Shunning – It never ends. Some Relatives are Just Clueless
For those unfamiliar with shunning, it’s a form of social rejection often associated with stories from the past—like Nathaniel Hawthorne’s The Scarlet Letter, where communities ostracized individuals deemed ‘immoral’. Over the past several decades, shunning has evolved into a more subtle but equally damaging practice. It has become a negative art of avoidance, one that can deeply hurt and alienate its target.
Most of us experience our first taste of shunning in grade school. The scenario is all too familiar: a group of friends suddenly decides that one child doesn’t belong. Maybe they’re too fat, too poor, too smart, too nerdy, too pretty or simply “too different.” The whispers start, the invitations stop, and the shunning begins.
Sadly, this behavior doesn’t always stay in childhood. It often follows people into adulthood, and one of the most vulnerable targets is the stepparent—particularly the stepmother. When you realize the shunning is directed solely at you, the stepmother, it takes on a new form: a silent, persistent kind of bullying. The isolation, the exclusion, the refusal to acknowledge you—it feels deliberate and cruel, even if no one says the words aloud.
When she was here, during her reign of terror, I was the one tasked with picking her up from school. She had mastered the art of ‘flying below the radar’ when it came to her father, my dear husband (DH). She couldn’t afford to be openly rude to me—she knew better than that—but she had no qualms about freezing me out completely. She simply refused to communicate, and no amount of effort on my part could break through her icy silence.
The car rides home were frosty, to say the least. But as soon as we walked through the door, it was like flipping a switch. In an instant, YSD (in her Miss Hyde form) would shed her icy demeanor and transform into the sweet, innocent Dr. Jekyll, she couldn’t be sweeter to DH. She buttered up DH with practiced ease, showering him with affection as though he were some prize hog at the county fair.
When I told my clueless DH what she was doing, he flat-out refused to believe me. So, I decided to beat her at her own game. During the ride home, I matched her silence with my own. No attempts to engage, no effort to bridge the gap—just icy indifference.
When we got home, and she shifted into buttering-up mode with her father, I stayed aloof. I didn’t react, didn’t get drawn into her performance. For weeks, I stuck to my plan, refusing to play her game.
After about a month, she finally cracked. She tried to talk to me, clearly hoping I’d take the bait and let her reset the cycle. But I wasn’t falling for it. Calmly, I told her, “We can talk at the dinner table with your father.”
That was it. Her game was over. She knew it, and I knew it.
Well, once DH started giving YSD real consequences for her bad behavior, she jumped ship and ran straight to ‘the mothership.’ But not before she and BM teamed up to call Child Protective Services on DH, accusing him of ‘abuse.’
After a three-hour investigation, CPS found no evidence of abuse. Still, YSD made up her mind—she wasn’t going to have anything more to do with DH.
Here’s a note for stepparents: a biological parent will eventually reap what they sow. DH didn’t listen to me when I warned him. He feigned helplessness, DARVO-ed me (deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender), or tried to guilt me into ‘helping his poor, misunderstood little child.’ And yet, in the end, YSD turned on him anyway. Not, sad about that!
Fast forward to Christmas, and YSD started her usual ‘shunning tactics,’ this time targeting DH’s family. The thing about passive-aggressive behavior is that unless people understand it, they often don’t realize what’s happening.
YSD made sure to reach out to DH’s brother, her uncle, and DH’s mother, her grandmother, wishing them a Merry Christmas. But her own father? DH didn’t hear a word from her. No contact whatsoever.
DH’s mother is highly narcissistic, and as JRI puts it, she’s deeply invested in her ‘big happy family’ fantasy. She’s eager for the skids to reunite with their father, and to some extent, we all want that too—but with conditions.
Those conditions are simple yet crucial: the skids must show respect and love for their father; they must treat DH’s wife with dignity; and they cannot continue to use or abuse us. Without these boundaries, a reunion isn’t a healthy or sustainable option. However, Skid’s Granny, doesn’t have boundaries herself, believes that we all should ‘kiss the skids’ ass’ if it would get them back into the fold.
