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Gunner's picture

I have a mens advice forum I post on just like here to get advice from others experiencing what I am. The advice there is so different from men and woman. Here I get slammed, called names and told to divorce my wife (from most, I do appreciate those that give actual advice, I am listening to you) while there I am told to put my kids first by funding their life style like I have been, protect my finances and love my wife while not letting her take advantage of me. It's amazing how different the advice is.

My wife and I had a counseling session last night where she asked me point blank if I was going to start paying her bills again because if not she has some decisions to make regarding her kids schooling. I told her no I was not and that she should talk to their father about helping with their private school. She started to cry and I felt like dog crap. The counselor suggested that she no longer depend on my money and start relying on her own. The counselor said she might feel better if she stops relying on me and starts paying her own way. She ignored me this morning so I think she is mad.

To those who think I am punishing my wife, I am not. I love her and want to be with her but frankly I am tired of supporting everyone. I told my ex I will just be paying child support and no more extra cash to her next month but I will continue paying extras directly to those involved. I won't sacrifice my kids standard of living but people may have had a point about giving her extra.

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DaizyDuke's picture

Because woman are bitches. Plain and simple. And because you didn't buy us a Coke damn it Wink

hereiam's picture

It is so obvious that your wife is using you for money, she brings it up constantly and used it as her terms for coming back when she left. That is why some people are telling you to divorce her. Oh, and she actually TOLD you that she's using you for your money and has been all along.

You get different advice because, well, men and women are different, and you may not be telling the same story on the different forums, word for word, which makes a difference as far as people's perceptions.

ESMOD's picture

While I do perceive Mrs Gunner as a gold-digger, that doesn't automatically brand her as a "bad person" in my eyes.

I don't think gold diggers are bad people any more than some old coot that only wants to date hot young women. Their priorities for a mate are just different and they are willing to put up with a certain amount of undesirable in order to meet their primary characteristics in a mate.

An unattractive, older, boorish man can attract a young, attractive woman because he has other attributes (cash,cars, homes) he can provide her. She in turn is giving up the opportunity to have a mate with youth, looks or personality.

That older man on the other hand is getting the arm candy but may have some other less desirable traits in that hot bod... greed, selfishness, shallowness etc...

This doesn't make them bad people, just makes them more conventionally shallow.

ChiefGrownup's picture

Gunner, did you tell the men that she screamed at you that she can't stand you and only married you for money?

You want to forgive her for that because she was "angry" but the words could not have come out her mouth if the feelings had not been in her heart. Most of us are guilty of angry remarks like "you always x" or "you never listen to me" or "here we go again" or "I can't handle that one more time!" In a calm moment we would use different words to handle the same thought. These are nowhere near what came out of your wife's mouth.

She said them because in the moment her anger broke her filter which usually carefully manages what she says, holding in truth and dribbling out hooks instead. In that moment of unrestrained anger, the truth came out.

You've never told us her stated demands are about being listened to or feeling diminished or hurt or unloved. They are always about money with minimizing your kids thrown in. So she is very consistent with that ugly thing she blurted out in anger.

Women know there are much better women out there and you should not fall for a scam. I don't know what the men are thinking.

moving_on_again's picture

Men are thinking about sex.

Ok, that was sexist, but let's face it, most of us are here because our current SO's sex drive got them stuck to a psycho for at least 18 years.

TwoOfUs's picture

It's not "her opinion" it is well-researched and supported by literally dozens to hundreds of studies as well as primary research and looked at from a billion different angles.

One thing we Lit PhD's (I am one as well) do learn in our course of study is the difference between an "opinion" and a "well-researched argument."

WalkOnBy's picture

Her experience as a SM makes her qualified and her PhD is far more relevant than yours.

So, your hatred of SMs extends to those with higher education. Got it.

WTF is wrong with you??

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

Wow I didn’t realize it was possible to have a PHD in step mothering or needed one to have an opinion and do research on the study.

