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chrisc's picture

hi all, I'm new to the forum, I have 2 boys (16 and 5 yrs) and my live in boyfriend has a 10yr old son. my eldest son lives with my parents so the 2 younger children are with us. we are living together for 6 months now. my son is hyper active and yes he is naughty, bt the 10 yr old(my bfs son) is something else. he believes he is an adult. he gives me parenting advice? wants to discipline my 5 yr old. and he threathens and bullies my son. he also hits my child and makes it look like an accident.

he doesn't seem to acknowledge that im an adult and his that his father an I are in a relationship. we cant have a conversation by ourselves, he has to know everything we talk abt. the children share a room, and he pinches, kicks and punches my child while my son is asleep and I have to run to their room every couple of hours cos my child is crying. also cos he is older he tells my son to do things that I don't like, so I end up scolding my child.
recently it has become so bad that I cannot leave them alone cos I don't know what will happen, I cant sleep at night either. he even tells my son to hit him then go tells my bf my son hitting him.

he said he neva had a mothers love so he competes with my 5yr old, wenever my son kisses and hugs me he wants to do the same, he always wants to be in between us, bt my son cant be close to my bf then he starts crying and throwing a tantrum, my bf shares custody with his ex, so he does see his mother evry day. its like he has to be the centre of every ones world.

please help me, I have moved out cos I cannot put my child in danger. am I going crazy?

Rags's picture

Nope, not crazy at all. Bullies are a tough topic to deal with. I used to get bullied a bit when I was a kid. It went on until I started hurting the bullies more than they hurt me. When I realized that getting hit hurts whether you are hitting back or not is when I began to get the bully issue under control. I made sure that the bullies understood that their choice to bully me would cause them far more pain than just leaving me alone.

My anti-bullying career came to its pinnacle when I was about 14. A kid that had intermittently bullied me since about 5th grade made the mistake of trying it again. After lunch one day at school I went out to the court yard where everyone hung out. I was standing there minding my own business when someone jumped on my back and knocked me to my knees. It tore holes in my brand new Levi very cool elephant bell jeans. (Tells you about how old I am) and bloodied my knees. As I stood up someone else did the same thing again. As I stood up the second time I spun and cold cocked the 2nd guy right in the middle of his lower lip and chin splitting his lower lip completely in two so that he had two flaps of bloody meat hanging down from his mouth. I then turned to the first guy who very intelligently held up his hands and said that he was sorry and would not mess with me again. The bisected lip guy needed cosmetic reconstructive surgery to fix his face and replace a couple of his teeth. The Principal of the Jr. High called me to his office. I sat at his desk while he reviewed my file. He asked who the hell I was. I had been in his school for 7th and then most of 8th grade and had never been in any trouble, made decent grades and was basically a non presence. I explained what had happened. He covered a grin, gave me the lecture about not fighting then told me that he would have done the same thing. He then sent me back to class with no additional consequences. The two bullies were suspended and spent a few weeks in detention. This could have been a big deal since the big sister of the kid I mangled was a year older and a cheerleader. She and I spoke of the incident a couple of weeks later. She laughed when I apologized for maiming her younger brother and told me he deserved it. Apparently their dad lit in to him pretty well over the incident particularly over the medical costs to reconstruct his lip and teeth. Interestingly the side effect was that I went from being a nonentity at the school to being very quickly pulled in to the in crowd. I never liked fighting and never bullied anyone else but standing up to bullies is what kicked off my Jr. High and HS social climb.

My SS had an issue with a bully when he was 5yo and in Kindergarten. A boy that was about 4 years older who lived down the street would sit behind my son on the school bus and would choke my Skid. One day I noticed bruises on my son's neck and after a long talk got him to tell me what was happening. The bully was a small kid who was trying to get in with the kids his age and decided that my much younger kid was a good target to show off to his peers by bullying. Bad idea. I instructed my skid that the next time the bully choked him to reach back grab one of the kid's ears and tear it off of his head. So the next day I get a call from the school to come get my Skid. He had partially torn off a kid’s ear on the bus ride in the AM. So I picked the kid up from school and took him out for ice cream to celebrate his standing up for himself. The school did not appreciate my celebrating the partial removal of a kid's ear.

