Does your BF/DH EVER enforce ANY rules/consequences with skids? Am I crazy? Thinking of leaving...need ADVICE!! UPDATE!!
OK, so for the most part, I have successfully disengaged from skids & how BF is raising them with his "lack of parenting" style. However, I am really starting to think that these BF's/DH's are just plain insane when it comes to their little angels. Do any of you ever experience anything similar and does it make you feel as crazy as it makes me feel? Like YOU'RE the "bad guy"?
I've been dating BF for 6 years (living with him for over 2 years) - he's divorced with 2 kids (SD15 & SS12) which he shares equal 50/50 custody with his exW/BM. I have no biokids. Some examples of what I'm living with:
1. SD15 (turns 16 in a few months) has no chores, has no job, has no incentive to do ANYTHING to help around the house. Every day she leaves her bedroom looking like a tornado hit it. She leaves dirty dishes in sink. She leaves food wrappers in bedroom, makeup all over bedroom rug, clothes strewn everywhere. She NEVER, EVER makes her bed. Simply put, I love her and treat her lovingly - but she's a LAZY SLOB that spends all day, every day, texting her friends, laying in bed watching TV, etc...
2. SD15 just "tells" BF what she is doing, SHE NEVER ASKS. As a matter of fact, BF asks HER what she's doing!!
Example of typical conversation/texts between BF & SD15: BF: "OK, so what are you doing?" SD15: "I'm sleeping over Judy's house (not real name) tonight.". BF: "OK, love you.". Next day: BF: "OK, so what are you doing?" SD15: "Pick me up at 4:00 and bring me home to shower & change, then bring me to Donna's" BF: "OK".
3. BF never follows-up/checks up on SD15 to confirm she's actually sleeping over (or going to) where she SAYS she is. He just assumes she's ALWAYS telling the truth about what she's doing. Example: Recently the high school had an overnight fundraiser, SD15 tells BF she's going and when BF ASKS her what time she's coming home, she says she doesn't know. Then when BF attempts to give her boundaries/curfew, she just gets around it. Example: BF: "You have to come home from the fundraiser by 12:00 (midnight)." SD15: "But DAADDY EVERYONE is staying up all night.". His cell phone rings at 11:30 p.m. "I'm sleeping over Judy's house - her mom is picking us up.". BF doesn't even question what TIME Judy's mom is coming, never talks to any friends parents to CONFIRM she's actually sleeping over there, nothing. She has a boyfriend, by the way, who lives within walking distance of our house, BM's house and the school. Hmmm.....
4. SD15 has been failing math for 2 years in a row now (9th & 10th grades) and has failed science all year this year, too. BF does absolutely NOTHING about it. Threatens to take cell phone away, but never does. Threatens that she'll have to go to summer school & that she'll have to walk there, but she doesn't care. Literally NO PUNISHMENT.
5. When SD15 was about 13 or 14, she dated a 19 yr old guy for about 6 months and never told BF. Everyone else (including BM) knew, except for BF & I. She hid it from BF. I found out through a mutual family friend that BM was allowing this and actually allowing SD then 13 or 14 to be picked up by this boyfriend from BM's house & would let SD just drive around with him for hours. I also found out that BM warned SD that if she EVER told her father about this boyfriend, that my BF would "take her away" from BM for good, so make sure she doesn't tell him. Hmmm....wonder what a 19 yr old guy wants from a 13 or 14 year old girl for hours in his car?? Oh, and by the way, I ended up breaking this news to BF when I found out - and what did BF do to SD then 13 or 14 about it (and BM)? Basically nothing. Yelled at/confronted BM over the phone a little about it, but BM managed to lie her way out of it ("oh, no, they aren't dating or anything - they're just FRIENDS."). BF never mentioned it again. No consequence, no punishment.
SD15 is generally a respectful girl, but BF just lets her do whatever she wants. She literally has no "healthy fear" of punishment from BF, no response to the fact that she's failing out of high school, nothing.
Oh, and the few times that I DO give BF my input about where all of this may lead, it just leads to fights between us & he just says the usual lines that everyone else here seem to hear from their DH/BFs:
"I'll take care of it. Don't worry about it."
"Let me handle it"
"Why do you get yourself all worried about it? She's my daughter."
"You don't understand, you don't have kids."
Blah, blah, blah.
Oh, and this past weekend, he says: "I think I'll buy SD15 a new car for her high school graduation, what do you think?" Then we get into argument #80756347 (because I feel that major items should be EARNED by SD, good grades, working hard, etc...and I tell him this) and he says "I don't even know why I asked you - you're always so negative.".
Grrrr...
Any takers out there? I guess I'm still working on disengaging 100%. There's so many more examples, but this post is already way too long. Thanks for those who have read this far.
I'm tired of all of this and I'm really considering walking away...after 6 years.
UPDATE: I had a talk with BF about this and it went surprisingly well!! He agreed that BOTH skids (SD15 AND SS12) will be given specific chores to do & to be required to help out more around the house. Of course, how & when this is implemented, I will keep all of you posted.
