Manipulative Step Daughter
There is no easy way to begin the story because it has been going on for so so long!!! I have been married to second husband for 14 years. We became a "yours, mine and ours" family. His daughter 26yrs, my son 22yrs, and our daughter together is now turning 11yrs. Yes we had a wonderful surprise at a later time in our life. Now let be begin by saying that the stepdaughter was always a manipulative little brat, just took a while to really catch on. I met her father when she was 12yrs and she tried to play nice games with me, but shortly turned sour when her daddy started showing any kind of affection towards my (at the time) 8yr son. She would always say she was a daddy's girl!!! Well it got irritating but I tried to just get rid of the feelings. I loved my husband and wanted our family to blend. Fast forward some to lots of family bull crap, drama and more not fairs and house jumping from living with us to living with her mom (who had full custody) all the time. Now we are at a time that I get pregnant with our child. Mind you, this was a very big surprise since we both were turning 40. Stepdaughter is now 14-15, and ends up getting pregnant too!!!! OH YEAH everything leading up to this was all terrible....drugs, stealing, dropping out of school, nothing good, but she always seemed to come out smelling like a rose. Babies are born six months apart, stepdaughter now lives with her mom. Still tring everything she can to split us up. She tries to get job after job, gets hooked on drugs here and there. Years go by and she hooks up with another guy, gets pregnant with his baby. She let the first child live with its babydaddy and his mom and moved in with second babydaddy has that child. Gets missed up with another guy, has and abortion, and finally goes back to second dad and has one more child that is hooked on drugs (heroin) of course gets all kids taken away!!! Now we have a junkie with no kids, still managing to manipulate her mother, father and whoever else for all this time. It has been pure hell trying to keep my 11 year old out of all this. We have moved out of State, however, the stepdaughter is using all that guilt saying her father abandoned her (which he didn't he took her to rehabs all the time)never helped!! And of course the last thing she said to him was he chose a woman over her!!! That of course being me!! Somedays I want to tell her to have her damn father and take my child and leave...I know I can't and won't. She has made me feel like I was unworthy to even be in this marriage. I know that I haven't done anything wrong, I really tried to make it work.
She's just trash that should
She's just trash that should be discarded.
I agree!!! Funny you say
I agree!!! Funny you say that, because she sent her father a message implying that I was a fat pig looking evil cunt that is just a waste of space and she will never forgive me for saying I was going to take her daddy away. Never said I was going to take her daddy away. Fact is we had to move out of state because of his job change. But I know ALL this is her drama and guilt redden ways to make her father feel bad and hate me. However, It is really hard to swallow this, hard to play the loving wife, mother, while his own daughter hates me this much. Words are very hard to take back. Very hard to love somebody with so much hate in your heart. Very sad!!
But thanks for your comments....
First let me say, I am very
First let me say, I am very sorry you are being treated badly. You are in the right place to vent and get some good advice.
You wrapped it all up in the last sentence. You have give it all and tried and tried. This is fairly norm for a jealous SD. You are also feeling guilty and badly because you wanted to be a well blended family, especially for your DH and your marriage.
Now you know the facts: Your SD is not repairable, at least not by your DH, BM, nor you. Your SD needs professional help and it will have to be her decision. I would disengage, beginning now. You will need to step away and let DH and BM deal with this adult daughter. I also made the mistake of letting my adult SD have control of my thinking and dictating my marriage for years. I also felt unworthy to my marriage and felt I was letting my DH down.
This is not the case. It takes a world of self control and self discipline to disengage, but it is worth it. Every case is different and you need to begin protecting yourself, especially your mental state. You have to protect your young child, so begin now. I found that building my own life/world for myself was the best thing I ever did. I have lots of hobbies, friends, yard work, and keep very busy taking care of my disabled DH. I also make sure the bank account is under control and I am ready to empty it to my own name at any moment. Never let your guard down.
I ignore my SD and her drama; I don't listen to it, I don't entertain it, and I absolutely do not think about it. My SD58 is history in my life. My DH is disabled and SD drops by to visit her Dad (SD lives in neighboring State); no problem, I am civil and respectful; but I do not tolerate her controlling, passive aggression for one minute, and she knows it. My SD also told me to leave and told her Father to divorce me. My reply: "I will help you (DH) pack, hold the door open for you, and it will cost you your home and comfortable marriage. Go live with your princess and enjoy". My DH is still here and we are doing well. We have been married 37 years and my SD has made every minute, she is around us, miserable. I wasted 30+ years trying to make a "Brady Bunch" family; I've been disengaged for 8 years and am FREE, have my marriage, and SD is still mad as hell. My SD will never stop trying to undermine me; but she's out of my life and will never accomplish it.
