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overwhelmed with feelings that maybe I shouldn't have about gifts

14 is a lot's picture

Please help.  Am I asking for too much?

10+ yrs ago I met my new husband.  Not only do I feel the most fortunate person to be with him, but his family accepted me with excitement.  At marriage I received (2) SS, (1) SD, (1) Snephew that we consider our son, (1) SDIL and (1) SSIL now divorced from SD, and (8) grandchildren ---it never even crossed my mind to call them step-grands.  Today, I have (8) adult SK and (13) GKs on my husband's side.  So yes, most of them know me as Oma for their whole life.  I love them and they love me!!

I could write a whole book with our history and everything that bothers me, however, I thought I'd start with the most recent occurance.  SD34 has 4 kids, 2 with this H, 1 with previous H and 1 SD11.  Without any doubt to anyone and everyone, she is the ringleader!  What this SD wants, for reasons unknown, this SD gets.  Not only from my H but from the other (7) adults.  We have had tensions and make-up conversations but on the surface it's "love you".  "Love you too".

I now have a biological GD 16mos.  In tradition, my H, D, SIL, GD, S, STBDIL, and D celebrated on Christmas Eve.  What a blast with our GD.  H was having a great time and receiving lots of super thoughtful gifts.  Gifts were galore bc everyone brought them for siblings and parents.  This is the time that we have always given gifts to D30, SIL31, S27, STBDL and D24 as well.  We are empty nesters.

Besides that night, this last Christmas time blew up with nothing but fights bt my H and me.  We fought, made up.  Last night my SDIL tells me that everyone feels as if "they are receiving the leftovers".  What?!?  13 kids that I have always given ~$25 gifts.  They were accusing me of not treating all the kids the same.  Now hold on just a minute.  I agree.  Not everyone is treated the same, but I am not the culprit of that.  The first couple of years were a different story, but for many years now I have remained flexible.  Planning way ahead, I send a group text asking for a good date to have the family over for two hams and the full spread.  This is bc THEY won't come for the actual holiday.  I was always gracious enough to give their mother the day.  I would liked to have one and done w/ both families.  Am I not the one receiving "the leftovers"?  I give them like 8 dates as choices. I know as a fact that some of the gks have 10+ GPs and a couple sets of SP.  When they get to our home, it's potentially their 5th house with gifts.  Our YGD has 2 parents and 4 GP. "We are certain that your new GD got more than ours".  "You have to treat them equally".  First off, you weren't there.  Come on.  Probs she received a little more in toys but NOT in front of any kids or adults other than her GPs and uncles and aunts.  Everyone showered her with toys that night, not all coming from this GP.  What business is it of theirs?  I assume that they do that at their mother's house on Christmas day.  Furthermore, should I be punished for spoiling my first GK?  What in the heck did they do when they had only 1?  It's like they were trying to put me in check.  It's not my fault that we are blessed with babies coming out of our ears. Aren't I loyal to all of theirs?  Yes I am.  They all received gifts.  They all received food in abundance.  They played and ran about our house with their cousins for hours and hours.

I'm feeling that the SKs are acting ungrateful [nothing new] and greedy.  Like so many have posted here, I never get a TY.  I just get an expectation that they deserve more.  My H did nothing bf I came along except come to a family holiday usually hosted by his sister. IMO, I created these great family experiences and now they are upset that our youngest might have too much.  Am I so bad?

 

 

JRI's picture

I'm a step-grandma, too, so I'm familiar with the beady-eyed assessment of my holiday gifts and efforts.  Like you, I used to turn myself inside out trying to provide a nice holiday for our 5 kids and 9 gkids.  I did the alternate celebration dates, the flexible buffet, the rigorously equal value gifts for all, the cooky baking sessions, Santa, etc.  

In a step family, there is just always going to be that concern that you might be doing more for your kids and gkids than for his.  You sound like a kind and generous person.  Just keep doing what you're doing.  You'll probably have to soft pedal the grandchild's attention somewhat.

If it's any consolation, my DH and I used to argue more at Christmastime, too.  It's just the stress and tension.  After awhile, I realized it's hard on him, too.

Nowadays since I'm 80, I've abdicated the Christmas hostess role.  Sometimes, one of the kids host it but not so much since covid.  It's a relief and we prefer to have the time to ourselves.  My son and family come for awhile and I go to my daughter's for awhile. OSS also came by.   I give $ now, rigorously the same for all.

I don't miss it or them, and I'm not saying that hatefully.   It was interesting that 2 stepGDs individually hinted that I do the cookie baking sessions with their kids.  Sorry, the bakery is closed.  Let SD63 do the planning, buy the supplies and clean up the mess for her own GKs.

