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My step-daughter has come out.....her Bio-Mom is gay too...

Floridaparents's picture

Hi All,
My 16 year old step-daughter has just come out to her Dad. He is having a difficult time with it - he has told her he loves and supports her and will always be there for her, but personally, between me and him, he has told me that is extremely difficult for him. Visibly, it has aged him and he is hurting. She has always been Daddy's girl.
There is a history there - He has three kids with his ex. They had been married around 13 years. She had a gay affair about 5 years ago while he was out of the country with the USAF. She left him for this woman (one of his good friends then, now her life partner). They divorced and have joint custody - kids are one week with us, one week with them. Suprisingly, it has really been a good system as we live very close by, with lots of co-operation and communication. There have been some small problems with his ex's life partner about scenarios with the kids, but I am sure they would say that about me too...!! Everyone has their own way and it is sometimes difficult for a Step-mom to thread a path between kids, ex's, life partners and hubbies...! Our 16 year old was 12/13 at the time it all happened and went to counseling. My relationship with her is cordial, sometimes very friendly and open, but as a Daddy's girl she has always been wary with me. I have told her that while I love her very, very much I do not expect her to love me in return or even like me, but to understand my part in her Dad's life.
In the past year she has really looked for her Mom's attention - she has told us that her mom spends all her time with her partner and does not think of her... Honestly, I realise that she probably has been telling similar stories about us to them too as every teenager does...
However, there have been many times when her mom has made some promises to her and not kept them - our daughter has been hurt as a result . Our counsellor has told us that she does tend to compensate by trying harder and harder to get mom's attention.
This year our daughter has been a founding member of the Gay-Straight Alliance at her High School. We are very proud of her for that as she had to really work hard with the administration for it. Her Dad did not necessarily like to talk and hear about it all day, every day, but he has always been supportive and listened to her. However, she has complained to us that even her doing that club has not got her mom's full attention...As a result all summer she told us she wanted to live with us full-time and hated living over there - we always told her that she couldn't do that to her Mom and that she had to talk to her about about the issues over there and work them out like an adult. She has also mentioned how she likes the club because she is now "cool" in school.
At the end of the summer she had an argument with us about not doing her chores at our house (a small argument..!) and immediately decided she wanted to try to live with mom full-time. He agreed, although he hated it, after much discussion with everyone, and so for the past 4 months she has been living full-time over there. She sees him regularly and calls almost every night with some complaint about living over there.
I try to remember how it was as a teenager and know that sometimes they do not put a priority on their parents. However, over the past few months she has really gone out of her way to build a relationship with her mom, and many times has hurt her Dad or let him down by breaking promises she has made to him.... He was very ill about 2 months ago and almost died in hospital. All the time he was sick she did not visit him or call him, or even ask about him...her own Dad..! Her relationship with her blood-parents right now just seems to be so one-sided and unfair to her Dad. Maybe she realises that Dad will always be there so she does not have to work on that relationship....
My question is this: How do I help support her choice while being supportive of my husband...? Honestly I am very frustrated with her as many of our family think this is a phase/another thing to get Mom's attention. In fact her mom has now asked that our daughter live with us on a more permanent basis beginning this week - she has told us that this is because our daughter is becoming a little too much for her to handle behaviour-wise on her own.
I really feel that she is all about getting her mom's attention all the while not thinking about her Dad who really is always there for her and mostly, supportive of what she wants to do in life. In my position, as an almost out-sider, I can see how hurt he gets and get very frustrated with her for it.
What can I do - I am so afraid of saying the 'wrong' thing to our daughter and possibly alientating her, and also just do not know how to be supportive of my husband - he has asked that we stop talking about it for a while as it is so hurtful to him (although he has agreed with me that right now, at this sensitive stage, he should always be willing to talk about it with our daughter and support her) and it is extremely difficult to do this when I know he is hurting. I know I should be all about 'looking after her' and being considerate of what she wants to do with her life and be supportive...and I really do try, but who is there to look out for my husband.....?!!
Also, and I know this is not the 'cool' way to think, but maybe living with her mom and seeing a strong gay successful couple, has made her think "if you can't beat them, join them"...if she really is gay then I want to be as supportive as possible - it is her life and I honestly believe that when you find the person that is right for you it does not matter about gender - her mom and life partner seem to be very successful as a couple and, usually, as a family support unit for the kids.... BUT, if she is just doing this for her mom's attention, or to be "cool" in school then she is in for a life of hard knocks....
How can I be supportive of her choices while being a good parent...? How can I support my husband right now...?