Oh do I need one to do research in a subject? Damn could have save me nightmares as an undergrad.

Wait is my personal experience in life not valuable unless I have a PHD too?

The book is very helpful if just that gives people another view at being a step mother. The evidence she puts in isn’t just some half cooked thing she came up with.

It’s a fact of life that the media projects the “evil stepmother” all over the place. It’s interesting to be aware of it which is one part of the book. I was shocked again a few weeks back over that fact. SO’s daughter had finished up a book she was reading and so we were all talking about it. I asked what it was about “Well it’s about this girl and she has this mean stepmom…..” Really a book about a fish had to involve an evil step mother again.

The book also brings up information about legal issues that a step mother can face. Interesting to find out that if the kids are with me and get hurt I can’t do anything in an emergency room unless we have a power of attorney in place. I guess since she’s not a lawyer you’d say she shouldn’t include that?

Also her PHD is in comparative literature and cultural studies. Let’s see the way a culture looks at step mothers. Oh yep she’s qualified. And damn a whole degree essentially on how to do research? WOW.

Don't know how much more "qualified" she could be also I didn't see it as a "self-help book".

After all one description is as follows:

Stepmonster is a reconsideration of stepfamily dynamics from the perspective of the stepmother. Synthesizing recent sociological, anthropological and psychological literature, Stepmonster also offers historical and cultural analysis of the wicked stepmother myth; insights on stepmothering across cultures and in our evolutionary prehistory; and analysis of contemporary media and popular culture. Avoiding oversimplistic "advice," Stepmonster offers a uniquely comprehensive consideration of the complexities of the stepmother--as cultural signifier, literary creation, and real person.

TwoOfUs's picture

I don't think HRNYC has read this brilliant book. Anyone who has and still refers to it as a "self-help" book is either being intellectually dishonest or has severe reading comprehension deficits and needs to go back to high school for some basic English courses before she starts worrying about other people's PhD's.

nengooseus's picture

You deal with the same issues as everyone else here and so does your wife, except that you use money to show your love.

You maintain your kids' standard of living without compromise. They attend private school and participate in extra curriculars at apparently your sole expense.

Your XW--who had an affair that led to your divorce--lives in a house that you own, rent free, until your youngest child turns 25. In addition to CS, you have paid her for "extras," as well, and from what we've been led to believe, the extras are substantial and no proof of expense or payment is required.

Your wife, however, is cut off financially, because she doesn't want to spend quality time with your kids, who she finds to be entitled and messy. And she's on her own to support her kids, who you've made clear you're not terribly fond of.

So, if you're using money to show your love, what should your wife infer from the treatment she's receiving? Your X is fully supported, your without question, your kids are more than fully supported, and her? She's on her own with her kids.

To be clear, if that was your arrangement--that she was 100% self-sufficient--from the get-go, I would be OK with it. The fact is that you made the unilateral decision to change the financial terms of your relationship, to her detriment, and you expect her to be OK with it. You didn't treat her as partner, and yet you expect her to love and accept you and your kids as though she is a full partner in this relationship.

DaizyDuke's picture

^^^^ this.

And really Gunner.. think about it. How would you feel if the roles were reversed? If your wife was paying bookoo bucks out to HER ex, so that her kids (and her ex) could have the best of everything while she was doing nothing for you or your kids?

And don't get me wrong, A LOT of people operate this way, like for instance I provide ZERO financially for my skids.. that is ALL DH's responsibility and I provide Zero supportively for my skids (i.e help with homework, grades, schlepping, etc) BUT it has always been that way. I made it clear that from the get go, that they were HIS and BM kids and therefore THIER responsibility.