 

Winterglow's picture

I'm not known for my subtlety nor tact but ...

"Firstly, it's none of your business, secondly, you are coming across as greedy and ungrateful,  thirdly, bugger off!"

AgedOut's picture

"I'm sorry you're looking at Christmas that way but I can assure you that while it might appear we do less or more for any of the grands, in reality we spend the same amount on each. I'll admit that I am bothered that you seem to be focusing on this instead of joining us in family holiday spirit." 

ESMOD's picture

I'm sorry they are acting so ungrateful.

"Oh.. SD.. I'm so dissappointed you feel that way.  I have always made every effort to include everyone and to make sure everyone is given something thoughtful and I hate that my efforts have been judged as lacking.. Maybe you are right in that I should step back and just focus on my own biological kids and SKids.. I'm sure your dad will step up and do the same for you and yours."

ESMOD's picture

My Inlaws actually started "pulling back" on what they did years ago... They used to give everyone money (including daughter inlaws).. but shortly after I married my DH.. they decided to only gift to the grandkids.. 

I mean.. yes.. the holidays are really for the "kids"... and to be honest.. I actually recently pulled back myself from gifting to them (over a decade after they cut off..lol).  

I mean, I get thier perspactive.. but I married their son.. have no bio kids of my own.. yet have been personally been buying THEM presents for the past 20 plus years.. why should I continue that when they honestly don't reciprocate.. I mean.. we get a card.. that's it.  They still give to my DH's kids.. and to the great grandkids too.. but even to my BIL's stepgrandkids.

IMHO.. I think they should be spending on their bio sons (my dH and his brother).. before spending on families of their son's late wife's children.. who he didn't even marry until the wife's children were adults.. so it wasn't like they were part of the "family" until recently.

But, you know.. it's their money.. to spend as they wish.  My MIL can and has been a bit difficult.. so I pretty much avoid spending much time with her.. and it has nothing to do with the presents really.. though I can't help but think just a little that it was convenient that they decided to make the change just a couple years into my being in the family.. but whatever.. I continued to send gifts for almost 2 decades.. but recently have just gotten to the point that I don't make much effort.  They are my DH's parents.. and he can gift them what he wants.. 

Again, it's really not about gifts.. but more feeling like we are "family".. and my MIL is one of those women that is still having a relationship with both her son's Ex'es.. so honestly.. she just is not fully in "my camp".. so don't feel inclined to be to enmeshed with her.

We have solved a lot of issues over the years by being gone for the holidays.. we just go south to sunny FL.. take a cruies etc.. lol.

14 is a lot's picture

Unfortunately, I found this site too late and wish I would have tried disengaging. I am involved in a regretful group text then spars of texts with SD Ringleader even though she's not the one that confronted me of how they feel about this holiday.  You see, the year bf my GD was only 2 mos old.  The 13 others had all the attention.  Still, SD Ringleader's #1 I'm sure received all the focus and many, many advantages over SGKs #1-#5 which are from OSS.  I'm positive there was extreme favoritism and is to this day.  Those are her angels, not the first 5.

SD line to me was "we think you have just your kids over on Christmas Eve so that you can give them many gifts and cocktails are flowing".  10 yrs ago my H was informed that this date was my tradition.  My kids don't have a dad, so -0- competition.  His family's side had a tradition the same date at his sister's house.  The first couple of years my H would go then hurry home to our fun time and to what I cooked.  He would see his kids and their cousins and did his part.  He would give them $5 scratchers.  A couple of years into our relationship SD had baby and she didn't like the smoking so made excuses to not go.  A couple years later everyone realized that they were moving on and growing families.  We continued my tradition and added the alternate date to host his family.  Well, be careful what you ask for lady.  I've now established with you that both family's will celebrate all holidays together so that you can see firsthand the equal treatment.  All are invited this year 4:30 dinner Christmas Eve.  I'm off the hook apparantly to plan around multiple other family's plans that came bf ours.  A lot has evolved with marriages, more SFamilies, more GP and more SP.  Let's see who shows up for my chicken dinner (nothing fancy, just hearty so that we can clean up fast and enjoy each other's company).  I feel evil and showing a side that I didn't have but I think learned from them.  I'm being so passive/aggressive.

Ohhhhh, that date doesn't work for 3/4 of the families???  I'm sorry, you are butthurt that I maintained my tradition and incl your father bc he loves us.  Ohhhh, you want us to sit home alone and not invite my family until the weekend after or maybe even the new year!  Let's see if my H thinks this is fair.

