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Carolyn Hax advice column on BM -- comments?

belleboudeuse's picture

Seems like there's been a rash of BM/ExH/Stepmom advice columns lately. I read this today from Carolyn Hax, whom I usually really like.

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/family/79093667.html?elr=KArksUUUoD...

Thoughts?

BB

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Hate-Me's picture

i dont feel this one is as bad as the others being posted lately. It seems that the husband is kinda throwing another woman into his childrens life and after 3 months how can possibly know someone well enough to marry them?? its not enough time to form a good strong healthy relationship with his kids either. It took my fiance 2 yrs to propose and it will be another 2 yrs before we tie the not. it took me a yr to form a SOMEWHAT healthy relationship with his kids. Us having a child together really bonded our family and i feel if the baby never came into our lives i would have never said yes when he asked me to marry him. I do feel the BM does have a right to question his actions on this one and trust me i HATE SAYING SHES RIGHT! it does seem funny hes trying to throw a relationship together with this new woman but i also disagree with BM's actions of wanting to salvage the relationship only AFTER he found someone.

Anon2009's picture

I think that's a really complicated situation.

I think the BM here wants what's best for her kids. I don't think she should get back together with her ex, but I agree with Carolyn in that she needs to protect her kids from as much emotional chaos as possible, and she has the right to talk with her ex. He has the right to disagree with her. Do I think he's making wise choices? No. I think he needs to ask his GF/fiancee to get divorced from her husband.

What I'm wondering about is if the kids know that Dad's partner is still legally married. If they do know, and ask their Mom about it, she may want to say something like, "Your Dad is a grown man who can make his own choices" and just try to teach them the values that are important to her when she has them.

I think that Carolyn gave the best advice she could given the situation.

Sita Tara's picture

I agree with Stepsorrow. If the new woman isn't divorced yet, then why is he asking her to marry him or introducing her to his kids?

I think this BM is hurting, and the divorce is still raw. I wanted my divorce when my first marriage ended, and even then when my husband instantly moved a new GF and her 3 kids in with him, and therefore my kids too, it was very concerning. In my case HE was the one who even the day we signed divorce papers swore he wanted to work it out any time I was ready. I knew I would never go back, that it was over.
However he went from "just say the word" to "here's our sons' new SM" in 2 month tops and even though I didn't have feelings for him as my husband anymore, it was still very emotional for me that he did that, especially where my kids were concerned. I even remember him saying, "This doesn't in any way reflect that our marriage wasn't real." I thought...well...yeah it kinda does. And the fact that I certainly made the right decision leaving!

Anyway...I think Carolyn did a good job being sympathetic, and also stressing to BM that no matter what happens with this woman, she can't bash the ex and whoever he ends up with to their children.

"Parental love is unconditional, relationships are reciprocal." ~Zen

Sara_Smile22's picture

If all BM's followed this advice, there wouldn't be much of a need for this site.

melis070179's picture

That particular dad is nuts, I gotta agree with the BM on that one!

"I child proofed my whole house, but they STILL get in!"

onehappygirl's picture

"Three months ago, my ex met a woman through an online dating site. Since then, I realized after much deliberation that I wanted to give our relationship another try."

I agree with the BM about the quickness of it all . . . BUT - it seems that she wanted her Ex back only AFTER he started seeing someone else. Seems like a jealousy thing to me.

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Sita Tara's picture

Agreed. And the little jab about it being an "online" dating service too. That's one of those pieces of the puzzle that had nothing to do with the whole but she felt the need to put it in there.

"Parental love is unconditional, relationships are reciprocal." ~Zen

belleboudeuse's picture

Here's my take:

I don't think it was totally bad advice. Certainly, Carolyn Hax was right to tell the Mom that the most important thing is to keep the kids' best interests at heart in this. And I agree with others, that if what the Mom says is true, then it's a little troubling that the exH has proposed to this woman 3 months after meeting her -- that's a little fast in ANY world, but especially in a situation where there are young kids involved who need some time to adjust to the new girlfriend and the idea of their dad marrying again.

But what I didn't like was that I feel like Carolyn didn't pick up enough on a very strong jealousy/judgment vibe there on the part of the BM. Yes, she did mention to the BM that she should own up to her feelings of jealousy. However, there are lots of little "red flag" indicators that this woman is more invested in her exH's life than she should be:

"Three months ago, my ex met a woman through an online dating site. Since then, I realized after much deliberation that I wanted to give our relationship another try". She herself says that it was only AFTER seeing her ex move on that she wanted him back.

Then she says " I steeled myself and told my ex. About a week later, my ex asked this girlfriend of three months to marry him." Interestingly, she leaves out a couple of details: what her ex SAID when she told him she wanted to get back together. I think that's fascinating, and very significant: it's like the ex's feelings about whether they should get back together are not really important -- what's important is that the BM wants to get back together. (Presumably, he said NO.) And then the next sentence is, "About a week later, my ex asked THIS girlfriend OF THREE MONTHS to marry him." The choice of the word "this" instead of "his" is significant -- it's very condescending. And then needing to repeat "of three months" is clearly meant to discount the significance of the girlfriend. All in all, the tone here suggests that the woman told her ex she wanted him back, and that THAT ALONE should have been enough, but he went against her and proposed to "this" other woman. Like he's cheating on her. Hello: you're divorced. It's over.

"I am unsure exactly what is at work here, other than feeling he's more "in love with love" than with her particularly." There's no reason for her to say this other than that she's jealous and WANTS her ex not to be in love with this other woman. There's also no reason for her to say "She's fourteen years his junior" other than that she's insecure but wants to make it sound like this woman is not a legitimate "rival" for her. (And again, like calling her "this"girlfriend, it's another way to make the woman sound like just a shiny object -- a young bimbo -- than a real person that her ex might genuinely have feelings for.)

I do see that the fact the girlfriend is still married is a big red flag, and I don't blame the BM for being bothered by that as a mother. (I think there are some legitimate reasons that isn't exactly a stellar person for the exH to be involved with when there are kids around -- mostly for the stability angle.) However, her reaction is "I think this sends them a terrible message about what a serious venture marriage is." Okay, but honey: so does DIVORCE. Seriously, pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, all in all, I really wish that Carolyn had pointed some of this stuff out. Because her message to this woman was, and I quote, "you talk to your husband -- only to caution about the message his haste might be sending." Notice, by the way, that she said HUSBAND, not EX-HUSBAND. She's talking to this person as if they are in some way still married. And although she is saying that the BM has the right to talk to him, I don't think she said NEARLY strongly enough:

"Talk to him if you must, but please, reread your own letter and see all these things in it that indicate the main reason you're upset is that your ex has found someone else. ONLY talk to him IF and WHEN you can TRULY do it ONLY for the children's sake. Because from what I hear in your letter, you're not nearly emotionally detached enough to do that yet."

What do you guys think?

BB

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Anon2009's picture

I do sense some jealousy vibes from BM too, but I think Carolyn was just trying to remain as neutral as possible without adding fuel to the fire.

Also, the letter didn't say why the BM and BF got divorced. Did one of them cheat? Were they not communicating well?

Most Evil's picture

BB, I concur-!!
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