Pharlap's picture

That's the thing, this wasn't made clear in thier relationship and she started suddenly demanding/making changes regarding his children in a immature fashion. It really should come as no shock that he then retaliated back at her with the weapon he had which was money. She's not some poor innocent little downtrodden snowflake in this entire mess either. They are both dicks quite honestly.

thinkthrice's picture

There are two types of stepdads. The more common type go along to get along with the CP BM. They keep their mouth shut about discipline and finances and simply act as a walking ATM...to HER children. This type of step dad usually does not have his own children and was carefully selected because of it. They do a "Yes Ma'am" routine and henceforth receive the highly sought-after BM stamp of approval, therefore instant acceptance by her children.

the more rare type of step dad tries to introduce discipline and may have children of his own. He tries to get involved in every aspect of life. Usually the coddling BM will object unless there is a lot of money to be had from stepdad. Once in a great while there will be a rare BM that will try to be a united front with stepdad in family life and see reason.

In my case the girhippo has found herself type 1.

Pharlap's picture

And maybe his wife shouldn't at the last minute throw a tantrum that his kids aren't going on the vacation and they are not allowed to come for thier summer visitation. Not to mention flat out saying she's using him for his money. I'd tell her to step off too about all the freebies. I also think gunner said that he pays all of the household bills and he was paying her student loans but she works making 50k. So what exactly is she using her money on that she so destitute?

I don't get how some posters on here only focus on the evilllllll gunner is doing. His wife isn't exactly handling all of this in a mature manner either. Neither one is innocent here.

TwoOfUs's picture

Yes, thank you. Very well said.

I've said before...Gunner originally brought up the money issue here and is clearly insecure and obsessed by it. I'm sure he jokes around with his wife about her being with him only for his money...just like my DH "jokes" about the fact that I'm probably going to sleep with some young hot guy because I'm better looking and younger than him and he can't make a baby with me.

It has everything to do with HIS insecurities and nothing to do with where MY head is. I may look into artificial insemination but I have less than no interest in younger men. I think that Gunner made $$$ the issue in this marriage well before his wife did, and now she's just following suit. I also think that it's VERY wrong to promise support to your spouse (whether that promise is verbal or implicit) and then withdraw it with almost zero notice and no recourse. That's just crappy behavior, and of course his wife's feelings are hurt by it. That doesn't mean she's only with him for his money...just that his help was something she was relying on and now, after attempting (admittedly poorly) to communicate some frustrations she's having in the marriage, he takes it away immediately. That is his first and only play. Here's what I read:

Wife doesn't want to go on vacation with his kids, tries to talk to him about it

Gunner responds. Fine then. We'll go without you...and I want half of that vacation fund you saved up (he brings $$ into the discussion first because of his insecurities about it)

Wife won't give the vacation fund.

Gunner responds. Well, fine then. I'm withdrawing all but the most basic support by paying bills I would be paying whether you were here or not since I own this home and don't intend to sell but absolutely nothing else. (Escalating, upping the ante and, again, making it all about the $$)

Wife gets upset.

Gunner: "See! I knew it! She's just in it for my money!"

I can't believe people can't see this basic, controlling pattern. In my mind, Gunner's wife was responding (very poorly) to an incredibly short-sighted and unloving move on Gunner's part. I don't care about the details of who said what when or who was meaner. We all know women are usually more verbally devastating than men. Why is it so hard to admit that men typically have more power in a relationship...especially when they have more money...and acknowledge how that can make women feel?

Gunner - you've also never once told us what your wife's specific issues are with your kids other than the backpack incident. You are very specific about what she expects financially and bring up those details every post, which makes her look bad to some here, but you're always vague about her issues and difficulties with the kids, which might give us some more insight into her thoughts and feelings. Why withhold those specifics? Several of us have asked on several occasions...what are her issues with your kids? Also, you have said that you have close to 50/50 with your kids and that you are very involved and do everything for them and that you cook many nights and...etc., etc., etc. I just find that SO very hard to believe from a high-earner in the medical profession. I have many family members who are specialty doctors, pediatric surgeons, RN's, etc. I can't recall that any of them were "highly active" or attentive parents when they were in the height of their earning power, and they leaned on spuses and extended family a lot. Is it possible that you are leaning on your current wife quite a bit more than you're willing to admit?