Rags's picture

My SS went through a phase where everyone though he was gay. During that time I struggled with the possibility and with how I would deal with my own feelings and deal with him if that were the case.

I came to the conclusion that regardless I would love and support him. He is my son.

However, my wife and discussed it and decided that if SS did come out (even his mom thought it likely at that time that he was gay) that we would tell him that we love him and would always have his back but that life is hard enough without adding the additional challenge of living life as a homosexual.

So far it is not looking too likely that SS is gay. He is starting to chase tail like a randy dog and the girls are starting to swarm.

But, I think the message is viable in the event that the future should turn his attentions and affections to the home team.

We will love him and have his back but would hope that he would not have to suffer through the complications of life as a gay man.

As far as your possibly lesbian SD. It is certainly possible that she is an "attention lesbian" and is motivated by the positive attention she gets at school for her GSA activities and by the attention she gets from her lesbian mother now that she has "come out". I have a good friend who has three beautiful daughters who are each married to nice, successful guys with beautiful children and successful marriages. While in college all three girls were "lesbians". They had relationships with other college aged women, they also dated men. All three of the girls decided that there was less drama and distraction within their lesbian relationships so they were "lesbians" in college. My friend refers to his girls as his "lipstick lesbians".

They are young women who dressed like young women and behaved like young women and cultivated significant interests and friends ships with young men (they all three married guys they were friends with in either HS or college) while in college but to avoid the complications and risks of out of wedlock pregnancies, STDs and having to deal with the immature crap that tends to accompany relationships with young men in their teens and early 20's they stuck primarily to women.

So, your SD-16 may just be stretching her wings a bit and leveraging the success she has found with her GSA activities for positive reinforcement with her mother.

Or not. Either way I would recommend that you and DH should have her back on this and tell her that you have her back as well about your concerns about her choice.

IMHO of course.

ThatGirl's picture

Very nice response Smile

But how can she help her husband over the hurt. I understand why he's feeling this way, it's hard enough to deal with the realization of a gay child, knowing the difficulties they will face. But he's probably also reliving the hurt he felt when his wife left him for another woman. Maybe he's wondering if he's somehow responsible for all of this? Maybe he's afraid of losing his daughter, just as he lost his wife?

Rags's picture

TG,

Other than refocusing DH on parenting SD-16 and supporting her as much as possible in her new found sexual orientation while expressing his concerns about his daughters choice I am not sure if there is a way for the OP to help her DH with the hurt. Time is really the only thing that dulls this kind of hurt. At least it was for me when I went through the divorce from my adulterous XW.

I lost her to her geriatric fortune 500 executive sugar daddy which was bad enough. I am not sure if loosing her to a woman would have been any easier since there is no way I can compete with a woman or if it would have been much harder because I had failed to keep from loosing her to a woman much less another man. :? I will have to think about that a get back to you if I come to some epiphany.

Having lost my XW to someone else I can understand the OP's DH being hurt by his daughter’s choice to follow in her adulterous BMs lesbian footsteps.

I will say this. Lesbianism I get. As a man I love women so why wouldn't another woman love women?

Gay men are a little bit more difficult for me to understand at a gut level. I don't have a huge problem with the concept in general, for other people and other families, but it is something I would rather not have my son or nephews do. Conceptually as a man I think I would have less of a problem with a lesbian daughter than a gay son. Why I think this I really don't know it is a gut feel thing more than a considered perspective.

Best regards,

Asher10's picture

"He is starting to chase tail" chase tail rags? lol when did you turn into the horny wolf from the looney tunes cartoons???eeek!If I wasn't so laid back i'd be officially offended! Blum 3 Blum 3

Rags's picture

Asher,

I resurrected a phrase I heard my granddad use when I was in my teens. Sorry about my horny Looney Toons wolf words.