 

ESMOD's picture

SD, I fail to see how this is any different than the other holiday events you might attend with your family where we aren't present.  We celebrate with my family on Christmas Eve as that has been a long standing tradition for us.  We have always worked around celebrating with you and your family when it was convenient to you... and historicaly they haven't lined up to happen at the same time.  Do you want to join us next year for Christmas Eve?  (no.. doesn't work for you?  oh well.. )

"your dad and I have always tried to be generous and inclusive of everyone.. if you don't appreciate our efforts, we are glad to cut you from our annual obligations".  

AgedOut's picture

"SD thank you for explaining your feeling of being left out. I never wanted you to feel that so from now on I will hold only the Christmas eve get together. That way I can share that time w/ all of you at once. I'm looking forward to seeing you all there. I'mI've bvery excited with this new arrangement, thank you for helping me see how I can combine all the family. I'll be looking forward to spending Christmas eve w/ all of you!!"

 

 

then step back so you don't get splattered when her head explodes.

 

ESMOD's picture

edit this to add that "I will be sending you age/sex/sizes and preferences for everyone from our side so you will be prepared with the right gifts for them!"

AgedOut's picture

Then later on suggest a stoppage of adult gifts and a Secret Santa for the adults so they can save a bit of money since they'll all be buying/exchanging more gifts that before...

Elea's picture

My Step-Diablas (28&26) only give gifts to DH. When they were still kids I gave them small but thoughtful gifts but when they never reciprocated even as adults, I stopped. DH handles gifts for the diablas and I handle gifts for my Bio kids.

I expect this to continue when/if there are ever step GK's. I honestly hope to never have step GK's and considering the diablas can't seem to keep a boyfriend, my wish may come true. They are busy traveling and being transcient millenials.

Dollbabies's picture

so many memories to mind. I tried doing joint dinners with his and my kids but they were a drag and I finally stopped. It was my kids primary celebration and his secondary, plus his daughter would never come anyway. We were just very different people. They were into status and bling and wanted to talk about  what they got and what we got. For my family it was always books, books and more books. His kids didn't read.

But one Christmas they found out I gave my granddaughter an American Girl Doll and everything kinda exploded. Was it extravagant? Hell, yeah! But her parents had just separated and she was a sad little mite and I wanted her to have something really special. Plus I had been waiting for a little girl to come along for 27 years and I wanted to indulge myself! I must confess I was a little excessive with the accessories and props... And I did knit them matching sweaters... so, yeah, I spent more on her than my DH did on his grandkids each. But nobody stopped him from spending more. He just didn't. And the kids didn't receive presents when the other kids were there anyway. 

The next year my DH did ask me if I was getting my GD another AG doll and I said yep, I already have it ordered. He got a bit quiet so I asked him if he had a problem with that and he was like"oh, no, I was just wondering." So I pushed and said is this because of SD getting bent out of shape last year? and he said "it did seem to bother her." To which I replied he could buy whatever he wanted for his grandkids but I wasn't going to make decisions on the gifts I gave based on his daughter's reactions, that she could run his life but she sure as hell wasn't going to run mine! I think that started a new round of WW3 if I remember correctly. And I'm pretty sure I went back and ordered some more stuff to go with the doll... 

Ah, those were the days! 

AgedOut's picture

Good on you for holding your ground. He could have bought something similar for his grands, he chose not to. That's a him problem not a you problem. 

ESMOD's picture

I don't see a need to keep things absolutely even steven... there are so many factors that go into things..age of kid/person, closeness of relationship... and personal financial situation at the time.

I know that my YSD pretty much got the shortest end of the stick with everyone in her family.. because she was the last of 5 grandkids for my MIL/FIL.  The younger ones had many trips to disney.. got super flush presents or cash every year.. but by the time my YSD came of the age she could have enjoyed those things.. the grandparents weren't doing that any more... and they were probably in a bit different financial position anyway as they were older.

It's just like oldest kids (if there is a decent age gap).. had the parents when they were young and vibrant "to themselves".. kids who came along later have older parents.. perhaps not able to do as much physical stuff with them... sharing time with older siblings.. but then again.. maybe the parents are better off financially by the time they have the younger (or worse too).. maybe the olders paved way so rules are more relaxed.

There is just no way to make everything precisely equal.. and I don't even try.. honestly.. we did try to keep presents for my DH's kids somewhat equitable.. but now as adults.. it is often different.

And when it comes to STEP parents????   We should get to be totally off the hook.. anything we give is voluntary.. and if you complain.. your "less than" can become "nothing.

 

14 is a lot's picture

Thank you everyone for making me feel sane. 

It sounds like the disengaging works for many.  Believe me, good riddance when it comes to half of the clan of parents. My relationship with the younger sgk is strong and loving. My H would be devastated if I didn't engage with his family. ATM he knows that they are the ones that griped and they are not speaking to me.  We have a lake trip planned that will become complicated if this fight continues. 

