How Do I Survive the Chaos?
Thank you for the opportunity to be a part of your community. I have been reading, for a couple of weeks, the challenges and in some cases horrors you are facing in your personal lives. You are all so brave. I encourage everyone to fight for the happiness that you deserve in life!
I am 35. I have never been married and have no children other than my dogs. Although I have dated, I chose to focus on my education and career, which I do not regret for a single moment. I met a man 3 years ago at my job, asked him to have a drink and we have been together ever since. Dating was challenging. He lived a couple of states away, but frequently traveled to the city in which I lived for business. When he wasn't working in my city, he would drive 10 hours (roundtrip) to see me to take me out to dinner and spend time with me, take the pups and I on hikes, send me beautiful flowers and thoughtful presents, and he has taken me on vacations most people only dream about. Needless to say he is very romantic, but what attracts me to him is his gentle heart, kind nature and desire to put me first. Honestly, I have a track record of choosing the @ssh. He is the first nice guy I have dated and I love and care for him deeply.
He has 4 children from a previous marriage. The eldest is not his biological child. However, he adopted and raised the boy as his own from a very young age. This son is 24 and currently living out of the US. He has one son is now a freshman in college, one who will be a freshman in high school, and a son who is 8 and has been diagnosed with autism. I have not met his children. There were opportunities, but I think he and I both shied away from them. I am not so sure that either of us know how to approach introductions. Quite frankly, I have been extremely nervous about meeting the children. I fully accept that he has children and I want him to 100% be actively involved and as close as possible to his children He loves them dearly and has been an amazing dad to them. I know that they love him as well and are hurting bc of the circumstances of the divorce. He and his ex wife lived within 20 minutes of one another and the children were homeschooled. He was fortunate that some of his contracts allow him to work 80% from home, and the boys would spend more than half of the year living with him. Unfortunately, we failed to act soon enough with regards to me meeting his children. Although we were 5 or so hours away, we were on the same coast. A few months ago, his ex wife moved herself and the boys across the country...geographically as far away as they could possibly be.
In Feb of this year, we accepted a 1-3 year job contract which would put myself and him further away from one another (10 hours, 1 way). We decided together that we would not be happy with the distance and decided to move in together. We rented a nice house in a great neighborhood and made sure that we had ample room for visitors, and his children each have their own rooms. We were planning to fly across the country for me to meet the children in a casual setting during a long weekend.
When his ex wife found out that he was seriously dating and that we had moved in together, she seemed surprisingly interested yet calm. She asked him questions about the house, the size, if the children would have their own rooms and even a few questions about me. He naively gave her personal information about me (my last name, when I grew up, that I owned a house etc) not thinking that she would use that information maliciously. From his recount of the conversation, everything went over decently enough until she asked about my religious affiliation, and upon learning that I am not religious, she pretty much became unhinged and started screaming at him over the phone. The next day, she contacted him to report that she has done background checks on me and did not like what she found and that I was a horrible person and that was using him and she would not let him see his children as long as I was in the picture.
So...about me...I went to a private university on a full academic scholarship in a program that prepared future teachers (I was going to be a high school English teacher)...I lived in London for 3 years during that time, have travelled, held steady employment, a prestigious internships in both London and Washington DC. I did not graduate from this university bc during my senior year, my father was diagnosed with severe M.S. along with health complications from years of alcohol abuse and smoking. I am an only child and my mom was unable to afford private care and work the 40+hours a week needed to pay her mortgage and basically live, so I moved back in with her for a little over a year. During that time, I reunited with friends and started working for a small residential building company. After about 18 months,I had the opportunity to start a small real estate investment company and started flipping houses. We did reasonably well, and during that time, my father's heath had improved, so I moved to a larger city to expand the business. Unfortunately, this was the same time that the housing market collapsed, and long story short, my business failed and I lost a good portion of the $ I had earned and saved. With my ego hurt, I took my savings and opened a small retail business which had reasonable success for about 3 years. However, the cost of operating a small business and the time and the pressures eventually got to me and I decided to enter back into the world of the regular workforce and got a management job for a small business in the area. During all of this time, even though my businesses were not successes, I never took out 1 loan or accepted $ from anyone. I still stand behind my decisions and have no shame in my past. I also told my boyfriend everything about my past including my decision to leave college (I paid back my scholarship in full as well, btw) and my businesses. I don't consider myself a failure and have learned a great many lessons from the choices I have made. I enrolled in a local college to finish my degree, but since it was a small, liberal arts college, I was forced to take a bunch of classes that I was not required to take at my previous university, but I went to school part time and worked 40-60 hours a week.