TwoOfUs's picture

I think people, like me, pointing out his wife's perspective and his mistakes in all this aren't being one-sided...initially they were responding to Gunner's actual request - help me see my wife's perspective, please? What did I do Wrong? THAT was what he initially came here and asked for...that was literally the title of his post...and that's what some have been trying to provide. Not realizing it was, perhaps, a rhetorical question all along.

I think it's gotten more polarized as a somewhat vocal majority instantly started bashing his wife without knowing all the details, calling her a gold-digger and whore, and telling him he should divorce her immediately. I think there are clearly two (or more) sides to this story, and I think those who seem that they are being "harsh" on Gunner are simply responding to the myopic view of those who (very predictably, I might add) jump immediately to the "stepmoms are just pure evil and you should ditch her now!" response.

As for your first paragraph - I read a lot in Gunner's posts that indicated they were BOTH being reactive and immature in their communication with each other. They were BOTH escalating rather than attempting to understand the other. So why is Gunner's wife being punished for it? And before you say: "It's not a punishment!!" Um...yes. It is, whether you want to see it that way or not. Though the very fact that you and many others respond with something along the lines of: "Ha HAAA! Well what did the foolish B**** expect for doing XY&Z anyway?!" proves that you all actually do know it's a punishment for her behavior.

PS. I believe he said both his ex and his current wife earn around 30K.

Pharlap's picture

Okay but isn't her saying the kids can't come over for thier summer visitation schedule and not allowed on the vacation her way of punishing him? Just different currencies, and yes, his definitely has a lot more sting to it but hers are just as ridiculous as his.

Like I said before, they are both pretty immature, but its not hard to see why he decided to do what he did re: the money if they are just playing tit for tat with each other and trying to "win" instead of compromise.

TwoOfUs's picture

Well...that's been my position all along. That it's been tit-for-tat rather than compromise from the very beginning. Yes, they've both been trying to throw their weight around with each other with varying degrees of success...it's just Gunner has more weight.

I guess my having more empathy for Gunner's wife in this whole sordid saga has to do with a couple things:

1.) I am a stepmom, so I understand that the challenges we face are unique and very different than those faced by stepfathers;

2.) I think the person with the greater power in the relationship has the greater responsibility to be kind and not abuse that power. I think Gunner's actions have been clearly unloving, unkind, and an abuse of power...and I read his wife's actions as a response to that (aka, she didn't start making any demands until he requested the vacation fund and did a bait-and-switch on the backpack issue, THEN she got upset and started trying to get her way), and

3.) In subsequent posts after the initial vacation / backpack incidents, I've seen Gunner's wife making tons of compromises while Gunner makes none and stays rigid, demanding "proof" of her love and loyalty to him. To me, that is rather sick, gross behavior intended to humiliate and put someone in their place...and not a sign of a loving, restored marriage. He's essentially demanding that she prove to him that she loves him absolutely unconditionally (which is an absurd requirement) while doing nothing to elicit that love or to make any show of faith that her feelings and concerns matter to him. He's essentially setting her up for failure...just like he did with the backpack incident.

Anyway. That's my take on it. My harsher responses were really directed at the usual suspect stepmom-bashers on the forum rather than Gunner himself. I hope Gunner can get to a place where he's loving and caring for his wife while also feeling good about his contributions rather than feeling used. That certainly may mean having some deep conversations and scaling back on what he provides for his wife...but I don't think it should mean cutting her off completely and with little notice. I feel he's setting the marriage up for failure if he expects his wife to make all the compromises and not feel even greater resentment about it than she does already.

twoviewpoints's picture

You're here talking to mostly women. Women who are stepmothers. Women who have difficult relationships with their own stepchildren. Women who have sometimes financially had to support their households because their choice in partners is already financially assisting in supporting his biological children. Some of these women are wife number two or three, some number four. Women who have had to decide if she afford a child with her new husband due to his previous commitments . Women who have stepchildren who visit their homes anywhere from 50/50 to a mere two 48hr rounds a month.

