Your thoughts on this part of disengagement
I had invited oldest SD and her kids to my summer home for a week. (This was PRIOR to me totally disengaging). We had JUST purchaed the house and i had decorated it in a beach theme. SD walks in with kids and doesn't say a word about the house. Says a cold hello and talks to her dad. She and the kids were very cool to me and basically treated me as if I was invisible. I did a lot of things with them...clamming, boating, cooking. Well, after the vacation, SD sent a thank you letter to DH and had each kid write a special letter to DH thanking him for such a special time with HIM in HIS summer vacation home. NO mention of me at all. I was very hurt. Just before I disengaged, older SD asked why I didn't invite them back. I told her I had enough respect for myself to not invite people who clearly do not like me. I nicley told her how hurt I was re: the special letters sent to DH, but no mention of me. And, how hurt I was that they treated me like I was not there. Her response: "that's not fair of you at all! That's why we don't like you!"
Is it YOUR house, or you and
Is it YOUR house, or you and DH's house? If it belongs to both of you, then just let DH go with his kids and grandkids. If it's your house, then that's the last time they will see the inside of it.
It’s my house
i pay the mortgage and all expenses.
OK then! Guess DH can rent a
OK then! Guess DH can rent a place for them all to go to for a vacation.
ok - so you had already
ok - so you had already disengaged when she arrived? Then I don't know why you expected anything different.
Don't invite her back. Don't engage. Just leave it.
I mean, I think that writing letters only addressed to her father - and getting kids to do the same is pretty rude. But if you were already disengaged then she has every right to disengage as well. It goes BOTH ways. My SM treated me like shit, I disengaged. She wonders now why I don't encourage my son to talk to her granddaughter. Her granddaughter wants to talk to my son because he has an English accent. My son is not a zoo animal to be skyped for someone's curiosity and entertainment.
Had not yet disengaged
No, I had not disengaged! I decided to disengage AFTER this event.
Once they decide they dislike
Once they decide they dislike you for whatever reason, it is pretty much over for the SM, I believe. You need to decide they are no longer part of your life, never see them or engage in their drama (as a result of poor parenting), again. Nobody has to be around people who dislike them and intentionally discludes them. You owe yourself better than that. Our husbands owe us better than that....but many of us have husbands who live with the consequences of their own poor parenting. YOU do not, just look out for your self from here on out. It is not a perfect situation, but it is the best we can create for ourselves in this very sick family dynamic.
*** She does not return your YOUR home again, if you are wise.
So, she layed her cards on
So, she layed her cards on the table, they "don't like you". Make her play that hand and bring the pain. The kids are just manipulated pawns. So... no more access to anything in your life for this toxic turd and her turdlets. Ever.
DH can see them somewhere that HE provides far from anything that you provide.
Do not let DH delude himself regarding his toxic spawn. Keep his nose rubbed in that reality firmly.
How he chooses to deal with that stench is up to him but it is up to you to keep his nose rubbed in that stanky spot on his life's carpet.
Write them off and bring the pain.
Have fun!!!
Boy! Are YOU lucky!!
"that's not fair of you at all! That's why we don't like you!" This completely takes you off of the hook! Lucky you!!! Now when DH wants you to play 'Happy Family' you can tell him, "SD said they didn't like me." That means they don't like being around you. That means they don't want to take advantage of your vacation house or your hospitality. That means that you can tell DH that you are merely honoring SD's wishes by staying out of their lives. If DH wants to see them, he can go alone and pay for it. Whatever you do, don't ever allow him to blame you in any way, shape or form.
Take all of your giving attitude and hospitality, invite people with whom you have a mutually respective relationship with to your vacation property, and have a ball!
In the sentence, "that's not fair of you at all! That's why we don't like you!" she told you who she is.
I agree...but the thank you
I agree...but the thank you cards were as plain as day -- what SD later said just reinforced it. No way to interpret those cards as anything but "Gee, thanks, Dad! We don't like SM!"
Easier said than done re the
Easier said than done re the DH just taking them all out without her. Isn’t that saying they can have their way—without her?? Won’t this be bringing in an even greater divide??
I see your point
But this is where SM's attitude plays a big part with setting boundaries and expecting DH to view his marriage as a priority. If my DH wants to visit with SD and pay for all of her expenses that's fine - as long as he has paid his share of the household expenses and the money is not coming out of his retirement fund. And it is fine - as long as it is not impacting our time together and the qualtiy of our marriage. If it DOES start to have a negative effect on the marriage or on finances, it's time to have a 'reality check' conversation with DH.
They don't like you because
They don't like you because you admit that you were hurt by their rudeness? Okay, then.
I guess she doesn't realize how stupid she sounds or that her response doesn't explain her rudeness in the first place.
I guess she will know why she is never invited back.
Called out
Its interesting the common theme of calling SD out in particular. Any decent person would at least say sorry even perhaps if they don't mean it. I tell our son he's being horrid in much sterner words but his half sister No That princess just wants her feet kissed. I don't do that anymore. Mind you if my husband had stood up for me one or twice it may have helped. That will never happen.
