Family reactions to SD9's behavior this weekend...
I had a VERY interesting talk yesterday with my husband's stepmother. Apparently, she did notice SD9's behavior over the weekend & is not at all impressed. She said EXACTLY the same things I've been saying & agrees that my husband desperately needs to stand up to BM -- even if that means putting SD9 in an awkward position (BM will tell her everything & use her as a bargaining chip). He's giving BM her way now & look how SD9 is acting.
Anyway, so his stepmom told me that if SD9's attitude doesn't change towards them, she's cutting her off -- no presents/money for Christmas, her birthday, etc. I told her GOOD!!! SD9 does not deserve presents from people she can't be bothered to spend a few lousy hours around once a year. So I would imagine this also means they won't want to take SD9 on trips over the summer like they have in the past. Which means that I definitely do not want SD9 to spend a month with us next summer. No way! I'm not getting stuck baby-sitting her...especially if she's treating me like I'm invisible still.
When I told my mom what SD9 said about me not really being her family, my mom's reaction was very similar to my husband's stepmom's. My mom said that if SD9 was going to act like this, she doesn't want SD9 over her house. My mom won't buy her presents anymore, either, and SD9 will not be invited over for Christmas. Now, if you knew my mother you'd know how serious this is. My mom is MAD!!!
And of course, I had the same reaction when SD9 said that to me. I thought, fine, we'll see what your dad gets you for Christmas this year because I might not get you anything since I'm not your family! The whole thing just got me thinking about life if BM gets full custody & how much better it would be. I realize that all these reactions are what BM wants...this is why BM is PASing SD9 so badly. But honestly, do any of you know how to reverse PAS? Especially if BM gets full custody? Is it even possible? All the stories I've heard are pretty bleak. That's why the only thing I've come up with is having a talk with SD9 about how she's acting & let her know what will happen if she continues to act this way.
How would you handle this? Any ideas?
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StepAside...
EXACTLY!!! That last line especially rings true to me. Because if we allow SD9 to be brainwashed by BM, she will turn out exactly like BM. And among other things, BM is always the victim, so I can completely see SD9 using this as her excuse to play the victim.
I have wanted my husband to sit down & have a real talk with SD9 for almost a year now. (And there were times before that, too.) His idea of talking with SD9 is having a really brief chat about whatever the issue is & that's the end of it. I know that a lot of men are this way...not good at talking about their feelings, but he has to try. I also think that he believes that by talking about certain issues, he's putting SD9 in the middle, but he's not. I don't know how to make him see this. He & I have talked about all of this in the past & again recently. He always agrees with talking to SD9, but his talks go just like I said above. It's not enough. And if I stress WHY he needs to discuss certain issues, he gets mad at me, so I give up.
Before we opt for counseling, I'd like to try & talk to SD9 first. My reason for that is that BM has had SD9 seeing several counselors in the past few months. I think adding more would just be too much. Plus, if BM gets full custody & we only have every other weekend, how do we do counseling? This would mean more dealing with BM because we'd have to take SD9 during the week. We'd rather avoid that if possible. Also, if my husband looses some of his rights to SD9, can we even do counseling without BM being involved? I also kept telling my husband that he needs to contact all these counselors SD9 has seen. He has a right to know what's being said.
StepAside...
Since you've been in a similar situation, I'll take your word for it on this. I just think it's really sad that we have to immediately resort to a counselor rather than talking directly to SD9. I don't agree with this, but that's because I don't really believe in counseling. Every time someone on here mentions counseling, I cringe! And it's because when I was in my early teens I was forced to go to counseling (by my school) & I absolutely hated it! I never got anything out of it & it only made the situation worse. So I don't think counseling is for everyone or every situation. But that's just my opinion!
That said, I will tell my husband what you said. If he decides counseling is the best option, he & SD9 can go. I don't think it's appropriate for me to go -- at least not right now. (Seeing how apparently I'm part of the problem.)