On your other site, one full of men, you are talking with other men in your own position who love their children, unconditionally overlook their children's faults and don't view them as financial burdens, users and abusers and children who disrespect and unaccept.

Any other questions?

ESMOD's picture

I think that women are generally tougher on other women. That is one reason. The other is that from everything you write, your wife's interest in you appears to revolve around your bank account. You appear to be very well off financially. Enough so that not only can you fund a fairly rich life for your own bio kids, but you are also able to pay for your full new household plus pay your wife's bills and chip in towards her kids' education. That is a LOT of money flowing out. I think a lot of people see her anger at money flowing towards your kids as being particularly rankling because you are helping HER kids and she isn't even making their father step up to the plate.

That just screams gold digger to most people.

Again, women are judgemental of other women, your wife is a soft and juicy target for her gold digging ways. She also appears reminiscent of the GUBM mind set that I want what I have.. plus what you have.... What you are freely offering her isn't enough.. she wants more.

nengooseus's picture

On the flip side, your ex needs to be helping pay for your kids private schooling as well. Doesn't necessarily need to be half, but even a token amount would be good to show your wife that you're willing to practice what you preach.

I find it ironic that Gunner wants his wife to file for CS and is irate that her X isn't contributing to raising his skids, but doesn't understand *at all* why his wife would be irritated that Gunner's X isn't contributing to raising those kids.

TwoOfUs's picture

I so totally DO want a man like Gunner who will try to control me, force me to suppress my feelings and limit my voice in my own home by giving or withdrawing his affection. How did you know?!

Thumper's picture

WHY KATE, your not wearing a bustle. Random thought from movie Tombstone

GUNNER is random too AND yes Monkey apparently the memo has not reached everyone Wink

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

I think alot of frustration comes from the fact that it looks like your wife is clearly using you for you money.

I mean you just said that she asked you to cover her kids school, you said no, and now she's punishing you again.

But it seems like you just can't accept this. Which is to a point understandable. You wanr the marriage to work but this women has very clearly told you that your kids don't matter. Not just that she doesn't like them but that they shouldn't be in your joint home. You shouldn't be supporting them. So on and so on. This step mother doesn't care about her role as a step parent and just wants you to take care of her and her own. To hell with your children.

As step parents many people here find that so wrong and just can't understand why you would keep a women like that in your life. Your children are being completely rejected by your wife and from what I understand you haven't provided any reason why. So why aren't you protecting them from her hateful and selfish behavior.

So many people here are working with spouses to gain more time or even any sort of relationship with their children. You have this and don't seem to care that this women is in fact hurting your relationship with your children. You are not putting the kids first as so many of us understand has to happen.

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

I guess my point is that your speaking to a page of stepmothers about a stepmother.

This women is getting away with things that many here would never dream of trying. She is confirming the stereotype of the evil stepmother which has impacted every single stepmother at some point if not constantly and you're letting her.

There are so many amazing women here who have stepped up. They put their heart on the line. They sacrifice any resemblance of a "normal" life. They respect and love their pieced together family. Then there's this women who is doing things that most on this site would never dream of doing because it's just WRONG.

It frustrates them and yes they blame you. You keep defending this women in a way while step mothers are repeatedly expected to ignore themselves for the good of the child.

Acratopotes's picture

Gunner - I did not read all the comments, cause I do not agree with half of it lol..

1. Why are woman and men giving you different advice... cause we are different. Men see it as a wife at home who will look after their kids and prepare meals and keep house. Men do not get it that yes I might be a woman but that does not make me motherly towards another woman's off springs... I hate them why cause they are not mine and reminds me off my husband having sex with another woman...... in short that's how allot of second wives feel.