That evening we got a knock on the door and the bully's dad is standing there trying to hand me the hospital bill. I called my son to the door and asked the father to explain why my 5yo son had choke marks on his neck from his 9yo son? My kid told the story, the dad got confirmation from his ear bandaged kid and that was the end of that. Needless to say I did not pay the hospital bill and the funny part was his bully kid literally got his butt kicked for most of the walk back up the street to his house. His dad was not happy that the 9yo was choking a 5yo.

My son never fought much. After that incident we enrolled him in martial arts. He was tested by bullies several times over the next several years and would only keep them from hitting and hurting him. The schools gave him a couple of awards for not fighting back. That used to chap my ass. We were trying to teach the kid to be assertive and to stand up for himself and the school is rewarding him for being a pussy. Oh well. It worked out though so after all he learned how to defend himself, set an example of what would happen to bullies that messed with him and did not turn in to a bully himself. Interestingly my SS is now 21 and the only physical confrontation he has had since elementary school was earlier this year when he visited his Sperm Clan for the first time in a couple of years. He went because one of his younger Sperm Idiot spawned half brothers got arrested for carrying a concealed hand gun. The kid is ~15. SS decided he needed to go straighten the kid out and took some leave for a visit. The Sperm Idiot got lippy with my kid when SS confronted him about the crappy example he is setting and made the mistake of shoving my son. Bad idea. Apparently Dick Head ended up with a hand around his throat, the back of his head slammed and held firmly in to a wall, his feet several inches off of the ground as my son explained to his Sperm Idiot that he had better not let the younger kids get out of hand again and force my son to come for another visit and he had better never lay a hand on my son again.

I was so proud. Dirol Wink

So rather than abandon your home and relationship, have your 5yo partially detach the bully’s ear the next time SS-10 bullies him. I would say to go with the bisected lip method but it is harder and more expensive to fix. That should take care of the issue for good. In my opinion and experience the only way to deal with a bully quickly and effectively is to demonstrate how painful it will be for them to mess with you.

I know, not the approved anti-bullying mantra of today but it works. Funny how bullying has always been around but was never a huge problem before the don't fight back folks got hired by school districts around the country. Now bullying is some big tragedy that kids are completely unprepared to deal with on their own. Kids need to learn that the way to fix bullying is to show them assertively that it is far less painful for them to not pick on you.

IMHO of course.

amber3902's picture

I disagree with the whole "rip an ear" off method.
While Rags was lucky that he didn't get sued, you don't know how someone will react to your kid ripping off their kid's ear.

While in Rag's situation the parent only asked for reimbursement of a medical bill, you don't know what some idiot with a riffle will do if their precious little one is hurt, even if they are in the wrong.

Anyway, back to the OP - your DH needs to address this with his son. It sounds like it more than just bullying, SS also sounds jealous of the attention you give your son. If he hits your son he needs to be punished. But you also need to figure out WHY this behavior is happening in the first place.

Rags's picture

The ear only was torn away from the underlying tissue slightly at the back. So there was no major damage. Only a few stitches. Not to counter your comment. Only to give some additional clarity.

I agree with what you recommend though kids do need to figure out bullying on their own to give them those skills for the rest of their lives.
Bullies do not like to be confronted and when they are they usually wilt. They may go underground with their bullying when they are confronted but they lose bully cred when you confront them.

Bullies occur in the professional world too so learning to deal with them is a valuable life skill.

My recommendation was figurative not literal. SS needs for BS5 to pop him in the nose every time so he stays clear that there are consequences for his bullying. No need to rip off his ears.

IMHO of course.