Yesterday, DH and I tried to explain this to Granny:
- Respect Must Be Mutual: The skids need to respect both DH and me as his wife. Contacting DH’s family on a holiday while deliberately avoiding him is passive-aggressive behavior—shunning—and it’s not acceptable.
- Silent Bullying: The skid engaging in this behavior isn’t being friendly. Instead, they’re using DH’s relatives to silently bully him. This manipulation is intentional and calculated.
- Monetary Motivation: YSD contacts Granny as directed by BM because Granny has money set aside for the skids. The strategy is clear: “Be nice to that old lady—she’s got $$$$$$!”
- Calling Out the Behavior: If relatives notice the skids are contacting them but ignoring DH, they should call it out. A simple response like, “Hey skid, why aren’t you reaching out to your father? If you can’t respect him enough to contact him on a holiday, why are you contacting me?” could set a boundary.
- Granny’s Hero Complex: Granny wants to play the ‘hero’ by bringing the skids back into the fold. Unfortunately, BM and the skids know this and are exploiting her. They’re manipulating her into believing she’s succeeding when, in reality, she’s enabling their behavior.
- Fear of Confrontation: Granny and Uncle worry that calling out the skids’ bad behavior will stop the skids from contacting them altogether. But that’s emotional blackmail. The skids aren’t helpless victims—they’re seasoned manipulators preying on their relatives’ kindness. In my opinion, confronting manipulation is the best approach. If the skids run away, it’s because their manipulation didn’t work, and that’s on them—not us.
Some people lack self-respect and integrity, and enabling their behavior only reinforces the cycle, as DH found out, but he will never acknowledge.
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I don't know what to say
I don't know what to say except this is all spot on! But don't F with intelligent people who have taken the time to educate themselves, toxic skids. We are armed with the truth. Others who continue to allow themselves to be bullied and manipulated most definitely pay for it--primarily with their dignity, I think.
@MorningMia, It seems more
@MorningMia, It seems more clear to me that these toxic skids and their supporters are counting on us SM's to be as ignorant ,spineless people pleasers who are naive or just plain old stupid hoping we dont see through them.
Its so key to pay attention to the reactions of those around you once you set any limits or just say you dont want to do something for them. That tells you all you need to know. These folks just cant handle it...act all surprised or just outraged, when you set boundaries..thats when you can see and weed out who is really cool with that. These toxic skids are never good with it. Yeah, well..surprise...good people get tired too
A lightbulb just went off for
A lightbulb just went off for me. The woman DH dated before me was disrespected and viewed as a puppet by BM and the skids. From what I know, she was a kind-hearted person treated like an invisible ghost and then demonized by BM, although she was helping to care for and entertain the skids during visits and was the primary caregiver of the unhousebroken biting machine dumped on DH by BM and skids. Early on in my relationship with DH, SD attempted a few times to trash talk this woman in my presence, assuming, I guess, that I'd jump on the bandwagon, and I called her out and shut her down. She did it once in front of BM, who smiled in approval while trying to make eye contact with me.
Enter the boundary lover--me. lol. It just occurred to me that a precedent had been set when I came into the picture. . . they thought they'd do the same with/to me and drive me off, as BM played a central role in driving away DH's even earlier GF, too. From what I could gather, he was always emotionally "rewarded" when a GF went away. Envision atom bombs going off when I did not go along with the program: Years of punishing behavior, incessant harassing phone calls that went unanswered, daily emails, and finally me telling BM to back the F off or else. I am the devil, Satan himself. Everything is my fault, although DH is disliked/no longer the recipient of approval because he woke up (and CS ended). Oh well, I am Beelzebub, but the big B living a peaceful life. Ha!
