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Talking to teens about child support?

VetStepMommaBear's picture

SO's oldest DD is 15. She has an entitled streak and while she is a good kid in general, she does NOT understand or know the value of money. I blame both SO and BM for this, but mostly BM for her outlandish spending habits and inability to budget.

here is basically the deal... BM and SO were still married legally while he was deployed to Iraq. She was getting all his money which she was promptly spending on things other than the household bills. He was not spending anything. She bought the girls all kinds of expensive new toys and failed to pay even the mortgage for a large chunk of the time he was gone and wrote bad checks to a local business signing SO's name and he had to go to court and prove he did not write the check b/c he was DEPLOYED on the date it was written to clear his name and save his military career. BM was suspended from doing the finances for the church daycare where she works b/c she is suspected of stealing money from the daycare. She was in business with SO's BIL in the past and did some *ahem* illegal things and ended up stealing a few thousand from this business. SO did not know any of this until this year when the divorce was done and his family finally told him why they stopped talking to them. WTF??? ANyways... all that said, she only has that part time job at the daycare and has some health issues. He let her take some extra time to find a job (she has a degree that he paid for) and gave her his entire paycheck minus what he needed to get to work and back and to eat to make sure the girls and the house was taken care of. She chose to not use the money for those purposes. He did that for 2 months before he said "she's had time, this is no longer going to happen" and got an atty separate from hers (they did the divorce through hers) and SO and BM agreed on a specific amount based on state guidelines for CS and he gave her an extra $500-$600 a month to be considered "alimony" on top of that. It's about half of his paycheck going to her. During this time I was supportive of him doing this short term and was helping him what little I could with his own daily expenses. Once he stopped doing that, we now pay bills together (separate accounts. We are not married and do not live together per se) and we are still not well off, but we make it. She is getting plenty of money to pay her bills and get by plus she gets her money from her part time job. She has been "looking" for a job but keeps having excuses why this one or that one is not acceptable to her. Whatever. You take what you can get when you need money to pay bills!!!

So anyways... the last 2 paychecks of his were the first ones that he started giving her the CS and alimony out of instead of the whole thing. She apparently did not plan appropriately even though she knew it was coming. She has cell phones for all of them, plus a house phone, plus dish network with premium channels, plus internet through the cell phone provider, and then her normal bills which are lower than mine even though she has a larger house than I do which the bills thing is a whole other story.. my point is, she can turn some things off to save money just like I did when I started being on my own on bills and I didn't even have my ex paying CS like he was supposed to (working on that through my lawyer... whole other story). She is doing fine but is not budgeting. SO has offered to pay for part of the girls' pageant dresses that BM just bought as well as SD13's softball fees as they agreed if BM would give him a number. She was askd this twice last week and still has not told him how much. She must not be too bad off.

Well, the second time he went to pay BM, she was already calling the morning she knew his pay came asking for the money. He put it in by noon that same day just like he agreed to. That night, he got a message from SD15 on text. Her exact words were "Thank you for paying us. Seriously. Thank you." WHAT IN THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT???? SO he calls BM that night and she starts her ducking and dodging that she does when she knows she messed up and she "had to go".... Seriously. Talking to a teen about money and stuff is one thing.. making it clear how much is coming in, what is going out, and what you can afford is fine.. but something is WAY not right about how she said that. First of all, it appeared before this that BM was trying in some ways to make their family separate from SO for the girls... that she was their family and SO was a visitor, basically.. which is consistant with this text. She has in some ways been very helpful with SD11 and encouraging with her seeing her father and I and is supportive of that relationship, but some things she has done lead me to believe she is trying to pull a fast one. I told SO I think he should do damage control with SD15 and SD13 since their mother has already opened the gate on this discussion. They need to know exactly what is going on with finances and that he and I are not living high on the hog while their poor mommy gets nothing. We are broke too but we have a budget so we can afford to do fun things with them when we do have them (SD15 and SD13 refuse to come, though... so we just take SD11 as of now).

So, how would you approach this with SD15 if you were SO? He is a little lost here LOL. I don't know what to tell him b/c my kids understand money basics and I don't tell them specifics yet b/c they are too little. I think SD15 needs to know the truth since she seems to think we are rolling in the money and are "paying them"... this is the same child that asked to get a blackberry added to my phone plan with a data package and that thinks she is entitled to $3k for a car the moment she turns 16 just because (her mom contributed to that.. she tried to get SO to say he would pay 3K for SD15's car, BM would pay 3K for SD13's, and then they would split SD11's when she was old enough... but SO says not coming for visitation with daddy equals no money from daddy for a car)... She threw a FIT over us saying no to paying $50 a month for her to have a better phone than her dad when she already has a better phone than him through her mom's cell service.

DeeDeeTX's picture

I dunno, I don't think she is too young to be exposed if you talk about facts. Facts are just that, facts.

I don't know why people are so hesitant to discuss the facts of money with their kids, as if the are talking about child prostitution trafficking.

VetStepMommaBear's picture

That's what I'm saying. We WANT to talk to her about it now... espcially since it was presented inappropriately by her mother... we have some damage control to do and teaching.

VetStepMommaBear's picture

That's the way it was for me and with my kiddos. I was taught as a teen to budget, how to handle my own money, etc... I NEVER knew and still to this day at 29 have no clue what dad paid in CS or alimony to my mother. It was not and is not my business. I would much rather approach things as a money management issue, but now with SD15 and the way things are being handled I'm wondering if it would be better to just show her the numbers. What we have coming in, what we have going out, what we give her for CS and alimony, etc... At least BM DID tell SD that SO IS paying the way he should be but... dang.. she thinks we are made of money or something. HA.

