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Doubletakex3's picture

This article came up in a conversation last night with a male peer. He said the article was a wake-up as a parent to a teen boy. It prompted him to snatch the cord to his son's video games and plans to give them back at the New Year.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/04/opinion/bennett-men-in-trouble/index.html

I found this response to the article interesting as it specifically points to the divorce courts taking away a man's rights to parent and contributing to the devaluing of male influence in the family unit and society.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/an-open-letter-to-william-bennett/

Very interesting perspectives of effect and cause, cause and effect on paternal roles and the young men of our society.

Madam Hedgehog's picture

The first article was interesting, but I think his solution was completely absurd. I also think Bennett was making alot of assumptions about what is actually problematic. Who cares if guys who don't want families don't have families? I'd say the fewer people who have kids they don't want, the better. As a step-mother, I completely agree that the family court system is INSANELY SEXIST TOWARD MEN. However, there is no A to B association with sexism and too many video games.

The second article started out sort of promising, and then it went down hill fast. Blaming feminism for the decline in traditional male "success" is assinine (my husband agrees, by the way, but he's a feminist so maybe that negates his opinion on the matter?). Men still occupy the majority of high-paying jobs. Men still make more money for the same job. The majority of millionaires and hyper successful CEO's are male.

I don't necessarily have a problem with any of that, and I'm not about to suggest that those issues are more or less problematic than the sexism exercised toward men in family courts regarding custody, alimony, child support, etc.

What I am going to say is that blaming feminists presupposes that there is some sort of battle between the sexes, and that that "battle" is central to the goals of feminism. Feminism is not aimed as reversing the hierarchy. It's aimed at equality, and I have serious doubts about any cultural ideology that demands the subversion of one social group by another. Additionally, blaming an almost nonexistant social group--feminists--for a widespread problem is completely illogical. I know two people who will admit to being feminists, both of whom are male: my husband and one of my college professors (who is the chair of his department).

I think a more realistic possible cause is American ideology. Men (and now women) are being raised to think they should grow up, make a ton of money, buy a big fancy house and have the perfect spouse and the perfect children. When that doesn't happen (when it literally can't happen), you feel like a failure and you withdraw. Who wants to work their ass off when they're going to be a failure no matter what? Not me. I feel like a failure sometimes, too. I thought I'd be a doctor or a lawyer or politician by now. I'm an English teacher. I'm barely above poverty level. By "American Dream" standards, I AM A FAILURE. But I'm not blaming "masculinists" or republicans or democrats or illegal immigrants for my problems.

American ideology sets people up for a huge let down as adults, men especially. They are told they will be the king of their own private castle with their perfect adoring family and have ten thousand dollars vacations every summer. It's the classic Fight Club situation; everyone is raised to believe they will be a rock star or millionaire, and it's statistically (and economically) impossible.

However, when "failure" hits it is still men's responsibility to respond in a constructive or positive or intelligent way.

My DH takes care of both his kids from 6AM until 5PM EVERY DAY. BM is still legally the custodial parent. We are fighting it. We are getting practically nowhere. However, if he withdrew and gave up and started playing video games all day instead of taking care of his kids, that would make him a jackass rather than a victim of feminism.

AlekNovy's picture

"Men still make more money for the same job."

Because they work more hours.

The labour department came out with a definitive report on the wage-gap, finding that hours worked alone covers most of the wage gap (almost all of it). As in, men in a given profession work 44 hours on average, where the women work 33 hours. Also, women take far more days off, almost always refuse opportunities to relocate for a higher-paying position etc... etc...

You can find a recent NewYorkTimes peace that talked about the problem with so many female doctors in medicine, written by a female doctor. Apparently, female doctors (as a group) refuse to work more than the bare minimum, and the more women become doctors, the less actual patients can be handled.

Please get educated. Read the labour department's final report on the "wage gap".

**Also**

In the younger generation of men this is no longer the case. Among the young generations in the USA, in their early twenties, young women earn 117% what their male counterparts do, because men *are* dropping out. They've completely given up on a system that does not care for them.

And not only does the system not care for them, demonize men, attack men on all fronts, paint men badly... But then people like madam come and say that no such war exists... After society screwing men for decades, and not listening to anytime they speak they're always shut down with techniques like madam used "Oh, nothing bas is happening, feminism doesn't hate you, it's all in your head".

Men have only one response left, complete and utter boycott. Feel free to research the herbivore generation in japan. Young men are dropping out of society. You can continue to feel goodie good with your denial... but whatever.