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BM is the most evil person I've ever met-I need help!

dbsojo's picture

If anyone has any advice to ease this situation, I would be eternally grateful. BM is evil-admittedly more evil that any BM anyone I know has ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I won't waste your time with over a year's worth of turmoil, and I'll only talk about the past week. My fiance called his son Sunday night, which the court considered part of his visitation to the extent that the court ordered BM to provide a cell phone for the son. She would not allow my fiance to talk to his son. At least, this is what we gathered after repeatedly being hung up on. He called again Monday night. More hang ups. He left a message. When his son didn't call back, he called back. This goes on for the majority of the night. Finally my ficance is able to talk to his son for about 2 minutes. Then she told her son that she wanted to talk to my fiance (keep in mind that the kid's bedtime is about 5 minutes away at this point). My fiance explained that he didn't want to talk to his mother, that he had called to talk to him. All of a sudden, it's dinner time, and that was the last time Mic was able to talk to his kid. He called a whole slew of times yesterday, leaving message after message saying that he just wanted to talk to his kid. Finally, she turned off the phone. What are we supposed to do? She just wants him to pay child support, and not actually be in the child's life. She is legally in contempt of court, violating both parts of the court order (ie:letting them talk everyday, and providing a phone for them to talk on that isn't hers). The question of legality seems easy enough, but it takes about three months to schedule a court date for family court in my county, and she missed that last court date. Our judge is extrememly biased, and lets her openly lie in court. We have been trying to contact father-child advocacy programs, but no one really seems to be able to do anything about it. My fiance is thinking about signing a criminal complaint over it, but no body seems to think tha enforcing a court order is a very big deal, including the judge that ordered it! You would think at least, that he would feel a little disrespected, but this does not seem to be the case. Another 3 months of barely talking to his father, on top of everything I have failed to mention here, could and probably will be traumatizing to the child. What do we do? Will we get stuck payng for couseling and therapy?

Anne 8102's picture

I'm your crystal ball into the future. We went through YEARS of this... kids "not home" when he calls, he leaves a message and no one calls him back, he sends emails that never receive a response, cards, letters and gift packages seem to disappear at the post office, because she claims the kids never got anything from us in the mail. We had a court date, it was bumped back twice and by the time the new date rolled around, hubby was deployed and we had to cancel it. When he returned from his deployment, we moved out of state and then it seemed ridiculous to waste money trying to get visitation when we can't really drive fifteen hours one-way every other weekend to pick up the kids. My husband has basically no contact with his kids now and, if you read any of my old posts, you'll know that the whole situation and the way he's handling it (or not handling it) has been very destructive to the well-being of us, our children and our marriage.

Here's your glimpse into the future, five years down the road... my husband is successful in getting his kids to answer the phone maybe five times a year. We know that we will not get to talk to the kids at all from June through August, she won't answer the phone then because she knows we'll request summer vacation visitation. Whatever emails we send to the kids have to go to her email address and (we suspect) she deletes them without the kids ever reading them, because they always say they never get emails from us. The oldest kid does have her own email address now, but her mother reads every email, so we have to be very careful of what we say. My husband NEVER gets so much as a card or a phone call on Father's Day, his birthday, holidays, etc. NOT A THING, not the slightest bit of acknowledgement, let alone a card or gift. The kids have their own cell phones and NEVER call him and rarely answer when he calls them. They are older now, so at this point she may not actually be physically preventing the contact, but she's been so successful in alienating the kids from their dad they it's almost their choise not to contact him now. It sucks HARD.

My advice is that if you live close enough to her, then FIGHT HARD to get the courts to hear you and if this judge won't, then petition for another judge. If your attorney doesn't seem like he's willing to really advocate for you, then fire him and get a new one. She is in contempt and while they may only warn her the first time you drag her before a judge, if she goes before the same judge more than once, he will eventually hold her in contempt. I'm so sorry you are going through this. It's a nightmare.

~ Anne ~

Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice: Pull down your pants and slide on the ice! -M*A*S*H (Sidney Freedman to the OR staff on dealing with stress)

dbsojo's picture

I'm eternally grateful, as promised, however I am not sure if I should be encouraged or discouraged on account of it. We live just 10-15 minutes from BM, and we certainly don't mind going to court however many times it takes. The problem is the time between her head games and the actaul court date. And then when we go to court, she just gets told to stop doing what's she's doing. That was how we ended up with the court order for the cell phone- because she wouldn't let them talk. But in the mean time, SS is suffereing, and terribly. This poor kid has enough to deal with for a 7 year old. Mic and I have already discussed trying to get him into therapy so that he has someone non-biased to talk to, but what therapist is around every other weekend? You mentioned that now your husband's children are older, able to control the situation, and that they've been alienated from their father so much that they still don't really talk to him. This is exactly what we're trying to avoid. This poor kid's mother is evil, and he needs better influences to balance it out, or else he will grow up to treat people as bad as she does (and the Lord knows we don't need another person like that-the world is bad enough). As of right now, she has already taught him to lie to his father, and others around him. I never wanted children of my own, and I didn't even like kids when I was a kid. But SS is so smart, so understanding, and so special. He's all we'll ever have, and I've really come to love him, I suspect as much as I could ever love one of my own. It hurts me to know that his primary caretaker is willing to put him through hell just to hurt someone he loves. It's already affecting him, and he's already acting out. He's 7 and already has anger issues (they tend to present at school and at his mom's house, but he's always good as gold for us). This just isn't right. There has to be some way to cope with this. I would love to know what else we can do besides go to court, and let him know how much he is loved. The loving part doesn't even really go that far, as he is only with us every other weekend. Even that terminology sounds inflated-about 4 days a month-36 days out of the year. How do you help a child whose mother refuses to allow him to be helped?

