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Yesterdays's picture

Im also thinking on my week with the kids. Usually my ex provides some drives. I don't want to be dependant on him considering his controlling tendencies so I am considering just telling him that I will drive my son back and forth from school to my house every day. Usually I helped on his weeks and he helped on mine.

This would be A LOT of driving. Mon to Fri. Two round trip drives of an hour per day. My husband said he can help. Maybe I pay the girls a hefty amoint to drive him one time. On another day he ubers to the city bus and comes to my house. ANYTHING to be free of this controlling man. I'm feeling suffocated by him. Should I tell them thanks for the help but no thanks... 

I have cancer and so obviously this is not easy as I feel bad and need rest. I often have bad side effects or treatment. But however I just feel like I need to be free from this man's grip and his "help"  because it feels gross and controlling to me 

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Yesterdays's picture

Of course at the beginning he said he could help with drives of our son on my week and I texted recently and asked him what's going to happen with driving my son this week and he didn't reply whatsoever. He's being so weird right now so I don't know what will happen next week with my son getting here

He originally said he would help some on my weeks 

2 of every 3 weeks I have chemo and clinic appointments and I often have other tests related to the cancer like CT scans and whatnot

I used to help on his week with driving the girls to his house but they have the license now so HIS week is essentially figured out..

ESMOD's picture

IMHO the two issues are not really separate.

I think that one of the main issues you are dealing with is that your EX (or his wife is pushing the narrative).. thinks he is being taken advantage of.

I think that initially, he was willing to be generous, be the "bigger man" when his EX, the mother of his children, was dying.. and would before long leave him as the only parent.  He wasn't worried as much about a few rides here and there.. or even being flexible so you could have more time with the kids.. considering your diagnosis.

BUT.. now.. it's a few years down the road.. and either HE.. or his WIFE (she doesn't look all that sick to me honey).. is tired of being a nice guy (maybe not a natural thing for him.. hence he is your ex)... He has become less willing to be helpful and accomodating.. because.. "how long will he be expected to give up time.. and bend over backwards"

And.. when he asked for what HE/They thought was a reasonable pitch in for a used car, you declined.. because your finances aren't the same.. and you felt that he would be getting the relatively bigger benefit.  So.. maybe this is somewhat about saying "Hey.. you didn't think the car was going to help you.. I had to pay for it all myself.. I'm not going to let it benefit you".. and by benefit you.. it would mean relieving YOU of any rides.. giving you MORE time with any of your kids (when the girls want to stay over).

IT can also be about your girls getting ready to graduate and move on.. maybe he is feeling the fear of letting go.. and feels that he somehow gave up time with them.. thinking it wouldn't be for very long.. now they are getting ready to leave "home".

I don't know exactly what the best way forward it.. other than anything that you don't have to "ask for his cooperation or help).. is probably better.

I think that you probably need to stop asking him to provide rides on your week.  Either you, your husband need to take care of that somehow.. as difficult as that might be.  You need to stop being in the position of having to beg him for assistance. 

I also think you need to get the girls a car (have THEM pay for the car.).. and instead of paying your EX towards his insurance.. they go on yours with the car that you help them get.  I know it may not be super easy to swing that.. but I think they really need it.. they both are earning money.. and between three of you.. you will need to figure out how to get it done.

I'm not sure what you can do about your EX wanting to stick to CO days.. even when it is a pain for the kids and adults.. but clearly he has decided he no longer is willing to continue being the accomodating guy.

Whether he thinks you exagerated your condition.. whether it's just that he thought it would not be this long.. he is done being a nice guy about it.  you probably can't change that.. but you can change whether you have to rely on that jerk

Yesterdays's picture

Thank you Esmod. Your response is really helpful. I can't even begin to express thanks to you for this. I am crying. So much weight on my shoulders. I want it to be lifted. I want to be free of him and like you said not have to rely on him or beg or ask favours. It's a relief to even say this!! 

Yesterdays's picture

You hit the nail on the head with everything about my medical condition. Truth is my health may deteriorate even more if the cancer spreads. And.. Thinking ahead... When it does... I don't want to rely on him even farther!!! So I need a PLAN that is not reliant on him.. I don't trust him and I don't trust his motives and what he does

Lillywy00's picture

^Agreed

Men think if you're not doubled over in a hospital bleeding out then "you're just fine" so get to work and take care of these kids. 
 

Ma'am you seem really sweet but unfortunately sometimes this world isnt sweet and these people WILL take advantage of you. 
 

You better start doing like this BM over here and tell him you can't do it (even if you can). And let him help you with those kids. Fake cry, put some ambiant hospital sounds in the background if you call him, run multiple guilt trips. Let your husband be your assistant and deal with him. I bet he will act right when he's dealing with another man. 
 

Yesterdays's picture

Omg I thought you meant beg to my EX at first. Lol. Nooooooo. You mean get my husband to step up? I haven't mentioned it but he has been absolutely amazing in this way! He helps with a couple drives on the girls weeks. I always go in the passenger side even if I don't feel well. Lately he's been picking up my son after school rather than me doing it in the evening. It's not really that much. He's working halfway between our house and his school. 