Basically, since my boyfriend has told his ex wife that he loves me and isn't leaving, she has refused to let him see his children. She doesn't want them to meet me, has issues about the morality of our relationship, has said hurtful things about his lack of judgement and called him a horrible father. All of this just tears him up. He tries to protect me from it, but I see and feel his hurt.
His eldest bio son is now attending a university on our side of the country. The Ex did agree to let him take that son to college and the 15 year old could ride along (1 week ago). This was the first time they had seen one another since Jan of 2013. She threatened that if he tried to introduce us during that time that she would never him see his younger children again. They have joint custody...he has bought plane tickets, made invitations and she keeps changing the schedule and signing the 15 year old up for programs to keep him busy. She has even enrolled him in public school so that he can't be with his dad (at minimum) every other month, per their original agreement. She had encouraged the son away at college to visit his friends at Thanksgiving (which also happens to be his father's birthday)...I mean really using the children in horrible ways to hurt their dad.
However, now, she has manifested another facet, and is sending him texts with pictures of her in her wedding dress, the view from her bed, describing the mountains where she lives and saying how he would love her home and her bedroom. She has sent emails telling him that she loves him. I haven't read them...he only told me about this yesterday bc I picked up his phone to broadcast the wi-fi in the house...and I saw the pictures she has been sending him. In his defense, he had not responded to any of them. However, he hadn't told me anything until confronted, asking if he was emotionally reconnecting with her. Needless to say, I was very concerned and upset. He says he is trying to protect me...bc he knew how much her background snooping and attempt at making me look bad to him had hurt me. I don't have any reason not to believe him, he has never given me the slightest reason not to trust him, but somehow, now, suspicions, curiosity and hurt are slowly piling up and negatively affecting me, which in turn impacts our relationship. I am trying to stay busy, be positive, focus on being a good partner,friend and person in general, but those negative thoughts keep creeping in.
Just for your information...she is the one who initiated the divorce (5 years ago)...she was a stay at home mom, he provided 100% for the family, paid half of her college debt ($70k) and she joined the military and left him. This woman is a chaplain in the military...which makes me shake my head on a continual basis.
We have talked about setting boundaries with her. Him blocking her from his cell (which stops the texts and photos), getting a house phone with voicemail specifically for communication with her about co-parenting and for any emergency contact (also both boys have their own cell phones and can reach their dad via email). I also read one member's idea of getting a joint email account so that she knows that their communication isn't private (which I would hope would discourage the heartfelt, I love you, emails). I would love to hear any other advice you may have for me. I don't want to give up on the happiness we have bc of the chaos she is creating. I know this is his to handle, and I don't want to control him, only support him. Neither of us really have a clue what to do. We are going to hire an attorney in her state...I have the sneaking suspicion that he is just setting him up to maybe demand more $ (he pays his child support and takes very good care of his children financially) or attempt to get sole custody of the two younger boys.
I know this is a long post. It is my rant and vent and cry for experienced opinions.
Thank you in advance for your time and any help.
Thank you so much for the
Thank you so much for the advise and support!
We have talked about documenting and contacting her C.O. but we want to have all of our ducks in a row so we can be prepared from a financial and legal standpoint. Their divorce and parental contract was in Ga, but now that she is in Washington State, it seems we have to start all over again. However, I feel as though that is a good thing bc it is much more liberal state and we will have a lot of evidence to support his claims.