2. We see things differently, woman analyze way more then men, woman work out predictions in their heads, we are way more complex then men

Now from me, I've told you from day one this woman is only with you because of your money. Now and again she's returning a favor in allowing you to have sex with her. Every time you want to leave she promise to change and then wham she hits you in counseling. Let me guess a female counselor right, and your wife thought she would take her side and not tell her stop relying on Gunners money. This woman managed to make you think you are not worthy of love or any other woman, and you belief it currently... stop that crap immediately, for every pot in this world there's a lid that fits perfectly, regardless if the pot is bend or full of bumps.. there's a lid that will fit. Your lid is not fitting Sir, accept it and move on.

The money thing will always be an issue between you and your current wife, I do agree with you, if you can manage to maintain your kids life style and give your new wife and kids a better life style they would've had without you, then by all means, go ahead.

I will get pissed off if you give all your money to your first family and I have to support you,

You love this woman, but does she love you back or is she pretending.... the only way to find this out is to separate, I'm not saying divorce yet, simply separate and start dating again... take her on dates and pay every thing, spoil her and her only.... do not give her money. If she's still with you after 6 months, she would have learned to support her self and then she loves you.... separation means, you do not contribute 5 cents to her house hold or her life style, the only support you give is expensive dinners.. oh and through the months she must feel free to talk to you about her finances and show you how she progress, if she loves you she will do this, you can show her how you've cut back on money to the ex wife..... it's no use if she goes in further and further in debt and you have to bail her out after 6 months... then she's playing you...

Acratopotes's picture

I'm not talking about Mrs Gunner or Mr Gunner - if you read the whole thing, I was saying I = me.. how I would feel... not him and not his wife

WalkOnBy's picture

Reading...it's fundemental.

Looks like RIF needs to make a comeback in the states.

anyone think Betsy DeVos will support it? Blum 3 Blum 3 Blum 3 Blum 3 Blum 3

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Men and women communicate differently.

For example: my nephew's wife asked him to do the dishes - not something he usually does. He DID - he washed them, dried them, put them away, and wiped off the table. She was mad that he didn't wipe down the stove and sweep the floor. Well, she didn't ASK him to do those things. She asked him to do the dishes and he did EXACTLY WHAT SHE ASKED. Had she asked him to do the dishes AND tidy up the kitchen, well, that's a different story. He didn't mean to make her mad, but he takes things literally and she didn't communicate what SHE sees as "doing the dishes".

Men are typically literal creatures. Women, not so much.

TwoOfUs's picture

Amen.

HRNYC gets under my skin, but at least she has a consistent viewpoint and is clearly invested in making the site an interesting, lively place for debate. Lashy just likes to attack, attack, attack and spew vitriol toward stepmoms.

Why can't we have anything nice?!

Aniki-Moderator's picture

I'd like a nice Mexican coffee, but the vending machines at work don't carry those...

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Lately, that's been the case with a couple of others on here... You don't tell them what they want to hear and they go off. Sigh...

ESMOD's picture

I know right?

There will be literally 50 replies telling them their perspective is off and they will latch on to the one or two responses that agree with their POV.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Yep. They want validation; NOT help. And they're PO'd that anyone would DARE advise them anything and you should commiserate or fack off. Pfffft.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

True. Some don't want it 'fixed' - they want their partner to kowtow to their wants.

TwoOfUs's picture

From his previous posts...I kind of believe this may be something he just noticed, actually.

TwoOfUs's picture

Gunner - there's actually some great advice available online about how to handle income inequality in a relationship. Here's one good article:

http://www.moneycrashers.com/how-to-handle-income-inequality-in-marriage/

Look especially at #3 (Power Struggles) in the section about problems that this issue can cause in a marriage...and then maybe multiply those feelings described by 100 for your wife who also has to deal with stepkids and watch you fully support another woman.

Also, under the solutions section, look at #1, #6, and #8. Specifically:

"If you resent your spouse because he or she is spending too much money, talk about it. Just remember to start any discussion about money in a loving manner, without accusing the other of wrongdoing. The two of you are teammates in life, and shouldn’t treat things like a competition or a battle. Help each other out!"