Believe me, the same
Believe me, the same lightbulb has gone off in my head at times too. I really never knew exactly how the dynamic worked out with DH's previous relationship.. Was actually engaged at one time not long before I came into the picture, but very very briefly.Does make you wonder. Not that there wasnt the possibilty of other issues outside my SD, but I have a sneaking suspicion making it difficult for me to believe that she had nothing to do with the demise of any of her fathers prior relationships. Not a doubt in my mind.
I wonder if I had the ability to sit down with each of his ex girlfriends, how many of them would mention SD as having some kind of hand in their break ups
Even my MIL , for all her doting I think she does too much of for SD30, actually had to admit to me that SD was an angry little girl with some emotional , behavior issues..and that even DH had mostly had a hard time with her too. Goes to show that sometimes even the most oblivious family members cant deny all the facts or hide from them. Of course the BM was also mental, so thats not to say she is totally innocent either.
But I have endured enough of SD;s also manic behavior, especially when she was predictably not consistently pleased with her Daddy getting married , since she told me point blank that she didnt know how she was going to react at the wedding. Im sure part of her was hoping there never would be one for him. Maybe she did drive his ex fiance away to get the hell out of Dodge.
I should also note her comments to me in her weak attempt at reconcilling with me is that she opened with how she finally HAD to accept that her Daddyyyyyyy was never going to leave me and that I wasnt going anywhere. Between that and her antics, that all tells me that at least part of her was hoping I would have took off running for the hills like the other women..and resentful because that didnt happen. Spoken like someone who was plotting something to drive me away to have Daddy all to herself like a true mini wife wannabe and her little plan failed. Tells me that if we broke up, she wouldnt exactly be too torn up over it. I am sure there is even just a little subconscious piece of her that is still disappointed that I didnt bail. Although, and this is not to be mean, and others in my life not blinded my SD's "charm" have also said the same thing: That if DH and I were to ever split up, it would be because of this child. That is another hard cold fact that cannot be disputed. I say that without one flinch, without one ounce of hesistation.
The really ironic thing is that recently, SD decides that she expects, well demands, this unconditonal acceptance and love from her, right on the heels of admitting that she didnt always necessarily accept or respect ME unconditonally either She still doesnt get that you cant have these things both ways.
There is also one more little tidbit,,how my MIL had also been forced to admit that SD and I had never really gotten along. Yet another truth that no one can dismiss. So, that might tell me that SD didnt really get on that well with his ex girlfriends either., so some kind of pattern there. might have been very well possible. Considering all of this, what the eff did anyone really expect from me in the long run? Should it be any wonder or should there any room left for doubt as to why the relationship between me and SD hit the skids and didnt turn out any differently? What did anyone think would happen.?
Im still learning to pick my
Im still learning to pick my battles and also disengage from feeling the need to play along with enabling SD30 like some relatives do ,,because they are clueless and cant tear those extra rosey colored glasses off Its like there is no such as thing as seriously setting boundaries with SD.If so,.its all talk. .Like they have this fear of them...hence that hero complex, definitely being excessive people pleasers when she is concerned.
No wonder she grew into an overgrown spoiled brat and why I have been just over this girl.
. Then they expect an outsider like SM, who doesnt have such tunnell vision like then when she cant do any wrong, to keep playing the game. Thats why I just respectfully take myself out of it. Honestly, I think I'd rather be shunned in that respect if it meant I didnt have to tolerate her any longer. I am fine to leave anyone who chooses to be so oblivious to her manipulations to their own devices if thats what they prefer. Just as long as they know that all of this enabling ends with me. Thats a promise
Because I for one, choose to have my dignity in tact as much as possible.Thats is the only thing I do have control over.
Relatives can gladly live in LaLa Land kissing SD's ass and worshiping the ground she walks on. ( actually ironically..LaLa is a nickname given to SD30 by BM. Its actually is fitting..since she is so delusional that you think she does live in some fantasy world) SD has been the one pushing for me to do the same and has been unsuccessful in swaying me like she can with whomever she can run circles around, people who will just say How High when she jumps to make HER happy. Like I said, that ends with me so dont look to me for that.