I just can't imagine treating any human beings as horribly as these BM's are...much less their own children and in our case, someone she professes to love.
As angry as I am, I feel very sad for them. They will never have happiness in their lives as long as they continue unleashing such negative Karma. I know it will come back to haunt them...
You are certainly right about
You are certainly right about me being on the defensive. Thank you for pointing that out. I tell my friend never to apologize for who you are or where you came from. I need to take my own advise.
I will say that the anger she has ignited me with has helped me achieve amazing physical results at CrossFit...I imagine I am lifting her for a body slam every time I perform a clean and jerk....and I am working my way up to her bodyweight, lol. Sorry, I digress....evil thoughts.... }:)
Thank you for the terms and suggestions. How much should he and I be researching / talking about this together? I want to think tha a united front is stronger than letting him take on the constant barrage alone.
The 24 year old is her biological child from her 1st marriage. My bf adopted him and went through hell as members here have described as a stepfather. He was kicked out of the military, cannot hold a job, got his gf preggers and is now in Germany mooching off of her parents. We have decided that we have a 0 tolerance policy for any future assistance toward him (unless he has done a complete 180, which will not have happened).
The son who is a freshman in college...he is 17. He is the one she is trying to manipulate to see his friends over Thanksgiving. The way I worded the post was confusing.
My curiosity has me wanting to have access to all of her emails and communication...I should NOT do this, right? I am trying to convince myself that it benefit me to know what she is saying so I can at least mentally prepare for the bs that I know is just down the road? Maybe I am just a glutton for punishment.
She does not have my cell number (that I know of), only his. But I do want him to block her and give her a separate number for emergency contact only.
My DH's ex girlfriend did all
My DH's ex girlfriend did all that to him. To this day, when she has a fight with her new bf she starts sending texts saying things like, "after everything I did for you, we still have a bond you can't ever break. "
At some point she even started texting me lies about how my DH was with her having sex and what not... that he's just using me....
I am now learning that reading leads to responses (you can only take so much before you wanna get her back), and that the only way for our marriage to be healthy is by taking her for who she is:the eex . she's the past and you can't dwell in the past. Make her invisible and she has no power. Your SO can respond to her ONLY when it's EXCLUSIVELY about the kids. And "I've always thought you were a great dad" is not about the kids it's about her thoughts.
If he does this and you keep on trusting him, you got it made!
Is is horrible that I am
Is is horrible that I am already having grass is always greener syndrome? In three years he has not made the effort to make me known to the people who are most important in his life? His good intentions are for his children, his care not to ignite the fury of his ex wife...I feel as though I am separate and a secret....and today I want to go back to my sometimes lonely, but less complicated life...why do I feel so guilty?
Like you mean his kids? What
Like you mean his kids? What about his parents, have they met you? If it's just his kids, maybe he is afraid they might be rude to you and that then you might resent him for it. His kids are teenagers and they have a psycho mom... chances are you're probably better off not having them around. Make your own life and family with him, forget about bm and forget about his kids. Think of them like distant cousins... or if you rly can't do that, then find a guy with no kids... so much less drama there!
His mom lives in England and
His mom lives in England and his dad, Portugal. They know he is in a relationship but we haven't met. I want that to change. I am actually thinking about contacting them via facebook to introduce myself. He has a strained relationship with both of them bc they went through a nasty divorce...his father left his mom for another woman, his mother guilted him into hating his father and he severed ties with him, and he holds a lot of anger and angst with regards to those issues which he hasn't dealt with. He is also very afraid of becoming his father (children hating him bc he has a new relationship that makes him happy, not seeing them as often as he would like, them being hurt by the way their mother is turing them against him/us, etc).