One hint, though...when I spoke to BF, I didn't phrase the problem in terms of skids & their obvious laziness/spoiled behavior at all (no negativity about them, because he would've immediately gotten defensive about his "angels"). I took a different angle/approach - and it worked!! I told him that it would be better for US if we had more HELP with the household chores, etc... and that we bust our butts working long hours to work to pay for a nice house for us & skids, only to have to spend ALL OUR FREE TIME doing household work (i.e. cleaning, dishes, laundry, lawn mowing, etc...). That NOW is the time to have skids help US now that they're "growing up" and old enough to help alleviate some of that from us (funny, in MY mind they've been OLD ENOUGH to help us YEARS AGO!! lol).
He even agreed with me when I said that we should teach SD15 how to do laundry and he even suggested MAKING A SIGN to post at the washer/dryer REMINDING SD15 how to do laundry (dark colors, whites, etc...) in case she forgets when we're not at home!!
OH MY GOD I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK AND DIE RIGHT THEN AND THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :jawdrop:
There is HOPE, ladies, there is HOPE for me...and for all of us!! Gently, slowly, wait...wait, move forward a little more, NOT TOO MUCH, wait, slowly, gently, pause..ok slowly, .........
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Wow, that's a dangerous road
Wow, that's a dangerous road she's headed down and your BF has done nothing about it? Scary. Sit him down and have him watch "16 and Pregnant" on MTV one day, because it sounds like that is where your SD is headed.
Have you tried to sit with BF and come up with some house rules for the skids? Or come up with your own list of rules, and tell him exactly WHY you think each rule should be in place.
Other than that, I think disengaging is the only other option. I know it's hard, but if he wants to raise her this way, then HE will have to deal with the consequences of her actions, not you. So when there's trouble in the future, you give him the old "I told you so" routine. His kids, his problem.
I don't really have any
I don't really have any advice but just wanted you to know that you are not alone. I have SS12 and SS14 that really do whatever they want. My DH threatens to take their phones or their IPODS away but never does. He does make them wash off their dishes once in awhile or bring their dirty clothes down. He doesn't do this because he wants too - he does it because he knows I get annoyed with them. I would say it has gotten a little bit better. But still when they go to their moms, I'm in their rooms making their beds, grabbing the dirty towels, picking up garbage and whatever else. The kids nowadays are SPOILED. They think all they have to do is watch TV, text their friends, play their video games. Maybe you guys could make a list of your expectations and then share it with the girls??? It sounds like they need to take some responsibility.
I could have written this
I could have written this blog almost word for word. Needless to say, I know exactly what you are feeling and going through. I have disengaged from SD16 to the extent to keep my sanity but honestly there seems to be daily issues that effect my house that I tend to find myself getting angry still,, such as,,,,this past saturday SD16 is getting ready to walk out the door and DH ask her "where are you doing",, she replies "Im going to a graduation party",,, DH "who's,, oh okay bye". Where is the respect in that??!! She lays in her smelly room all day now that school is out,, sleeps all day up all night,,,Thinks the kitchen is like a 24 hour open invite,, finally last night I told her after she woke me up at midnight making her third sandwich for the night, she is not to be in the kitchen past ten. She smarted off that she would "Try to keep that in mind next time". Try hell, you better remember it is what I was thinking.
My SD16 lives with us full time. I also have a BD16 and BD13. So when they see SD16's rules differ then theirs such as chores, curfrews, resepct of asking do things, cleaning up after self, helping mow the yard, it causes lots of conflicts and honestly Im to the point where I have had enough. My BD16 has a job, active and doing things all day, SD16 has not even attempted to get out of her room and look for a job because she is lazy and daddy dearest keeps passing her spending and gas money.
I wish you luck and am here if you need me. I have seen that alot of the issues at hand are the faults of the DH's and the guilt parenting. I dont see things in my home changing because I dont see my DH wanting to do what is right because it would inflict some pain on his daughter (can't have that).
sunshine, thank you SO much
sunshine, thank you SO much for your kind words and support...there's something about knowing that someone else out there knows exactly what you're going through and feeling.
It's a constant struggle - some days I'm "strong" and know that I can & am willing to do whatever is necessary to stop the insanity with BF and his guilt-parenting. Other days (like the day I posted this), I feel like just giving up and walking away, all the while saying to myself "How the hell did I get myself INTO something like this in the FIRST place?" It's on days like those that I don't see anything changing in my home, either.
I have a new attitude today - back to the old Milomom mantra "You will only be treated the way you ALLOW yourself to be treated". I will be putting that mantra into motion from this point on and I'll report my progress to you.
I agree with you, though, almost all of these issues are 100% the faults of the DH's/BF's and the guilt parenting. You know what? That's just something he's going to have to change if he wants this relationship with me to work!! After all the sacrifice & hard work we put into these relationships/marriages, it's about time that the sacrifice be reciprocated - it's called mutual love and respect.