Exactly
That's totally right. They don't like it when you point out your hurt. I have done this to SD twice in our 25 year relationship. 6 months ago was the last and we haven't seen or spoken since. And I DONT CARE.
I appreciate all of you!
Thank you for your support! My DH is TOTALLY brainwashed by the ex and SKs. Fortunately, I am a very independent, strong woman with many wonderful family members and friends who CLEARLY see the abuse I have tolerated for years. I put my foot down and TOLD my husband he can take his adult kids and grandchildren anywhere he wants, visit them anytime, but not in my home. He KNOWS how truly mean they are to me. Yet, as many divorced dads, he is ruled by guilt and is often blinded to their manipulations. Just found out my grandson (the one who said he hates me) always gets DH to buy him something whenever he takes him to the movies or out to a nice dinner. I don 't mean some cheap little trinket....the stepgrandson will only wear sneakers 200.00 and above! That has been STOPPED.
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Good for you. You will be surprised to find that your DH will probably treat you better now because you have enough respect for yourself not to allow disrespecful behavior around you.
I have a vacation home that I
I have a vacation home that I bought years before I even met DH. It is mine. period. dot. Before the home invasion SS and the GF had asked DH (not me) about using it. I wasn't thrilled about it - but at that time I was trying to get along with them. I was planning though on putting a lock on our bedroom and relegating them to the 2nd bedroom. We would not have been there.
About two months before this planned visit they entered our home in their city while we were on vacation, slept in our bed, used my most intimate personal items, drank (or stole) GALLONS of liquor, and ransacked our home - looking for money or drugs left over from my surgeries probably. At that point they became persona non grata in my life.
But they pitched a hissy fit that they were no longer going to be able to use my vacation home. Seriously - how stupid could they be? No way I would allow them near anything I owned ever again.
The GF told DH (in writing) that he could no longer see their child - basically because he would not make me "behave". She also said that I just "needed to get over it" referring to their unauthorized use of our main home - which by the way 100% belongs to me. DH is not on the deed or loan.
In reality - they did me a huge favor. I no longer have to have ANYTHING to do with them. Done. If DH died I would not even notify SS. He just doesn't exist in my world. SS helped BM conceal the death of his older brother so that would DH only found out after the funeral. Karma.
SD's cards and letters
SD's cards and letters addressed only to my husband were the final straw that made me disengage from her. So, yea, I'd feel slighted if I were you. Who cares who pays the mortgage? You are part of your husband's life so nothing happens without impact on you, including a visit from SD and her kids.
If nothing else, you gave them your time. But most likely, you did a lot more than that: cleaning before they got there, washing their linens after they left, buying food to feed them.
Regardless, if you didn't lift a finger, it's common courtesy to thank your hosts especially when she was already writing a damn thank you card. By default of marriage, you were also their host.
How much trouble would it have been to add, "and Bethany" to the damn thank you note? How begruding and spiteful did she have to be to make a point like that? Not writing your name on there is a subtle message and you read it correctly.
I do not believe for a nanosecond that your SD "just forgot" you (this was my SD's defense when she pulled this), or that she really thinks her father did everything to make that week-long visit happen and you did nothing. More likely this micro aggression was born of jealousy and pettiness and that behavior should not be rewarded with a second invitation or any more kindness from you.
She indicated what she thinks of you. Disengagement is the appropriate response to her message.
To hell with 'em. Enjoy your disengagement. I sure am!
So very important to disengage!
Seriously, I have the same problem. If the steps know they can be rude to you, and it doesn't change the relationship with their Dad, they are going to be rude. I have never received thank you notes, kindness or any nice behavior and know I never will. Disengagement only works if you can send the message to the step adult kids, without hurting your husband. I have some ways that I do this, just some advice:
1. They are rude when they walk in the door - I don't acknowledge them or make eye contact. Instead I look past them and say Hmmm and half smile (more like a smirk), they can tell something is off, but my husband isn't as perceptive because he's preoccupied with their AMAZING presence.
2. Don't listen to them - act distracted. You can pretend you forgot to do something, call someone or do another important household task. I usually clean the kitchen. Normal people greet guests and offer something to eat or drink. DON'T be a normal person because they are not normal people! Just go about your business.
3. If they throw an insult in you're direction that they think is clever - tell them you can't hear them. Say "sorry, what was that, I can't hear you". It's never as funny if they have to repeat it and say it the second time around. Kind of takes the wind out of their sails.
4. Be polite - I say "no thank you" to everything they say. Say, I really don't discuss that, since it's not very interesting and move on.
5. Don't go to dinner, lunch, vacation or anything with them. Let your husband have alone time with the adult brats. Often times, they will take out their frustrations on him if you are not there and he can deal with it.
6. Very important - DO NOT EVER BUY THEM ANYTHING - EVER!!!!!
7. If they are in your home, do not let them relax! Cause an uncomfortable environment by cleaning with bleach, doing laundry, vacuming, having friends or a repair man over. They cannot ever be allowed to be the center of attention. This will make it too hard for them to be the nasty way they are.