I keep reading advice for women in my situation to run bc it will just get worse. I suppose that has me rethinking being in this relationship. I think I am focusing on all the bad stuff that may happen in the future rather than enjoying the present. We do have a wonderful time together when we are able to escape the drama. I am obsessing over issues that probably will never be resolved (BM magically seeing how horrible, hypocritical and nasty she is behaving and leaving us alone). She left a voicemail this weekend saying that she can't believe he is using his $ to set up a house with me rather than using his $ on his children...except she doesn't let him see them, says he can't take them on vacations bc she doesn't want him to be considered the fun parent etc...She is trying any way to weasel her way into our lives...creating extreme guilt for him (she knows exactly how to manipulate him)...things he spend a long time working through with his counselor, trying to pull him back in....all to destroy any happiness he/we may have.
I feel as though this is all we have done and talked about since the crap started a few weeks ago. Even if he doesn't tell me what is going on, his demeanor changes and he isn't present in our relationship. I suppose the easy thing to do is walk away, but it isn't the right thing for me to do. Don't get me wrong, I am not the kind of person who wants to save of fix this for him. I want to support him so that he can be the man he really is, but has never been allowed to express due to his unfortunate choice of breeding sow.
"Unfortunate choice of
"Unfortunate choice of breeding sow."<------ I may have steal this for BM's newest name.
Here are a few things I have learned in the past two years...
1.) BM will get crazier and crazier. I've heard of a BM getting easier to deal with, but it is extremely rare. The more control she loses, the crazier she'll get for a while. Once she realizes it isn't working, she may back off a bit, but crazy is always under the surface. It will show itself any time she feels wronged in any way. Are you prepared to deal with this?
2.) You and your SO need to decide the best way to handle things with BM and kids. Revisit the plan often to make sure it is working for you as a couple. If it isn't, rework your plan together. Communication is key here.
3.) How involved do you really want to be in the day to day craziness that is BM? For me, I refuse to communicate with BM. If she needs something, she must text or e-mail DH. She does not have any of my numbers or e-mail addresses. She had my cell and work # at one point, but when I got laid off and lost both #s, we did not give her my new contact info. Why? Because she would call and harass me. She and I have no reason to speak to each other. She must deal with DH.
4.) SO needs to set boundaries with her. BM should only be contacting him regarding the children. That is it. I read that you said he didn't respond when she sent him pics and "I love you." Good! He needs to tell her that it won't be tolerated and any attempts to send inappropriate info will not be acknowledged at all.
5.) Trying to threaten not allowing the children to visit because of you is a control issue. BM tried this with us when we moved in together. She tried to tell DH the kids couldn't be around me or my son until we were married. When he laughed at her, she tried to bring it up in court. The judge laughed, too, and told her she could not keep the kids away from him. She might try it, but a judge will slap her down.
6.) Get a GOOD lawyer. We have realized that our attorney sucks, and after this newest court battle, we will be searching for a new one. Our problem is BM gets 45% of DH's take home income, so we're tight right now.
7.) Do not go through all of the communication between SO and BM. It will only upset you needlessly. DH used to tell me/show me everything BM said to him. I would get furious about the situation and stressed out. He decided on his own to cut back on what he told me because he hated that it upset me so much. He tells me things that I need to know, and he will tell me anything if I ask. Other than that, I found it easier to step back from that stuff. I am a lot less stressed now. I let DH know that he can talk to me about it if something she says/does is upsetting him and he needs to get it off his chest. Otherwise, I don't care to hear it.
8.) Let him know that when he and his children are ready, you want to meet them. I wouldn't push it. Just let him know where you stand. Let him make the decision of when and where.
It sounds like your SO is a good man. It also sounds like you are both working together. That is very important. DH and I are supportive of each other and talk about everything. If I have an issue with my skids, I can tell him without causing a huge fight. We then work together to figure out solutions. I know I am lucky, because I have read so many stories about fights between BP and SP because BP doesn't support SP. Be supportive of each other and work together. Be prepared for the crap crazy BM will try. If he's worth it, then fight for your relationship. If he's not, move on before your relationship goes any further. Good luck to you and your SO! It can be a crazy, chaotic road, but it's worth it for me.