This is vicious and he doesn't side with me. Ringleader SD is so full of sh1t. She sd "how would you feel if your D says Mommy why aren't there any pictures of us?" Lie! This SGD is 4. She absolutely has a blast bc i have a ton of Calico Critters etc.  She plays for hours and never wants to leave. Most importantly [a/b the lie], there ARE pics of her family more than the others. SD is using the lil ones to try to get me. 

I feel like saying you are all flat out wrong. They DID get ,=gifts.  My family celebrates Christmas Eve bc YOU have in-laws. There ARE pics on the wall.  We DO more with your side than with mine. We DON'T have bbqs and the other holidays w/o you.  What more do they want???  I don't get how I'm the bad guy here.

I love what you sd ab your not going to run my life.  They are so evil and selfish. How in the world or why in the world would I let them tell me how to treat my GD? I def can fire back.  We are all different!  You have how many sets of GP and SGP. Do you treat them the same? NO.  Unless they stopped doing GP Day at school, not once were we invited. Unless they stopped having Art Class, not once did we receive anything. What it would mean to me to receive a painted pot or an ornament. Further more, the oldest 5 don't come to bbqs and such.  If they don't make the effort, why should I send home $ or gift cards?  What age is good to stop too?  The younger ones do miss out if they don't have as many years of receiving. 

I am soooo frustrated bc what they are putting me through right now does not make sense whatsoever. 

Winterglow's picture

Have you considered a steely-eyed stare-down and "Why are you so determined to cause trouble/to shit stir? Exactly WHAT is in it for you?"

14 is a lot's picture

I forgot to mention. My side has an annual lake trip tradition my whole life, 58.  When their dad and I married, we took Ringleaders 2 kids on a new lake trip with different time of the summer and different resort.  Then we took 3 the following year. Fast forward and last year we made the parents come bc truck couldn't tow a boat and seat all. #4 child started noticing and wanted to come too. I invited them to my side's trip, but after a few yrs of not even a response, I quit asking.  I introduced this to them.  They never did anything like it before. Why are you so bent out of shape that I am supposedly not treating everyone equally.  Everything they are upset about is just not true. Again, I don't get it.  Maybe being inconsiderate and ungrateful!

ESMOD's picture

You say your DH doesn't side with you?  So, does he agree that you are somehow overly favoring your "side"? or does he just want his dd happy at any cost.

I might go back at him that.. if this is going to be such a bone of contention.. maybe we should leave each of us planning and doing for our own kids.. that way the other can't be blamed for coming up short.  Because I have really tried to be all inclusive with everyone, but if I'm to be judged and measured at every step, I would rather not participate.

And, you can still engage with his family.. be present.. but you don't have to be the one DOING all the work for no thanks.

And.. at almost 60, you can start claiming it's just "too much" 

14 is a lot's picture

Thank you for the mature and positive advice. 

Really kind of both.  My kids are >14 yrs younger than his.  My SKs have a mom and SD.  My kids were in Jr high and HS when DH moved in.  My son considers him Dad. My daughters love him too. All along SD always said "ah, her family".  My SSs didn't really care about what we were up to.  We lived ab 50 mins apart, so naturally we didn't just stop in. We took my kids on vacations but his side didn't have enough $ as adults and were busy with babies. They had their time when they were young teens. Totally different types of family.  We'd go to college football games and other fun HS and college events. Yes, it sounds like he only engaged with us but we never missed a birth, any showers, parties, or any invites on their side.  The animosity of those years seemed to be under wrap.  This scrutiny and judgement is due to my GD being over 1 yr old at Christmas time having a real blast and them claiming that they didn't receive as much as her. They are assuming bc they weren't even there and I don't post on social media. My DH saw tons of gift exchanges but he forgot that hardly any were from us.  This was siblings and aunts and uncles. 

What upsets me is that these claims of unfairness aren't even true. There's an annual trip on both sides. There was Christmas at our house for both sides. My DH does think it's unfair, but are we supposed to not accept all the things that my now grown kids do for us while they appreciate us.  And yes, he'll act differently in front of my SD always having her back and not mine. She intimidates him and puts all this in his head.

Oh no, he's mid 60s and his SD still expects us to $ pick up every dinner and host parties such as poker games at our home whenever she suggests.  Her mom is older and there's comparison going on.

Harry's picture

You live it the way you want. You don't have to give gifts to everyone in a dysfunctional family. Or make Christmas dinner 8 different times on 8 different days.  Those who come to my dinner honor me. Those who don't come I forget about .  They go where it's more important. So stay there. 
'Take a step back, stop the craziness .  New rules from now on. Gifts only to GK under 6 or 12 or 15 or 18  only. Christmas, or thanksgiving dinner on that day. Who comes.. comes