8. To truly disengage - NEVER let your guard down. Step adult kids are clever, crafty and mean with the way they want you to feel. If the above starts to work on them (and it does work), they will try to get your involvement again. This is because they get off on hurting you. Making you feel terrible makes them feel good. Sick? Yes it is. So know that once you disengage, you cannot go back emotionally. If you go back and try again, they will perceive you as weak and vulnerable. They will see themselves as stronger and smarter than you.
9. If they have to stay over, don't make it comfortable and inviting. I'll never forget the time my dog pooped on the floor in front of the door right before they arrived. My husband was bringing them from the airport. I left it for them and went out the back door of the house for an hour. Oops, forgot something from the store!
10. The key to all of this is to not try to please them. But don't act angry. Just everytime you think you should do anything nice - just don't. In this situation you cannot win and less is more.
Remember - be neutral, not nasty. Be disengaged, not mad or upset. Be polite, but a little aloof. And please limit contact with them when you can. The less you see of them the better.
LOL LOL Love this!
The dog poop at the door is a golden gem! Just wish I had read this years ago. I would like to add, if DH comes back with anything that could be considered 'manipulative' such as "They don't feel comfortable here" or "SM doesn't like us", I would make sure to give a reply that you 'thought' they wanted alone time with DH or you 'thought' they wanted to make the bed the way they liked - implying that this is a result of their previous comments or lack of. You were only thinking of them.
No thanks.
This happens to me.SD and kids. I've done a lot for her but I have pulled totally away from her I don't like her. I'd luv to put that in a lovely card. I don't deserve it. I've tried to understand why she treats me like I'm invisible I've done a lot. I think it has something to do with their mothers. Anyway I still see the kids I luv them . SD doesn't converse with me but she wouldn't keep them from their grandfather. It has been hard but I'm glad I gave up on her. And like you i say something to her about how im treated or how I felt and I have only done this twice in 25 years. She said I caused her anxiety. No apology or recognition . that's why she means nothing to me.
Same here. They ignored me in
Same here. They ignored me in my own house. Sd is an evil twitch. SS thinks he’s top dog. I got sick of them throwing their weight around expecting the world to spin around them, their manipulative behaviors, ghosting me , the demanding of attention pukes me. I don’t look directly at them anymore . Who wants to smile and greet them when they can’t respect you even a tiny bit in your own house ? I got tired of being in the lion pit maybe better said the snake pit. Lions for vicious biting, snakes for all the times SS n SD said things about me behind my back.
‘Both my steps have mommy issues. And I’m the devil himself in their eyes. They’ve never given me a chance ever. I have walked out of the pit. I’ll never never trust them
dh said my never was a strong word when I told SS I’d never trust him or his sister again. I looked him in the eye and said never is exactly what I meant , that I didn’t stutter. Bam , done
I only found out that,
I only found out that, according to the skids, i had hated their whole family since 2001, in 2016 so for 15 years i played uber nice and spent tons of money having no idea that they had already written me AND their dad off. Now the whole family thinks we are the bad guys. Both of my steps have Mommy issues as well. I found out from this site the first family is so much more important than the step-mother, because she had the children for grandma, not me.
We have never been asked to babysit. We are never invited to their home for anything except the occasional gskids birthday party in the yard. They have never cooked us a meal. I used to do it all the time for them until I found this website.
Now I understand the real true problem and as everyone says since I know how they really feel I don't have to put up with it. They can see DH any time they want but they couldn't care less about him so twice a year is plenty. They were a screwed up bunch way before I came along. If we divorced we would both be miserable and since misery loves company...they would get what they want.
As a couple we are making retirement plans that will take us away from the area. Being less than 20 miles away from family and never getting a visit sucks. Living somewhere warm, while spending their inheritance, sounds like it would suck less.
Suck less? How about not
Suck less? How about not sucking at all.
"Living somewhere warm, while spending their inheritance, sounds like it would suck less."
Don't let them steal any more of your life and bliss than you have already sacrificed. You and DH live the rest of your lives for each other and let the toxic Skid and her toxic crotch turdlets learn for themselves for the rest of theirs.
Get as far away as you can
Get as far away as you can from them, if your DH cannot man up, like so many others. It is amazing to learn they never liked you even when you were FULLY wining, dining and trying your best to be part of their crazy family. You were not going to be liked regardless of anything you did or did not do for them. Our DH's are not man enough to parent, or they never parented to begin with...in most cases. People who are parented behave better.
I count my blessings now, I am just sorry I did not catch on earlier to my reality show. No more wasting my time, money and emotion. People who are this insanely jealous and exclude me-- are not worth it. You'll get there....
In the moments after you told
In the moments after you told her why she and her children weren't invited back she could have redeemed herself and offered an apology. Instead came a very juvenille and entitled response:
"that's not fair of you at all! That's why we don't like you!"
It's sad, especially the "we" part of it because she's teaching her children this very low level ungrateful behavior. She outed herself yet she still expects you to be a doormat, unbelievable. I'm glad to hear you're disengaging and if you'd ever like some grateful guests give me a call!