My husband doesn't have insurance. So if he opts to go, it's just more money spent on a situation created entirely by BM. What else is new?!
Based on what you said, I guess disengaging like I have been is best? If I can't really talk to SD9 (liked I used to), then I'll just continue to dread her visits & ignore her rude comments. Though, ignoring her rude comments only makes the situation worse, so I'm kind of stuck here.
On my last birthday,
On my last birthday, step-demon (sd13) told me I wasn't motherly or nice, she said I was bipolar, had anger issues and I wasn't her real family. This is after three years of bending over backwards to make her feel welcome in my home, doing things for her and her friends, buying her gifts, bringing home products from the company I work for that she could use, talking DH into buying her certain clothes and shoes so she'd fit in and be the buffer when was being punished so DH wouldn't take away all of her privleges.
Okay princess of the underworld, if you thought this before....wait until your birthday and Christmas or better yet.....ask me for a favor. And then please, please, please ask my why I didn't buy you anything.
She also never thanked my parents for any of the gifts they bought her and my mother recently asked me if she should continue sending step-demon gifts. I said, I'm not going to tell you what to do one way or the other. She said my sister's SD also failed to call or write thank yous for gifts, cards and money so mom eventually stopped sending them. I told her, I harped on step-demon about calling or writing you when she lived with us and never got results. So I wouldn't expect that to change now that she's living with Uber-Skank again.
I think both of our SD's suffer from a lovely thing called "A sense of entitlement!".
“Be like a duck. Calm on the surface, but always paddling like the dickens underneath.”
Michael Caine
Shaman29...
I agree with you completely! And I'm glad that others have had the same reaction!
I, too, bent over backwards to take care of SD9 (& her half-sister, who isn't even my husband's). I treated them like they were my own, without going over certain boundaries, of course (didn't want to offend BM). Since I came into their lives, I've bought them clothes, presents, books, toys, school supplies, food, etc. I washed their laundry, cleaned their messes, cooked their meals, drove them to & from school, etc. Why would I do anything different? It's just amazing how fast they forget all you've done when BM is PASing them. SD9 saying that I'm not really her family hurt. She had never treated me like that before. I have a feeling that BM is putting this in her head because I'm pregnant. BM doesn't want SD9 to have a half sibling at our house. Too freakin' bad, lady! Not your decision!
And, just like you, I have to hound SD9 to write thank you's to people. (Or remind her to thank them if they're present.) I've always warned her that if she didn't thank people they might not give her anything anymore. I think she thinks I'm joking. I guess she'll find out!
My parents don't tolerate crap from my Skid or any other of
their GrandChildren.
But ....... they also don't play any "I will cut the little brats off" games either. They confront the GrandKids directly and let them know that their behavior is unacceptable and that they (my parents) won't accept it.
The kids mope a bit but usually get on board pretty quickly.
I find that the best way to address just about any problem is head on.
Sooooooooo, grab the little Turds by the scruffies and give them the message directly.
Just IMHO of course.
Best regards,
Success is rarely final. Failure is rarely fatal. It is character, courage and consistency of effort that count. Vince Lombardi (with some minor Rags modifications) To each according to their performance, screw Karl Marx. (Rags)
Rags...
I completely agree with this!
My husband's stepmother told me that she's considering cutting off one of her other grandchildren because she's so ungrateful. That's when I told her about me warning SD9 about thanking people for gifts & I told her that if SD9 doesn't say thank you, they should cut her off. I don't know if they will or not, but you'd better believe that any kid that gets cut off from my husband's stepmom will know why! She will definitely tell them! I feel as if I've warned SD9 enough about this. Every birthday & holiday, we have this talk. If she chooses to ignore me & laugh it off, then it serves her right to learn this lesson the hard way.
I also agree with this: I find that the best way to address just about any problem is head on. This is why I'm having such a difficult time with all the BM/SD9 issues. My husband doesn't always face things head on, he lets things fester. It drives me insane! I absolutely hate confrontation, however, sometimes there is no other option. If you do nothing, things just get worse.