Jsmom's picture

I have no problem with this since BM opened the door. When we started telling BS the truth about somethings, he wised up really quick to his BM. We don't have CS, but the vistation issues with SD he was not understanding and blaming DH when it was BM. I think they are old enough to understand. You don't have to do details, but you can be vague...Why should BM continue to be protected and sacrifice the relationship with the father...PAS'ing.

my.kids.mom's picture

If you let the "other" parent do the educating, you end up with something like this: "It isn't fair that Daddy has to pay you to see us, when you get to see us all the time." YEAH.

Discuss age appropriate details. At 15, she can handle exact figures, since she is 3 years away from being an adult. The ex already knows your income, since cs is based of real figures. So it's not like you are hiding anything. A 15 year old can handle a reality check. And it sounds like she needs one.

hismineandours's picture

I dont know-I dont find it helpful for kids to know these details. My ss has always known the exact amount of child support dh paid and how often, what days the checks came. He is 13 and we've not technically paid a child support payment for several years-so he was fairly young when bm was discussing this with him. Now, dh is disabled and ss lives with mil. Mil gets a portion of the disability payment to take care of ss. Again, he knows exactly how much it is and when it comes. It's bizarre to me as all MY children also receive social security-but I dont believe they even know that as we dont discuss it. We take care of them and that's all they need to know.

My issue with ss knowing-is that he knows a dollar amount but does not truly comprehend what it all means. To him, it seems like a lot of cash. Also to him, it is HIS. In fact he told the whole family that this weekend, "I am going to get this 100.00 video game because I get xxx amount of dollars a month". Um,no,ss you dont get any amount of dollars a month. MIL gets money to provide food, clothing, shelter for you. You get nothing. He used to do the same with the cs. To me, it adds to the sense of entitlement these kids have. I get money just because I'm a kid! I'm a kid of divorce so I get a paycheck! Yuck!

I would simply tell her-that you pay her mother to provide for her based on what a judge in a court of law deemed to be fair. That the amount is adequate to provide for all her needs, however, if she WANTS more thaen perhaps she should get a job.

VetStepMommaBear's picture

That would be great if her mom would back us up and not tell her she can't do things b/c the money from daddy didn't come yet, then when it does hands it to SD for those wants and does not pay her own bills. Ugh. Believe me, SD has been told to get a job. I was working from 14 years old and my family was well off. I still had to learn to earn it. We don't have it to give her and really neither does her mother but mommy won't make the baby have to work. "she's only 15! She is already so busy with dance and everything..." Hmmmmm. I rode show horses, played soccer, and went to school AND held a job through HS... I think she can pull it off.

emotionaly beat up's picture

I agree with you kids should know nothing about family finances it is none of their business. However in this case the fact that the 15 year old sent that mouthy text bothers me and I would hate her to go off the rails to teach her no hoper dad a lesson and it may happen. That is why I think dad needs to tell her and tell her once only how it is, and let her know in no uncertain terms that this topic is now off limits.

emotionaly beat up's picture

Doesn't sound like you would be telling her anything she doesn't already know, except maybe the part about all of his paycheck being paid over to BM for a certain period of time and that BM and BD had this arrangement in place for a long time.

I would tell her everything because if you don't she will become more and more angry and resentful, and at this age, chances she could do that without provocation, now she has this idea in her head and a smart mouth to go with it, she could go right off the rails to punish dad.

Chances are she won't believe anything you say, but I would say it anyway I think it needs to be said. Also, I would make sure she knows that it is a one off discussion, your finances are just that YOUR finances and as such are NONE OF HER BUSINESS. The damage is done, mum is an idiot, but I do believe you can only tell her your version of the story and hope for the best.

MOST IMPORTANTLY - DAD NEEDS TO DO THIS NOT YOU. 15 year old is mad right now, you open your mouth to say one word and she will get a whole heap madder, you don't want or need that. Just make sure dad knows exactly what he needs to say and he makes it clear to her this is a one off discussion, the finances in your home are as I said NONE OF HER BUSINESS, as long as he pays his CS and she is provided for, then nothing you do with your money after that has anything to do with SD or BM.

NCMilGal's picture

We started telling SD16 about CS when she started the "Oh, poor Mom! She has no money for ANYTHING!" schtick around age 13.

This last visit, I Googled her stepfather and showed her how much money he is making. (Big fish in a small pond - paid by the city, and their small town paper reports on it) This led into a discussion about how much it costs for housing, utilities, car payments, etc. We also defended BM initially when SD16 found out the amount DH was paying - while $600-ish/month is a healthy chunk of change, all of those necessary expenses add up quick.

SD16 is now calling BM out on "Go ask your dad to pay for X". The latest is Driver's Ed. We told BM that Driver's Ed was the responsibility of the domiciliary parent and since she wouldn't entertain a short-term change in custody, we wouldn't be paying for it. Now BM is crying poor-mouth, and no wonder - they have a $275k house, a 2012 Dodge Durango, SD16's younger brother is going to a pricy private school - and SF makes $80k/year. BM has been unemployed for 18 months in a town with a 4.8% unemployment rate. SD16 knows that BM could be doing more to contribute to the household - and refuses to treat DH like a wallet.

But she's always been a smart and big-hearted girl, and we've never had entitlement issues with her.