Tuff Noogies's picture

why am i reminded of the bully scene from christmas story?

sometime's a kid just has to stand up for himself, especially with boys. we've got 3, and the rule is to give a few warnings to quit loud enough for an adult to hear. then if the other kid keeps on, punch him. the reason behind this is the bully shoulda stopped when told to knock it off, and the adult shoulda stopped it when it was heard. no kid needs to put up with being bullied.

amber3902's picture

Thanks for the clarification, Rags, I just wanted to offer a word of caution. While everything worked out okay for you, I don't think telling the BS5 to hit back is the answer in this situation.

There is a BIG physical difference between a five year old and a ten year old. I'd hate for the OP's kid to hit back, only for SS to just pummel him into the ground and REALLY hurt him.

Yeah, bullies wilt, but sometimes they don't. I've stood up to bullies before, and it didn't turn out as well as your story did. My social reputation at school didn't sky rocket and I still got bullied.

TASHA1983's picture

I agree with you dtzy. I am not an advocate for fighting persay BUT if my son is getting picked on and nobody is doing anything about it, (the school) you bet your ass I will give my BS10 my blessing to defend himself and do what he's gotta do!

asnoraford's picture

This is a really hard situation. Not only have I seen my fair share of bullies, but my own step and bio children fought like cat and dogs for about 3 years. It was not always pretty. And it was never one thing that would work. I can tell you that when you jump in to solve the problem for the kids, it usually gets worse for the one being bullied. It ends up adding fuel to the fire and proving the little one to be more of a victim, which somehow makes the older one want to keep bullying him. Stupid logic, but hey, it's what happens.

There is something happening, perhaps that he's being set up to be a dominant person in the house without being stopped. He is doing the same thing to your son that he is doing to you. Exerting his "power". What is his father doing? How is he handling the fact that this kid feels the need to hurt others and put them down in order to feel that he has some sense of control in this world. He needs some serious guidance and possibly counseling.

In the end, the mantra for us became, "I'm sure that you two can find a solution that makes the both of you happy," and then we walked away with instructions not to come get us unless they needed a doctor or lawyer. That being said, my daughter Diablo has learned to be a lot more aggressive with her sb who's a preteen. He knows that she is no longer going to play the victim and be a push over.

While ripping an ear off might not be my exact advice, you will have to help your child deal with this without needing you to intervene all the time because that is only setting him up for the worst.

doll faced sm's picture

Your sons's safety is your first obligation. Hard as it may be, you need to move out of your current living situation (or have your BF and his son move out) if the physical safety of your son cannot otherwise be secured.

amber3902's picture

Reading your OP again, it sounds like your boyfriend has treated his son like a spouse. I dated a man whose son was pretty much like this. His son tried to correct my daughter, who was only a couple of years younger than him, he also would interject into our adult conversations and talked to me if he was on my level. I also experienced the frustration of not being able to have a conversation any where around him, because he'd always try to interject his two cents.

Your BF's son is ten years old and I'm assuming an only child. Basically, this kid has been allowed to be the center of attention and treated like a mini adult for his entire life. If the adults around him treat him like an adult it's only going reinforce for him what he thinks his role is.

Your BF needs to stop treating his son like a mini adult. And when SS hits your son, BF needs to punish him, but it doesn't sound like that's happening. The problem is with your BF, not the SS.

chrisc's picture

thanks for the input, cos I feel like im being evil now by bringing this to my bfs attention, we constantly tell his son he is nt to bully my little one bt it continues. cos amber3902 is correct he is treated like the universe revolves around him. my little one is afraid to sleep now.

amber3902's picture

So you constantly tell SS not to bully. To quote a famous talk show host - How's that working out for ya?

Obviously ya'll need to do more than just "talk" to SS. I don't think you should tell BS5 to hit SS back, but I DO think SOMEONE needs to give SS a taste of his own medicine, and by "someone" I mean BF.

If BF is unwilling to discipline his son, then you need to rethink this relationship.

Seriously, your son is afraid to sleep at night? Why are you allowing your son to be tortured like this? Would you let a kid at school do the things SS is doing to your son?

jennaspace's picture

Boy, I have a son that age. I would go mama bear if someone hit him. I would seriously consider hidden cameras so you can be more informed of what exactly is going on here. I've never gotten them but they are not very expensive.