I think a big part of your problem here is that you went into the situation expecting or assuming your wife was using you...essentially accusing her when you asked for half the vacation fund (that was your stated motivation for asking for it...to find out if she wants you or your wallet), which naturally hurt her feelings. There's really no place for this kind of "litmus test" in a loving marriage, and I think your wife is smart enough to know that and to sense the resentment and true motivation behind the request.

"If the two spouses have different salaries, the higher-earning spouse should not penalize the other person for working in a lower-paying job. The spouse may want a higher-paying job, but has always been passed over for promotion, or, conversely, the spouse might be happy in the lower-paying job. Whatever the reason for the discrepancy in income levels, it shouldn’t be a point of contention."

I feel like you may have brought your wife up to your standard of living and wined and dined her while you were dating and then started resenting the income disparity and making it a point of contention after you were married. If so, this likely feels very unfair and unloving to your wife, and she's struggling to process what this means for her at this point.

"Be flexible. Chip in and do more than your share in special situations. Perhaps your spouse needs extra money for an essential, one-time purchase, or wants to lend money to a family member. Spend a little less that month, and let your spouse have a larger percentage of your combined income."

I think a lack of flexibility and empathy are the main problems you need to solve with your wife right now, not who's paying for what and what's most fair. There are many ways that your behavior has been unfair...but there are also legitimate resentments that you have. I think the answer is to have patience, talk it through, and proceed in a loving manner rather than trying to "win" an argument or penalize your wife for her behavior.

Again...just my two cents. But, assuming you do want the marriage to work, I think if you do some very basic reading in financial journals and other resources about this very issue, you'll see how people in a similar situation to yours handle it...or should handle it.

Thumper's picture

^^YES^^ he is. BUT wait, I am sure he is at home cooking his wife her favorite meal. No maybe SHE is home making HIS favorite dinner. OR

He is mad she is not home cooking his favorite meal. Maybe they are sitting by the pool having drinks.

THAT could be it.

SacrificialLamb's picture

No, "Gunner" just switches browsers, starts a thread under another name or trolls other threads making ridiculous comments.

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

Sadly there are men out there that are ok with it because it gives them what they want too. My aunt married for money and he married to have a good looking wife who takes care of the house. I mean it works for them but then again there are no minor children involved.

Thumper's picture

HEY GUNNER, I will play.

To answer your question: Because men are wired differently than women that's why.

How about YOU tell us what they guys are saying? OK?

ldvilen's picture

This is more a general comment vs. specific advice re: Why is the advice so different from woman and men?

One thing I will tell you, and pretty much any woman here can back me up on it, is that I have known several women who were conniving, manipulating, controlling beyond belief. And, all of the women around her get this and know this. BUT, all of the men around her, will be feeling sorry for her, think she is interesting, strong and so on. These women are not necessarily attractive (usually they are not), nor to the best of my knowledge that good in bed, nor rich, and do not seem to possess anything that any other woman around them could see that a man would even remotely be drawn to. Yet, this woman is able to suck in men every time.

Is it pheromones? I don't know. I only know that at my age I have now known more than a few of this type of woman--conniving, controlling, bitchy even--yet they spend most of their adult life burning through men and able to discard and move on from man to man, marrying a couple of times in-between, and these women always come out smelling like a rose. I don't know if your wife is one of those or not, but I know they do exist because I've witnessed it multiple times.

So, something to think about. These type of women are also very competitive with other women, and feel "rightly" superior to them. Some of them even have what I'd call borderline personality disorders. I just think these type of women instinctively know that a man can provide them what they most need, and they hone in on this with every guy, playing every man like a Stradivari, and when another "better" one comes along, they move on.

Again, I'm not saying that is the case here. I'm just saying that the advise differs between men and women because men and women are different. Something might be very clear to most women, but men, for example, may just think the women are being jealous. I'm sure it goes the other way too. I do think women know women better and men know men better.