more phone contact he has with his BM, the less he’s going to come to terms with with his BM living overseas and him living with us.

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Invisible Woman's picture

That's what I think we're coming to. His BM can't send him anything. She's broke and can't even afford a place to live.

It's cheaper to just rely on Skype than a phone card. The problem is we give him a cell phone or phone card, then DH can't monitor how he uses it or what he's saying.

We tried setting up a reward system where he could get phone minutes, but he never did anything necessary to get minutes even when we reminded him about it and made it brain-dead easy for him to get them.

Chances are if we gave him a phone card, he wouldn't use it. He only wants to sneak around behind our backs and call when he wants to. If DH gives him something, he won't use it.

Then BM comes back at DH that he won't let SS talk to her.

Invisible Woman's picture

Because he wants to know what they are saying and to prevent BM from continuing bashing him to his son.

Madam Hedgehog's picture

this is a huge mess and i have no suggestions, especially without knowing more about the court order. by the sound of things, i might cut off all contact with bm for a while. your ss is old enough to know that his behavior is unacceptable. additionally, if bm and her family aren't helping ss adjust to your household (which they obviously are not by allowing him to call at all hours, etc) then they are not invested in your SS's best interest.

i'm also interested in knowing why your dh needs to monitor the phone calls and skype calls. have you had trouble with PAS or is something else going on?

Invisible Woman's picture

If I could put SS on a plane to BM's country, I would. I want him gone. We've asked him if he wants to go and SS said "no". He wants to stay in the US and BM to come back here. That's not going to happen any time soon. Sending him there for the summer might be ok but flights are expensive but at this point I don't care what it costs. If he was there during the school year he probably would have to go to an international school which is also expensive. I'm not sure about other relatives he could stay with there. He might be able to stay with BM's cousin. I know her parents have a 1 bedroom apartment so that's out.

Invisible Woman's picture

Yes, BM's work visa expired and had to leave the US. She's at the point of deciding to stay in her native country, moving to her boyfriend's native country or just waiting things out and keep trying to get a visa or job in the US that would help her with a visa.

12yrstepmonster's picture

I think I'd take the high road here:

How would DH want to be treated if the roles were reversed.
Obviously there is an issue with PAS. But this kids life has been turned upside down.

From the boys point of view you are keeping his mom from him.
Also seems that he wants a relationship with his mom that isn't controlled.

Unless the counselor has suggested monitored phone calls I would ease up on the monitoring. Give the boy some freedom as to when they can Skype. Email, Facebook. I would sit SS down and show him the costs, and then have him help work out a solution. Have him help solve the problem.

oneoffour's picture

I would sit him down and tell him because he abused his phone privileges then for the next 3 months his access to his mother is by Skype only. If he CHOOSES not to skype with her then he will miss out for that week. Every Sunday his father will get it set up with his mother. If he chooses not to to come when he is called (and his mother will see and hear his father calling him) then he misses out until next week. And his mother will think he doesn't want to talk to her.

When he has completed 3 months of skyping he will get one extra call a week on a phone card. And when his money is up, that is done.

The situation is a tough one. His mother wants to skype with him yet he is being a stobborn little shit. So let him. He abused his phone privileges, his loss. Hand him a pad of paper and pen, envelopes and stamps. He can write or skype. These are his options.