Disneyfan's picture

Since you've moved out, keeping SS away from your son should
be easy now. Continue to date BF if you want but bow out of any blended activities.

chrisc's picture

reading all the comments helps me feel human again. the bf and I still see each other bt I cringe wen I see his son. I can get past feeling that he is out to hurt my child. I cant stand being around him or him near my son. I am actually avoiding seeing my bf because I get irritated with him as well, but I cant stand his son, he told his son to apologise to me for his behavior and promise that it wont happen again, bt I wasn't having any of that, because he has apologized many times before and nothing has changed. he is an excellent manipulator.

I asked the ss10 what his issue with my son was, I said we need to address the problem because this is making evry1 unhappy. he said he wanted more time with his father and that he doesn't get to do the things they used to do before I moved in. but since I have left the flat he has been nagging his father to let him go stay overnight with his friends, now he doesn't want to be spending time with his father, its only an issue when we are there. bf wants us to come back home, saying he sorted the issue out with his son. his son has accepted that we are part of his life. im still very uncomfortable.

chrisc's picture

please help with this, it seems to be going around in circles. step son hasnt accepted the relationship and its going on almost a year we living together. now he has to sleep with his father when he is around, his father cant even kiss me goodnight, he threw atantrum because his father has a pic of himself an me on his facebook profile, we cant have a conversation without him butting in.................we live different lives whenever the son is around. and when he is around, i keep my little one on a leash because he always complaining and nagging about what my 5yr old is doing. so sick of it all.

i asked my boyfriend how is it possible that this tyrant 10 yr old can control our lives, even wen we having an argument he wants to get invloved, he always listening in on evrything.

how do i get this monster child to give us some space and respect our relationship. he has even been badmouthing me to the family, all of which are not true, thnkfully his father sees this because he used to say horrible things about his biological mom too, like she abusing him and he never got a mothers love from her.

please give some advice.

PolyMom's picture

If you can afford it, it sounds like this child may need a therapist. If BF can't get to the bottom of this, and you're at the point of isolating the kids, this child needs some major attitude re-haul, and the way to do it is get to the root of what's bothering him. By sleeping with his father, he's been allowed to control the situation without any kind of consequence. He's accomplished just what he wants...separating the two families so he has dad all to himself. Don't take that to mean he necessarily wants you to split up either...because that would be another failed parental relationship in his life, and even if he thinks it will be great, it would really bother him.

Ultimately, good on keeping the boys separate. Now BF has to get his SS to admit he "hates" the two of you, and more importantly, he has to figure out why. It's the "why" that's the root of the problem, and it could be as simple as he wants his dad to take him on dates just the two of them once in a while. You never know. Also, it's very important that at this point you NEVER argue with BF in front of this child. You are the villain here, dad is the good guy, no matter what, so you better believe he will take dad's side, and use any type of voice raising against you. He needs to see the two of you as a strong front, one that he cannot penetrate. He already has by making you sleep separately, so, my advice there is to implement a major consequence on that one.

1) Keep your 5 year old away from him
2) BF has the task of finding out "why" child is acting this way
3) BF needs to set up clear boundaries with SS. Bedtime, do not interrupt adults etc.
4) BF has to implement consequence for all of SS's poor actions. If he's not going to take part in protecting your family, you need to leave.

chrisc's picture

thank you, but this child has been recieving therapy because his mother "doesnt love him" - but from what i see from his mom, she is like any other single mom, (just like me) trying to gve her child the best, dealing with the stresses of life an raising a child, i am in her shoes so i know, we as women get irritable and short tempered, but because i had a bad day at work and am not in the mood to play superheroes with my 5 yr old, doesnt mean i dont love him....this child of my bf thinks he needs to be the centre of every1s universe, his parents cant say no to them cos that means they dont love him............so he ha been recieving therapy for the "terrible' things his mom subjects him to for example, telling him he cant go play at a friends house, or its late and they cannot go out for supper etc etc..............

today the bf picks him up because its his turn to have him, and im already planning my escape.........lol