Sometimes, with disengagement you feel like you are losing, but in the end you win. My DH and I are better than we have been for years.
Good luck and ((((hugs))))
Thank you so much for the
Thank you so much for the kind words sammigirl. It is comforting knowing that others like yourself are going though same situations as mine. Sounds like you have managed to work through yours well, and I'm happy for you. There are so many tears I have because of my SD. I look at my daughter and hope to God she never thinks I was bad to the SD. Yes she is that manipulative to even make me feel like this. There are times that I think maybe I did do something to cause this. Then I have to snap out of it. My husband can be very difficult to handle sometimes as well. We get into very bad arguements about his daughter. He thinks I should try and understand people differently, and put myself in their position. HAHA, not her position is what I would tell him. Then of course all hell breaks loose. It always smooths over and back to another day. We love one another, but sometimes I work too hard for this marriage. I know he is trapped with how he is suppose to feel about his wife and daughter. She puts him in this position and thats excatly what she means to do. I feel sorry for him and how his daughter is. I have this dark cloud over me, hard to live our life in love with so much hate from one person.
Thanks again for your concerned feels
Are you really going to let a
Are you really going to let a person saying " And of course the last thing she said to him was he chose a woman over her!!!" get to you when she chose the drugs over her babies?
You've moved your family out of state. Any daily, routine interaction between your DS11 and this messed up young woman really shouldn't be much of a problem. I'm sorry for your SD's issues, but you can freely disengage from dealing with and even listening about all of it. Your husband can handle any contact and he can refrain from sharing all the gory details of her latest escapades and pity parties. If he needs and/or wants to see his daughter , it needs to be away from your home. She's grown, making her own poor decisions and there is nothing you or her father can do for her. She is going to want to get clean hopefully someday. Then she will relapse repeat repeat repeat. Your life and your husband and son can not change anything for this woman.
However it is very natural her your husband to still love and worry about his daughter regardless of what hell she has put herself through or sent your way. I doubt he will ever totally abandon her. But by you removing yourself from being engaged with it all and the physical distance between you all should be easier than if you all lived in the same area.
You might want to try counseling to help sort your feeling. You didn't do any of this to SD
I think this would be helpful
I think this would be helpful too. For a very long time your SD has been an addict. Pretty much everything she has done or said has come from that place where she will literally say anything if she thinks it will net her something.. true or not.
I honestly think that you will be better off to disengage your whole family from her. If your DH can't bring himself to cut off contact until she is clean.. that is his choice but attending meetings might help him deal with this as well.
Why do you care more about
Why do you care more about the toxic SD than she cares about herself or her own children? You are not inadequate... she is. So quit sacrificing yourself on the alter of SParenting martyrdom and recognize that you have gone above and beyond.
It is time to write her off and not let her have any space in your head.
I know I let her use more
I know I let her use more space in my head than necessary!!! And yes sometimes I do feel inadequate. It's hard to be the wife loved by a man, and hated by his daughter. Everyday is a new day...And our daughter is my focus. My husband is very worried about our daughter growing up like her and he is tough on our daughter. He doesn't want to go down the same road, and neither do I.
Thanks for the chat
Oh Lady - disengage from your
Oh Lady - disengage from your SD - she's nothing to you, if Dh talks about her.... pretend to listen and change the subject 3min later
block SD from ever contacting you or your kids, stop knowing what SD does and how her life is, cut her from your life and mind, if you husband wants to keep his daughter and contact with her... he can just not at your home lol..
listen to the ladies on this forum they have major experience... sammigirl to name one , she's driving me, StepAside
notasm... just to name a couple... there's other ladies as well whom I adore but they have funny names lol...
exjulie? Disillusion??
just disengaged
I have tried to disengage but
I have tried to disengage but it's hard when she comes at you by attacking her own dad on social media. Making him the bad dad for leaving. We had to move due to his job moving out of State. But I know that she is attacking with guilt because nothing else has worked. I know that she has screwed her life up and she feels out of control so she needs to get control of her dad, however ME cutting her out of my life is not ever going to be possible, not really. Will say that we have got our WILLS in order to guard against any attacks from her.