robinmaye37's picture

Donna I totally understand your frustration. I wonder if the BM in my case is the twin of the one in yours. This woman is evil beyond comprehension. She also refuses to let us talk to the kids on the phone, stating that the phone is in her mothers name and her mom does not have to let us call on it is she doesn't want us to. She told us we have to give each child a cell of their own and pay for it if we want to talk to the kids. And all this was said after the court ordered unrestricted phone conversations. When his son wants to talk to my boyfriend, he has to sneak and hide in the basement bathroom and lock the door and call us. The other two children ages 13 and 8 are being turned against their father more and more each day by their BM. And the one son that is 10 gets hit and verbally abused when he tells his BM and her parents to stop talking bad about his Dad. He is more mature than the other 2 and wants out of there so bad. We have had to call children and youth over physical abuse he suffered at home. He had marks on him and was crying that he didn't want to go back, but they did nothing to help. Instead things got worse for him. And the BM in turn called CYS on us and said very untrue things. Good thing we had her on tape saying she would accuse my boyfriend of sexual abuse just to keep him away from his kids if he didn't give her $5000. Now that is an evil person.

We are at a point now where we are considering getting a new lawyer as our concerns and the things that happen go by with nothing being done. The only positive thing that our lawyer has done is petitioned for a Guardian ad litem, but he had no choice as we threated to fire him if he didn't. We have also talked about getting a second opinion from a therapist in regards to the children. The two older kids are in therapy, but we have no access to information as the therapist will not return our calls. The BM makes all the appointments on the days the BF works so the therapist only gets to hear her lies. The son is scared to talk to the therapist because she tells his mom what he says and then he gets punished when he gets home. She flat out lies to the therapist when the kids complained about not being allowed to talk to their dad on the phone or about how she bad mouths us.

It is frustrating because everyone says we can't say anything about her or what she is doing or it just reflects bad on us and looks like we are out to get her. How are we suppose to protect the children if we have to sit back and keep our mouths shut? Our 10 yr old has the same anger issues as your 7 yr old. He is great when he is with us in a calm loving environment, but when he is with his BM he has a lot of problems controlling the anger. He refuses to give in to her and stop loving his father and then things get physical between them. He is learning this from her and there is nothing we can do to stop it. We do talk to him and encourage him to not hit or become out of control as then his BM can turn and use that as a defense for her hitting him. He is doing better with it and things have been calm for a week or two now. With my boyfriends daughter it is not going well as the mother is refusing to have the child checked for bi-polar. We did get a hold of the therapist about 2 weeks ago and she said she saw signs of this condition and wanted to have the child tested. But now we have left a dozen messages for the therapist and she is not returning our calls again, and the BM says there is no test and there is nothing wrong with the child and will not have her tested even if there was a test. Problem is BM is also BIpolar, but is in denial about it. The therapist slipped and told us that when she told us about the child. The therapy they go to now is to help them adjust to the divorce and is with a LSW. The therapist wants the child to see a psychiatrist and be evaluated for the bipolar and begin treatment if necessary.

We have set up a safety plan for his son with one of the neighbors where he lives. There had been an incident with his mom and he had tried to get to a phone to call 911 and he was pushed to the ground by his mother and held there while his grandmother and sister took the phone from his room. Now we have it set up so if anything like that happens again he can go to this neighbor for safety and call 911 from there.

Think I have vented a bit here. Sometimes just letting it out helps me deal with it all. Keep letting your ss know how much he is loved by you both and don't give up. That is what holds us together when things seem so lost and out of control. We are fighting for custody, but know that even if we get the children it will be a long road due to the abuse they have been through and the alienation their mother has caused between them and their father. It will mean lots of therapy and lots of sleepless nights I am sure.

dbsojo's picture

Thank you for replying. We actually got some good news yesterday that encouraged me a bit. Mic finally got a hold of the social worker from court, and his son has his date for a psychological evaluation(which the court was supposed to schedule back in August). However, I am worried about the confidentiality of the meeting. We went through an incident during the last visitation where SS told us about abuse that happened last year. Of course, Mic had to walk away in order to keep his temper, so I asked SS further questions in regard to what he had said. The end result was that it was quite some time ago, and that he no longer fears his mother's boyfriend. This being the case, I asked him if he wanted us to talk to someone about it or if he wanted to use this experience as a way to build trust between him and his dad. He said that he thought his mom would be mean to him when he got home, and he asked his dad to just be aware of the situation, and to be understanding, which he was able to do after I told him what SS and I discussed. My point being, that if he tells someone about all of the stuff that has been going on, and he finds out that his mom knows what he said, I don't think that he will continue to trust people about these sensitive issues. Does anyone have any advice as to how we can show him that even if the therapist tells what he said that we won't? With his homelife, we need him to trust us enough that he can tell us about abuse when it happens (as opposed to a year later, in this case), which was the point behind us just sitting on the info he told us two weeks ago. Should we explain anything about this evaluation to him, or should we just let him go, and hope everything comes out? Is there a way for us to instill trust in the therapist ahead of time, or not so much? I would appreciate any insights ya'll have.