She can pull the guilt trip on me all she likes, but it doesnt work on me anymore like some of her other family members or others in her life. I see it for what it is. I actually dont care who tolerate her crap or not anymore as long as it doesnt fall to me.
One of her tactics, which I feel is manipulation too, is just randomly rattling off all these people ( my MIL being the worst offender in the enabler role if you ask me) including her "fiance" , some of her "friends" if she still has any...or this person and that one who "accept her for who she is" trying to guilt me into setting boundaries with her that these people are afraid to do. Thats the only kind of people she really has any sincere use for. That is pretty ridiculous and pointless of her to try to use other people that I dont know or even have a reason to even care about..who is not on my radar at all.., like her fiance who I woudnt know if I bumped into him in the street. Never met the guy nor do I care. . to try to convince me as to why I should want to love nothing better than to be in her "good graces". just because other people are willing to crawl to her. Now, why in the world should I give a flying fuck about someone ( like the fiance) thinks or does who doesnt even know me nor I him? I was like..ok..yeah..and so what???? As if that is going to change how I feel...since I dont think she is so charming at all. I straight up just dont like her.
Does she seriously expect me to just flip a swtich on my feelings, be like Oh ..well so and so think SD shits rainbows, so I automatically have to agree? She doesnt get that I dont care what anyone thinks, espeically in her circle of flying monkeys.
I am not all these "others" who supposedly think she is so wonderful, is so Supportive of her and all her garbage because I am willing to be naive enough to let it slide. . Lets be real.Nor do I care to be.
These people ( like SD) have to seriously be so clueless if they cant understand that they are really creating their own suffering and will always be disappointed when they expect Themselves out of me. Even more absurd to expect other people whose opinions dont rank out of me too. So, yes, in summary..this why I have been shunned and countless other SP's inevitably get that too. because I have decided to dare to deviate from SD's and other expectations. Thats the bottom line.
Totally get this
Totally get this @LittleTypeAmy - I also realized the facade and saw the "mask get pulled down" many times. I am not up for the charade. I get serious 'tude from adult SS's bride while SS sits around acting like a victim - oddly it used to work REALLY hard to fall into their good graces until one day like every ordinary day it was one too many "requests for stepmom to change X." This led to a horrible dinner where I sat for 45 minutes with DH by my side as I was picked apart and told I could do no right. I became furious...a lot of details to the story but simply I shut the dinner off, paid for it (even though the waitress was indicating let these two pick up the tab stated with a profanity), and sat in the car to wait for DH. That was the day I looked around - SKIDs in their 20s realizing this was NEVER changing. The shunning behavior - ignoring, turning back to at public events, refusing eye contact, taking passive aggressive shots at me, getting other people to believe a lot of untruthful crap...it was never going to end.
Like you, I realized the game and now I don't fall for anything and I don't give them the chance to let me fall into another trap. They are toxic. My diginity is important. I am just as important as all these growna** adults - I am taking my power back and I am doing what's right for me.
Good for you and good for me too. I hope more SP do this because there is power in numbers and we need to change this awful paradigm.
I actually am remembering the
I actually am remembering the dinner story. I dont know how you endured it for so long. I'd rather do almost anything than have a dinner like that with the SKIDS. SD woudnt go unless her meal and those for her little mini meal tickets ate for free..or mostly free at least. I would have tracked the waitress down from the get go and arranged to split the check so the little darlings can fend for themselves. Thats neither here or there, but I hope that is and will be the last time you contribute so much as one dime their way. What else is there to lose anyway? They already didnt approve of you or respect you, think you are terrible so might as well be that way. No point in trying to be the bigger person or try to prove myself to anyone anymore, so just living my life and doing what I want anyhow.
These toxic types never really change and I got more proof of that personally when dealing one on one with SD30. Thats just the way it is, even if no one else ever sees it. Anyone else who tolerates her isnt never going to totally see the light..its like they are too far gone in their blind adoration and acceptance of her. They will never see the side of her that i have, as long as they remained her "yes" people because they are always going to indulge her and I refuse to any longer.