Milomom, I've read some of
Milomom,
I've read some of your posts in the last months and really appreciated things you've had to say. I'm pretty new to the whole steplife thing, coming up on my 2nd year of living with my fiance and his 8yo daughter. But goodness, I don't like your DH's response to your concerns. Sounds like the issue you have is really with him, not the skids who, like kids, will do whatever they are allowed.
stepsoftly, thank you so much
stepsoftly, thank you so much for your kind words. It's funny, because I've always felt that if something I say can help someone else on here, EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST WAY, to make their lives/relationships better, then that's exactly why I'm here. Not only to receive great advice, but to hopefully be there for someone else. I'm glad that I've helped you, in whatever way I did (even if small).
I agree with you 100% - the issues I have about his skids and their entitlement/spoiled issues are really about MY BF and how he is ALLOWING THIS in our home.
I'm sure that BM likely raises skids the same way - no chores, no responsibilies, no accountability (for bad grades, etc...), no work ethic, being dependent on others, etc... because THAT'S.THE.EXACT.WAY.SHE.LIVES.HER.LIFE!! Unfortunately for skids, they won't be allowed to get away with this kind of behavior in our house. Let them do that in hers, I don't really care.
There are no consequences in
There are no consequences in our house. I guess BF/DH views that enforcing rules and consequences equals lack of love towards his offspsings. What he accomplished was a 22 yo, who lives with us because he gets kicked out by every roommate, who is on academic probation and does not have employable skills he even got fired from an internship job.
Tell your DH that the chidlren may not be yours, however the house they live in is, you contribute funds that goes towards feeding and taking care of them so you have the right to say what goes.
I could have written your
I could have written your post a few years back. Actually, I could write that post right now, BUT my DH’s parenting does not bother me anymore. Not my kid and not problem!!
Girl, you need to step back. You need to talk to your DH and tell him you are dis engaging because it drives you crazy to see the path that your SD is going and his lack of parenting. The only thing that you will do is make sure that the “house” rules are followed. She WILL have chores like everyone else, period, she will clean up after herself and she will respect your time to sleep. And if she will not listen/respect you, and your DH, will not make her…then you have way more issues with him that his kid.
Oh and one of the MAJOR rules in our house is NO food in the bedrooms. NONE!
Now comes the hard part…you really need to stop caring about this girls…schooling, hygiene, manners, or where she is at and what she is doing. She is not your child to get all twisted up about. It is SOOOO freaking freeing to stop arguing about the kid with your DH. Why fight? It is his kid, let him handle it.
Do you work? DO you all combine income? I ask this due to him wanting to buy her a car.
my DH does the same with his
my DH does the same with his 19 yr old BD - he allowed her to drive 5 hrs ALONE to visit her BF at school for the weekend and then she wrecked half way home by reaching for her cell phone. he allows her to drink at home but this same child, who he insists is an "adult" needs his help (she's pre-med, by the way), needs his help to write a cover letter. she is the neediest 19 yr old 'adult' I've ever known. I'm sure it may be the same in your situation, but I know my DH does this to overcompensate for the guilt (in leaving his cheating, lying DW).
THANK YOU to all my ST
THANK YOU to all my ST buddies - for all your words of advice & encouragement!! You simply are the best!!!
I've posted an update to my OP - see above. PROGRESS!!!
Oh, and to steperg and The Wicked One, unfortunately I can't tell him to leave because technically I'm living in HIS house (that he owns) that I moved in with him 2 years ago (he pays his mortgage & all utilities and I pay for groceries for all of us - me, him & 2 skids 50/50 custody). We are not married yet. I do own my own house, since 2005 (pay my own mortgage, taxes, insurance, etc...), which I have rented out to tenants and have renewed their lease in January, 2010 until July, 2011. I wouldn't let that stop me, though - meaning if I really cannot change the situation for the better (in terms of our relationship), I would definitely NOT STAY and I would just move out of this house and find myself a place to live until my tenants' lease runs out. So I definitely am not "stuck" here by no means...but I cannot force him to leave his own house if I feel the relationship isn't working out.
I want to let you know that
I want to let you know that you are not alone! I have a sd that is 12 and she does NOTHING! I think we have a lot in commom. I have got a lot of help on here or advise. It is great to know that there are others out there in my situation.
By the way, I dont have any bilogical kids either so I get the line all the time...How do you know?...you dont have any kids! That really pees me off quickly! haha
Milomom--your new approach
Milomom--your new approach seems like it is working very well. Congrats. Every parent knows that the one thing people hate is being told they're a bad parent. Telling someone what a lousy job they're doing while--even silently--pointing out what fabulous kids you have (and by implication, what a wonderful parent you are) is not usually a selling point. Even less so when they are paying for the roof over your head.
Issues of "respect" are cultural. Many people don't think there's anything disrespectful about a kid telling them they're going to a party rather than asking permission. Other things like the importance / lack of importance of a messy bedroom are also pretty individual.
And your new approach gets around all that. It isn't you / your kids/ your methods are better. It's how do you make the whole thing better for everyone. Again, congrats,