Thanks for your comment!
she's attacking her Dad, not
she's attacking her Dad, not you Hon... simply ignore it, never comment on it, never even tell DH you saw it...
if he talks about it, pretend to listen and say, well Hon you can always confront her or simply ignore it, I do not have the solution for you...
And yes you can fully disengage from her and not her father... it takes time but when you get there it was all worth it..
Manipulation--that's what
Manipulation--that's what addicts do. I agree with the others that you, and especially your DH, need to learn how to deal with an addict. Get counseling from someone who specializes in addiction so you can understand but not enable your SD. Go to Al-Anon meetings. Knowledge is power.
Thank you for Merry for your
Thank you for Merry for your response. All advise is welcome. My SD has always been manipulative, even as a little girl. Learned this from some of her family members. And she didn't get this was from drugs, I actually think she just went down this road to fuel her life of drama and really didn't care what consequences came. She is on and off drugs, back and forth to rehabs using them to get clean to show family she is "doing good" and then relapse to gather friends so she needs help and make others see that shes been abandoned and look how bad my dad is. GUILT is an EVIL tool. I know she is only hurting herself, but she doesn't care. However, her three children will be the ones in years to come that will never understand her!. I didnt say before, but she has just now been able to have her 10 yr old son visit and spend the night with her, but her other two kids that are 3 and 4 yrs old have been adopted by her mother. Now her own mother also gives my husband and myself guilt trips for all this, and she doesn't like me either. LOL!!! Oh well....
Thanks again MERRY!!
I would have been tempted to
I would have been tempted to tell her, fine, you are abandoned. Now what? Millions of people don't know their fathers or feel he's a lousy person let alone lousy parent or lost them entirely at an early age. And the point would beeeee....? Oh, they become U.S. presidents (look up stats on how many had father issues-Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon and Barack Obama come to mind), astronauts, business owners, loyal factory workers, and a variety of other solid citizens. So there is no point.
Losing your dad in anyway whatsoever does not force you to become a drug addict.
So what else you got? This excuse ain't cuttin' with me or with anyone else.
That's what I would be tempted to say to her.
LOL...love your spunk!!!
LOL...love your spunk!!! Believe me, I lost it plenty times with her. There was the last time that "broke the camels back" where at the time she was 18 yrs old, came to our house, in the early morning, while my daughter ( 3yrs old at the time) slept. SD came banging on the door stating she hated me and daddy she's the reason I don't get to see you anymore!! Long story short, she actually started a physical altercation that my husband had to break up!!! I wanted sooo bad to throw down on her....BUT NO I took the high road. We all talked and listened to her "f"ing excuses and then I told her daddy she was no longer welcome in my home. Actually thought if her dad seen how she treated me this would change things...NOPE didn't he just went on with our married life. We moved out of State couple years after this, due to husbands job moving, so Its better, but she still manages to make life hell here. I think she has a demon in her, best I can reason LOL!!!
Thanks again for your comment!
Im so sorry you are going
Im so sorry you are going through this!!! This girl sounds like the consummate "victim", always laying blame on others for the results of HER choices and HER decisions.
Her clumsy attempts at manipulation and button-pushing, don't let them get to you. Take advice and seek knowledge, and definitely keep your kidling safe from her influences.
My SD18, for the past 3 years has been saying the EXACT SAME THING "Daddy you chose your GIRLFRIEND over your own DAUGHTER, how could you!?!" > cue the tears after an argument where Winona SD18 was disrespectful to me, CLove, and SO was standing up to her and telling her not to be disrespectful.
OH, boy, your SD sounds like quite the handful. She is addicted to the thrill of a new man, of a drug fix, and doesn't care about anyone else but herself. She needs help and has not made the decision to follow through. Its her choice. Those poor little babies she keeps having! I do not have children, am unable to, but am sad that these narcissistic, selfish, awful child-women are able to. (sorry, little side-vent).
I hope that your marriage can survive, if he comes to his senses and stops enabling his daughter-dearest.
Thanks for you comments. It
Thanks for you comments. It helps to vent to others with same problems. My SD is definately a narcissistic person and she has learned over the years to be manipulative even in her early years. I have spoke with HER grandmother and she agreed that her granddaughter was always manipulative as a little girl. She would steal her jewelry while visiting her. Con her grandmother into things by using her own parents against one another. And she wasn't hooked on drugs when I met her, and she did these things to me. It's all just a mess!! I will just keep on keeping.
Thanks again for your words of encouragement.