Its that old song and dance, how these toxic people easily "love" you so long as you just let everything slide and be their indentured servants to their needs. But, the minute you start checking yourself and figuring out boundaries, suddently you are the difficult one. Seen this played out like clockwork with the SkidMark. She might never realize that All that show me is that her so called newfound "love" for me was more about love for what she felt I Could for for her that it ever was , thus validating what I had already suspected.
Relating to everything you
Relating to everything you are saying, but especially your reference to skid as SKIDMARK. LOL!
I say that nickname or term
I say that nickname or term of "endearment"hahaha...is fitting. I would also like to add that I am feeling more comfortable if I were to get shunned by anyone who expects me to act like its fine to be run over by said skidmark lol.Good riddance.
That's right- it's a song and
That's right- it's a song and dance and after enough years of stepparenting you know exactly how it's going down. The first few times you recognize it - it shocks you then you get mad that you can't change the pattern and finally you let it all go and watch the show from the sidelines.
For me the pattern was: SKID and DIL do something down right mean (but outside of view of DH), I used to react to the situation by telling DH - nothing happens, then SKID and DIL complain to DH about me the stepmom, I get wind that the narrative is turned back onto me, then I would get mad and have to defend myself against the allegations and then SKID and DIL would sit back, share the story around with friends and family members. This cycle is DARVO and went on repeat over and over again...finally after seeing it enough times I just stopped. Complaints would come in and I simply refused to get involved. Things have died down on trying to pull me into the drama - but they still shun by ignoring, not providing eye contact and taking zero interest in my life. I really don't care anymore in fact I leave it to DH to visit them and do whatever he wants with them- I don't even ask questions about them because I am not interested in their lives. As you said, the only person I can change is me and extracting myself out of this crappy situation is all i can do, so I did. :)
"This cycle is DARVO and went
"This cycle is DARVO and went on repeat over and over again...finally after seeing it enough times I just stopped. "
That is precisely what went down with me too. It really is a vicious cycle and had to get off this dysfunctional merry go round before I lost my mind. I dont care what anyone makes of it. They can pout all they like until they understand ( or not) that you can only expect so much from someone. That person is Me. I can only take so much of the DARVO, the gas lighting, the blame shifting, the projections from SD that always comes back to its just "Amy doesnt like me..why doesnt she like me?" and Im the one who "needs to have a forgiving heart since it will make me feel better ( Umm,,ok. SD..I will get to decide that and she is no one to make that kind of judgement call!) or some other person or outside force..etc. it get to be way too much.
NO matter what kind of a good heart you have, there is only so much one person can take even when coming in with good intentions.
Luckily, SD has been the only one giving me any kind of pushback for the boundaries I set. Who knows if DH and her of MIL or anyone elses discusses them amongst themselves. but I cant even worry that much about it. I dont care as long as they dont get to ganging up on me . I have made it clear that I would be more comfortable just let sleeping dogs like so to speak. and let things die down as you say.
If someone called CPS
On me. Our relationship would be over. This is not done lightly. This has legal consequences. Maybe next time it will not be so easy to get out of a CPS investigation. Practice makes perfect. I would never give her a second chance .
I agree. That would be a
I agree. That would be a total dealbreaker and be the end of the line for me, if nothing else. I am actually surprised SD didnt pull that as an out of control teen...but she would be the one to do it if not at least threaten to or at least think about it.
I would never even dream of giving a SD even the slightest hope of giving her another chance if she had. Non negotiable even with an apology which would be half assed im sure. Especially, if she even tried to come running back to me playing all lovey dovey and trying to explain it away..which i know she would do...as if it were not big deal and I should fall in line by accepting it. Like nothing had gone down.
@Morning Mia..woudnt have surprised me if that had happened with your DH;s ex or any woman that came before you. Im actually wondering the same for mine.