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Giving up visitation time for sake of child?

Bellaluna's picture

Sad
My husband and I have been dealing with his bitter ex wife for 4 years now. My husband and his ex have a now 10 year old together. We have been married for a year and have a 10 month old together.
His ex wife was FURIOUS when we started dating - so much so that she told their daughter that she wasnt allowed to talk to me, hug me or be around me. My husband did allow that to carry through in his home, which infuriated her more. She started telling her daughter, at the time 7, what a bad person I am and what a bad person DH is. She would come over, being all of 7, and ask "Why did you abandon me and Mommy?" (Let me make it clear that he didnt abandon anyone - she locked him out the house and wouldnt let him back in to get his items and then served him with divorce papers a week later).
Then when our daughter was born, my step daughter would come over and tell us that isnt allowed to love her new sister or talk to her. We would tell her that she can love who ever she wants, etc.
Long story short, for the past 4 years, after every weekend or right before every weekend that we have his daughter, it is always something. In spite of the court order, she keeps their daughter away from him when she is mad at him (and she gets mad at him for stupid things - like him getting engaged, getting married, bringing their daughter to try on flower girl dresses, etc - basically life events for him that she is jealous of).
My DH and I want a happy life together with our daughters (his and ours). He has tried to be civil with her, he has tried to ignore her, he has offered to attend coparenting classes. Needless to say he has tried to be an adult with her. She is clearly incapable of being mature about co parenting and would rather cause pain to their daughter and cause pain to my DH for her own selfish needs. He has tried taking her to court many times and she lies straight to the judges and lawyers face. Upon meeting a woman who works in the office at their daughters school (she is a friend of my mothers), she said in a joking manner to my DH "Oh, you are the dead beat Dad that we hear so much about?"
My question is this: my DH has been seeing his daughter less and less for the past few months. Not because he doesnt want to see her and not because I dont want her there. Our daughter LOVES to see her big sister. It is because everytime their daughter goes back home, her mother drills her and makes her cry about something. Their daughter then calls her grandmother (my DH's mother) about all the 'bad things' that happened at our home (nothing bad happened at our home and all the things she tells her grandmother arent true - her mother is clearly feeding this information into her daughters head, making her upset about it and making her call her grandmother to get my DH into 'trouble' with his mother). It's all an immature game to get back at my DH. He is tired of her hurting their daughter EVERY time she goes back home. So in theory, if he sees her less, then it is less the amounts of times she can hurt their daughter in spite of him. He would rather be the bad guy who doesnt see his daughter as much if that means that her mother wont pound garbage into her head and make her upset every other weekend. He has spoken to his ex about how she is making up lies and making their daughter repeat those lies to his mother - she denies doing anything wrong. He even got a call from his daughter's school counselor asking about him leaving her at a store by herself (which he never did) but apparently his daughter went into the office crying stating that she was sad becuase her father left her alone in a store... Do you see how messed up this all is???
Is this all the right thing to do - not see his daughter as much - for her own sake???

RedWingsFan's picture

^^^Yes - DH and SD14 went thru this and he decided to give her time and space and when that didn't work, he forced her to come over (that didn't work either, but not all cases are the same obviously).

Anyhow, I agree with Echo and although I'm glad SD14 doesn't visit us anymore, I see the fallout it's had on my DH and I think he's regretting not fighting more for her. They now have it drawn into their new custody order that SD is to undergo massive therapy and when the therapist agrees, visitation with DH will resume.

Kilgore SMom's picture

I agree with Echo. Dh needs to be more active. Parents that do PASing can ruin a childs life. Dh needs to try and counter act as much of that as he can. The old SD gets the more she'll see whats true and whats not. Counseling is a must. The sooner the better.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

I think this is a hard question no one can answer but yourself. Some people believe it's better to spare the child immediate toxicity while they're growing up if necessary, and some people think they have to keep on fighting. I'm of the first group as is my DH, many here are of the second and I have a lot of respect for them for not allowing them to be broken because of BM. Neither DH nor I have the physical or mental health to be able to deal with that for too long of a time.

I do believe your SD is not at that point yet where she is doing things to intentionally hurt either you or DH because of the PAS. She does not actively hate either of you so I believe there is still hope, which is more than I can say for most of the stepchildren referenced on the board, so I would say don't give up, at least not yet.

If at any point you or your DH start to get attacked by your SD and nothing has helped, I would then step back, the next step for your DH, as someone has mentioned before, is to get your SD into counseling and if possible, have a change of custody.

I wish you the best of luck.

stepped-on-sm's picture

well trying to get $$ to prove PAS & when you have 2 BMs backing up each other lies and you have no one in your corner can make it very difficult & stressful
Id love to get custody of SD2 to put a stop to BM2's PAS and have her only contact through therapy
it now seems the kid is swept to the side at home in favor of BMs baby boy (her alleged brother)
personally I think she kept SD out of spite to hurt SO not because she wanted her
I just dont think I could deal with BM2 all the time, its a nightmare when she gets a daily call during SD2s 2 week annual visit - right now we are fighting for 10 weeks in the summer because we cant afford multiple trips all year, our school schedules dont match up & winter driving is dangerous between the states, BM2s response is to counter with contempt of court for SO being $100/m short on his child support (she will drop it if he drops visitation).
He has been unemployed for 3 years and is going back to school, yes he's been applying for jobs like crazy but no one will hire him (small town rumors & other issues).
Ive begged him to drop this fiasco before someone ends up in jail and I cant stand the stress & drama.
Last year I had a high risk pregnancy and the 2 weeks dealing with BM2 were so stressful, she made SD2 bawl every night, yelled at SO & I over the phone & just a bunch of constant BS, I am sure thats why I had my LO at 35 weeks.