Winona SD18, ever since I
Winona SD18, ever since I have known her, she has been a mean, manipulative POS (piece of Sh!t).
When she was 15, she was disrespectful to me, we got into an argument over it, and when SO stood up for me, she told him she "should just go kill herself, or pack a bag and run away". Cue the Guilt Trip. So we took her on our Valentines Trip with us.
Then there was the countless other times, when she would blow off something I asked her to do, or NOT do, or ignored me, or got in my face and stated "just so you know, I was here first". And when I called her on it, she again turned it around to "Da-dee you are choosing HER over your own daughter!!!"
And to make matters worse, she would tell her sister that I was going to make it so Munchkin SD11 wasn't allowed in our home anymore, just like her. That I was going to get rid of the little one just like I was getting rid of the eldest - this was when SO stood up for me, and sent her to mothers house, for disrespecting me. The list goes on. Thankfully she does not drink and does not do drugs, right now, but basically she doesn't DO anything, and that's our main problem.
She has no job, but has no problem asking Da-dee for money$$$, and has no problem not helping around the house. She hoards dishes of food in her room, old stale molding coffee, and yesterday I found a burning candle in her room. We keep her at a 50/50 like her sister, because she is not working, and not helping and we just need a break.
I am attempting to disengage, but I get so frustrated when I work all day, then come home and cook food that she will then eat, and not wash her own dishes. Now she is graduated, you would think her room should be spotless, but no it is a pigsty. You would think shed have a job. Nope.
But if I say anything all heck breaks loose, and I am being too hard on her, then she goes crying to Da-dee, who typically will back me up, and then get angry at ME, because I caused problems with his poor little snowflake.
Last October, Winona SD18 went off on me, said horrible horrible things to me. Told me I am disgusting for wanting a child of my own, that she hates me, that I am a f@cking crazy b!tch, that if she were my sibling she would have killed herself, like my baby brother did a long time ago, that she knows I am going to hell, that I am the cause of all her mental problems. And SO heard it and saw it. Then she lied about it to BM, and when Winona was confronted about it, called SO a liar.
This was just a few months ago. No apologies, nothing. A few other times she went back to calling me a cr@zy b!tch, and I was the one who had to apologise. To "make things nice".
I am no longer willing to sacrifice myself, to "make things nice". You should not sacrifice to "make things nice".
Please see a therapist so you
Please see a therapist so you can gain enough self-confidence to place boundaries on both SD and DH, and disengage from SD. You owe this to your kids. You've taken on a responsibility that is not yours to deal with. It's DH's job. Block her from your social media and stop looking at DH's. Stop discussing her with DH - change the subject as soon as she comes up. Do not allow her in your home until she is completely recovered, and not relapsed for a specific time - at least a year, and until she has a different attitude. You see yourself as powerless - and you are not.
"last thing she said to him
"last thing she said to him was he chose a woman over her!!! "
SD is spewing hatred, DH hears it feels guilty then shares it with you so that you will feel responsible and guilty too. Thus DH is sharing HIS burden. First thing you need to do is tell DH to stop sharing anything SD says with him especially if it's about you, the buck stops at him. You also do not need to hear about her latest drug fiasco or relationship issues. These are all stories for DH, she doesn't want you to be a part of her life so there's nothing you can do about it. I have a 2 minute rule when listening to DH about the ss's, when the 2 minutes are up I change the subject to something else. DH has no idea this rule exists but it works, he feels heard and two minutes is not enough time to get drug back into step drama.
"last thing she said to him
"last thing she said to him was he chose a woman over her!!!"
And the perfect reply would be: "Of course he chose a normal woman over a disgusting POS like her."
I have a sister who is much younger than I am. As our mother has been gone for over 20 years I am much more of a mother figure to her than a sister. She has been staying with me for the past 10 days as she had major orthopedic surgery and cannot walk even one step. The nurse at the doctor's today assumed I was her mother.
She and I had an interesting conversation tonight about mutual friends who have horrible children - primarily with addiction problems - heroin being the most common. And how their parents continue to enable them.
The addicts lie, cheat, and steal because that is what addicts do. I looked her in the eye and told her that I would have no trouble turning even her in to authorities if she stole from me. She laughed and said she'd do the same thing. Of course we both realized that neither of us would EVER go that route. But there was also a sense of reality that neither of us would ever accept the unacceptable.
It's not possible to
It's not possible to "abandon" a 26 year old child. Its called launching. Cut off contact with her. Hopefully your DH will do the same until she starts making sense.