Yesterdays's picture

I also came up with the idea to have my son Uber to the mall. (there's no city bus route... Cause it's a country school). Then... He takes the same city bus to my house as the girls were doing from the mall. I think it will work!! I will pay any amount of money to get my son here if I can't do the drive myself. And if it removes my nasty ex from the equation 

Mominit's picture

You're upset that he's not doing things your way. But he's not going to. That's probably one of the reasons you divorced. The two of you just don't have the same ideas, plans, and generally don't seem to get along. If you don't want to be at his whims, you have to get him out of it  He offered to go in on a car with the caveat that if you didn't, he wouldn't be letting it be used for your house or your benefit. And that's exactly what he's doing. Whether you agree or not, whether it makes sense or not, he's being true to what he said he would do.
 

if you can swing a car, which gives the girls the freedom and flexibility you're hoping for (on your weeks), that would be great. It allows them to help, it allows your husband to help, and it cuts your ex right out of the picture of needing to be helpful.

I also agree with ESMOD about timing. I know a lot of people when they divorce tend to give away the sun and the moon out of guilt, or out of the need to be free. When he heard you had cancer, he probably agreed to do a lot of things thinking it would be very short term. As you have managed to fight, he's turning back into an ex, and running out of helpfulness. Anything you can do to separate yourself from need to rely on him is better.

As for the CO, you won't likely agree there either. He wants the girls to cling to the CO until the time they grow up and leave the nest. You want them to come and go freely. I think this is a parallel parenting moment. You each raise them as you see fit. Don't encourage them to argue with their Dad. Leave their relationship in their hands.

If he's willing to continue driving your son, and you expect nothing from him in return, I see no harm in that continuing. But if it's like ripping off a bandage, and easier just to keep all transportation to the house it's in, I get that too!

 

Yesterdays's picture

I texted my ex. I said I will provide all of the drives for my son moving forward on my week with the kids. He was understanding. I said I appreciate all of the drives that he has done. He said that if I needed the odd drive please ask. 

So I guess that went well. 

Yesterdays's picture

I feel there's still this whole other issue of the girls wanting a bit of autonomy. My ex has said the reason he wanted his Tuesdays back again was because he misses the girls. I do get that too because I haven't seen my son as much. That's how it was arranged.

I'm going to back off now a bit and just see how it plays out. I'm going to give them complete freedom on my week with coming and going and using the car. And then I'll see what happens. 

Mominit's picture

I think that's an awesome approach. Like the serenity prayer. Your giving them freedom at your house, and letting go of everything else. Strong and flexible. Yay!

Rags's picture

He is showing you who  he is. He did it years ago when he took them on a 10day trip then would not let you have the time he stole back because he could not fathom not seeing them for 10 days.

This is just more of his manipulative bullshit.

Other than facilitating the kids having autonamy, I do not know what else  you can do.  I would suggest that you get a car for their use.  Your DS will turn 16 soon and injecting some "circumvent dad" options may be worth the investment.  You own the car, put it on your insurance. If XH interferes, there may be some legal action you can take since it is YOUR car.

Take care of you.

Yesterdays's picture

One thing that I think happens to a certain extent... All these years have gone by of treating them a certain way and now all of the sudden they're almost adults now! Like where has all that time went? And now they are growing up and can handle more responsibility I don't think they necessarily have to be restrained by mom and dads idea of the absolute perfect custody schedule. What if my daughter wants to see her bf and then sleep over here. What if they want to drive and see their cousins at dad's house on mom's weekend...

Too rigid is not going to be good.

I guess I am just saying we've been in this mode for so long... We're use to the mode. The mode is good and feels comfortable and familiar. But as we get older we fly from the nest eventually. This is all in preparation and advance of that. 

ESMOD's picture

I do agree with you.. and many times that extra flex is workable when kids get older.. we were able to do it for my Skids when they were older.

But.. when you have one person that is going to be rigid.. then the reality is that sometimes just "going by the CO".. is the best because it is at least certainty and doesn't require constant back and forth.

Sure.. he should be more flexible.. but he may see it that the flex would only work "one way".. that they will be with you more because of their social and work life. (which is logical since they go to school in your district)... 

You can be flexible.. but you can't make him be.. you can choose to do it when it makes sense to give up your time.. and while it's frustrating that he won't "give" on this.. the reality is that in the balance you would likely end up getting more time.. which he isn't interested in accomodating because it means he loses time.

Yesterdays's picture

I can still urge them to communicate with their father and just hope for the best. Eventually he has to let go. I don't think he wants kids living there forever.. Dead set court order seems unrealistic at that age to me. There is no contempt of court order at this age. Also they have a license 

I don't think he's being entirely reasonable 

Idk Esmod I do see what you're saying only to an extent 

Being too rigid with them isn't going to be good as they get much older

Agree to disagree there I guess 

Yesterdays's picture

I feel like his actions are a bit controlling and manipulative the way he is explicitly only allowing the car on certain days and its quite obvious...like he's preventing any sort of contact with me or pop in whatsoever and to me THAT feels quite controlling. That's the vibe I get from it. To an extent I feel like he's trying to set a new "precedence"  and this is how he's going about "the new normal" of rather than saying outright how he feels which is.... hey don't go to moms at all. I can read through the lines. It's obvious.