What I meant to say is "he is beginning to notice and be lured by the beauty and feminine wiles of the fairer, equally capable and far more inspiring sex".

How is that for a PC replacement for "chasing tail".

Did I recover from nearly "officially offend(ing)" you?

Wink Wink

Asher10's picture

Aah yes Rags,you have redeemed yourself and fully recovered from almost officially offending me Biggrin Blum 3

mom2five's picture

Ugh...Hard one. The question is, is she really gay or is she seeking her mom's approval?

One of my dearest friends is gay. She has been with her partner forever. And I love them so, so much. If I were gay, she would totally be my crush. She is beautiful, successful, funny, loving, caring..... Just all around a wonderful person. But it hasn't been an easy road for them. That has to be tough for any parent. You naturally want life to be easy for your kids.

I would just offer unconditional support. She is still very young. Kids think that sexuality is an either/or scenario. But it's not. It's a spectrum. It takes some people a lot of time and effort to figure out where they belong in terms of their sexuality.

stormabruin's picture

I agree with Rags. DH said BM had come out as a lesbian at one point in their marriage. She left him for awhile & had several "lesbian" relationships. Then she decided she was straight again & came back.

As far as I know she hasn't had lesbian relationships since then. I guess maybe she's bi, but I'm leaning more toward her just having been curious.

At 16, maybe having been exposed to the lesbian lifestyle she really is curious. Maybe it's just for attention & will pass.

However, if it does turn out that she's a lesbian at heart, she will need your support.

If your husband doesn't want to talk to you about it, try not to push it. As long as you're both on the same page as far as supporting your SD & as long as he understands that he needs to be willing to talk with her about it should she turn to him, things will be okay.

I know with my DH he avoids conversation about his kids like the plague. It's depressing for him, & I understand that. When he feels the need to talk about it, he will. When I need to talk to someone about it (which is more often than he does) I come here.

It sounds like you're doing everything you can. Like Rags said, life is hard without that additional challenge. If she chooses to live the lifestyle, she'll need to know she can turn to you. Smile

on the fence's picture

It seem to me that she may be just seeking her mother's approval in this case because of some things you mentioned in your post.

I guess if it were me, I'd just let her be however she needs to be and know that it's either real or she will outgrow it, but she just needs supportive parents like any kid regardless of orientation. I wouldn't dwell on it or make it a big deal. It's cool that she's worked so hard in her club and that should be supported just like any other club or accomplishment because she put so much effort into it.

As far as your DH goes, he should realize that she is and always will be daddy's little girl no matter what. Her hurting his feelings has nothing to do with her "coming out", but everything to do with her trying to please BM it seems like. All kids hurt parents' feelings at some point and if they were close they tend to come back once they have established their separateness. She could just be a confused, rebellious teen right now. It's quite the age!

Maybe he could talk to her about breaking promises. It seems that's the main issue between DH and her.

overit2's picture

It can happen. My bf's BM also had lesbian relationships after they split_VERY shortly after so there is suspicion this went on before. They now continue off/on. Consequently he now has a BIG issue w/lesbians. Not even is he that opposed towards gay men. I have quite an extensive list of gay men friends-but not lesbians..don't know why.

He's accepted and chats and hangs out w/me and my gay friends w/no hostility or issue.

BUT again, he has an issue w/lesbians. I can't change his mind. He also thinks that his exw traits of agression ties into this matter, and he actually has a strong suspicion that his D MAY try the same route. And he's NOT happy about it.

Him and I disagree on this matter big time...but he has said he would still love her but would let her know his huge dissaproval and would not continue a relationship w/her if that were the case.

Again-people are weird w/this matter, him and I disagree. I would HOPE my boys aren't gay simply because of the extra difficulties in life they would face but would love them and be there for them and still have a relationship just the same.

So far they both seem very attracted to girls though. But not sure what you can do to support him if he feels strongly against it.

Floridaparents's picture

Thanks Everyone for your replies - you have no idea how much they all helped.

Yes - She would always be 'Daddy's girl' no matter what...that would never change - I know that by mentioning that fact to her again at this time he just wanted to make sure she knew that and did not think there was any chance that he was rejecting her.

Thank you all again - I really appreciate all your time and energy...!