And the nightmare continues....please tell me if I am overreacting to this
So we were able to get all three kids off with their other bio parents for the weekend and BF and I decided to take a weekend trip out of town. We went about 3 hours away to visit a city BF had never been and one I hadn't been to in years. Anyway, alls well in the car on the way. We get to the hotel check in, go in the room, take a shower...getting ready for bed. So we are laying in bed and talking ad I was just thinking of the past and I asked him "do you remember the first hotel we stayed at" so we talked about that for a few minutes...somehow though the conversation turned to BM#2 (11 month old SD's mom). The one I have serious issues with. I started feeling really insecure, as I always do when she comes up in converstaion. So I started asking questions (I thought I knew the answers, I just needed reconfirmation, I guess I need that alot) so I asked if he had slept with her after we got together. There was a time when she had first moved out of state and he and I had just started that he took his son from another realtionship to visit with his daughter (this was the time he came back with video of "family park day", and the "family photo day"). I have been pissed off already about the fact that I am the one who purchased ss $900 ticket to get ss to BF so that he could do the school year here. What gratitude did I get for that? BF taking ss down to spend time with his "family". Believe me if I had known I wasn't considered "family" at that time do ya think I would have forked out the money to get the kid here? Nope woulda have left that debt on the "family" SO I knew that the whole "family" had spent time together during that weekend. Anyway, he said no that he did not sleep with her since we have been together. Ok good. Not sure why I asked the next question, I really thought I knew the answer...I asked have you ever kissed her since we been together. After thinking about it for a minute he said....YES!!! He said it was a "thank you" kiss on the cheek for buying lunch. Two things he failed to mention, 1) he kissed her and 2) when did they go to lunch together? Well of course we have to add in "family lunch day" and "everybody kiss BM#2 day" He said after they had gone to her parents house (she lives there) to order the divorce papers online, they all (BF,son from previous, BM#2 and daughter) all decide to go out to lunch together and as a token of gratitude (for buying lunch and letting him order the divorce papers) he kissed her afterwards! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! WTF!!!!! I feel as though he cheated on me. I feel very betrayed by this. I ended up sleeping in the recliner type chair they had in the room, got up early and we went home. Since SS (age 5) has gone to the other coast to stay with his mom for awhile, I have moved into his room since arriving home on Saturday. Here is my question...am I overreacting to this? Do any of you consider this cheating? He says he did not cheat on me and that our definitions of cheating are different. Plus he says we had just started (we were new, but does that really matter?) If you all believe I am crazy for reacting this way please tell me.....but I would also like to get your definitions of cheating....Thanks ladies!
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just a tiny bit..
I think you are over-reacting.. just a bit. For several reasons.. we're talking a kiss on the cheek.. it's not like he was french kissing her.. and he didn't sleep with her.. and secondly, I get the impression that this happened a long time ago..
I would let this go. I would move yourself back into the room, and appologise. If you're that insecure (and really you do seem to be).. why not instead talk to him about it. Tell him how that whole trip made you feel.. how you spent the money on it, and then he chose to spend the time with his ex instead of allowing you to be the adult female of that family time. Recognize for yourself though that this was a transition moment for him.. a time to order divorce docs and to really say goodbye to his old life. He may have needed that time. it doesn't diminish your feelings, but maybe you can try to understand a bit.
Good luck!
Stepup
I'm going to have to go with
over-reacting on this one...I know I'd be upset but I'd let this one go, just explain to him how everything makes you feel and let him know how he can make you feel more secure.
I think a lot of the anger you feel right now isn't just about the kiss but about everything else and that's just the straw that broke the camels back. Just talk to him about it, all of it. Trust me keeping things inside isn't a good idea. That's what caused World War III at my place yesterday
Cheating
I think you really have to look at these four things... the place, the occasion, the type of kiss and the intent.
Did it occur in a public place and/or with others bearing witness? If he were "cheating," then he probably wouldn't do it out in the open, unless it were an innocent gesture. If it were in a dark room, candles blazing, soft music playing, etc., well, that's different than in a restaurant at lunchtime.
The occasion was, like stepup said, a transitional moment when he was saying goodbye to an old life and just embarking on a new one with you. Hell, he may have just been in a good mood, happy to be rid of her and it was nothing more than a gesture of goodwill. If the kiss came after hours of begging her to come back or vice versa, that would put a different slant on things, but that's not what happened, is it?
It was a peck on the cheek, which is still a kiss, but as long as his tongue wasn't down her throat and he wasn't groping her madly, then maybe that's all it was... just a peck on the cheek with nothing else under the surface. He never had sex with her, he only kissed her the one time and it wasn't a "real" kiss. I think that matters.
Most importantly, what was his intent with the kiss? Because it seems to me that if his intent was to win her back, there would've been more than just a peck involved. And if there were anything between them, he wouldn't have continued to build a life with YOU, now, would he?! Here's the big one... IF HE REALLY WERE CHEATING, THEN HE SURE AS HELL WOULDN'T HAVE ADMITTED IT TO YOU!
I think you definitely have a reason to be upset. I would be, probably most of us would be. True, it was early in your relationship, but if you're providing him with that kind of money to see his child, then it wasn't THAT early and he certainly shouldn't be kissing his ex during the visit. But it wasn't a real kiss, it wasn't a passionate kiss, it wasn't a reconciliation kiss, it was just a peck. Keep in mind that men (sorry, Steve, SBD, et al) can really be dense and sometimes they just don't see things the same way we do. If he thought he were doing something that would upset you, he never would have told you about it, because it's not like you could have found out any other way.
I think you have to do two things... forgive him for being a dumb ox and then ask him to forgive you for letting your insecurity get the better of you. And I'll also tell you what I told someone else recently... you have to look at your entire history with this man, all your feelings for him, all his feelings for you, the life you have together and ask yourself if this really is a deal-breaker. If not for this one thing, would you stay with him? Is this one thing worth losing him over or is it something you can let go? Talk to him and work it out!
~ Anne ~
Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice: Pull down your pants and slide on the ice! -M*A*S*H (Sidney Freedman to the OR staff on dealing with stress)
I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this...
I read the first few and started skimming. The main point that I would like to make here is that you explain to your husband that kissing any ex, on the cheek or otherwise, is not acceptable to you from this point on. You can't change what's happened, but you certainly can tell him what kind of behavior you expect from him in the future. If them having lunch makes you uncomfortable, tell him. I've never heard of people celebrating their divorce via lunch before, but to each his own, I guess. But, people don't have to have lunch to discuss their children, so from this point on, if it makes you uncomfortable, there's no reason for it anyway, so tell him it's unacceptable.
Good luck, and sorry if I'm a little off base here.
I have to agree
The ladies above covered everything.
Please take a deep breathe and move forward.
Best wishes, Jo