OMG, that's horrible! I wish there was something I could say to help you. Just know we are all here for you.

She sounds deeply distrubed and you need the help and assistance of a good doctor, pediatrician and pyschiatrist. They have hospitals for children that she can stay at (check Children's Hospital) with mental and behavioural issues and can be evaluated, have meds tested, behavioural therapy, schooling, etc.

You guys cannot do this one, its beyond a layman's ability. Even with extensive treatment, she may never be well.

You need to jump on this asap. Try contacted your local CPS and see if they have any suggestions, advise, mental health professionals, referrals, etc.

I do understand the problem that you are having, my SK's have many serious issues (violence is in there) and I know the fear you are feeling. Its not easy to "commit" a 12 year old to a pysch ward but do away with the sterotypical idea of a pysch ward, and it is the best place for her safety, your safety and the baby's safety.

Please start with your family doctor (go without the child so you can discuss her openly with doctor).

You are in my prayers.

We all smile in the same language

To boarding school or something. Or there is always the Baker-Act. Seriously, you have a real problem on your hands with this one. She needs to disappear from your lives for a very long time, at least until she is mentally stable. She has put your baby's life in danger. That's not something to play around with. Your SD could end up in prison if she's not careful.

and keep her there until a panel of Docs release her after a very complex and looonnnnnnng treatment and review process.

Just my thoughts of course.

Best regards,

My BS was right around a year old. My oldest SS turned him upside down, held his feet in air and pushed his shoulders into the floor and his head into his chest. I screamed at him to let go, but he wouldn't. I was running over to him as I yelled. I had to shove him off of my son. I checked my baby to make sure he was okay and marched the kids to the vehicle. I took his little but to the police station. The sherrif himself threatned to hang him by his toes and whip his a**. SS did not care. He just shruged. He was only 9. From there I went to the Juvinile intake officer. He told me to put him in a mental hospitle. I did. He stayed there for almost a year. That was not the first mean thing he did, but it was the first life-threatning thing he did to my son. Now he much better behaved. He still has issues, but I usually squash quickly. I have learned that I have to be willing to do what it takes to keep him in line. Sometimes it is hard, but I know if I slip, he will start to turn around.

I would put his butt right back in the mental facility if I had to. It would not bother me a bit. I cannot have him running around acting like a little senseless idiot!

~IT WAS WORTH IT WHEN I BEGAN~

I am not saying she is not an evil child or bad behaved child, but I think you need to check on this "kill" thing because just like many other words in our language have lost their touch, well, "kill" does not really mean "kill" to many people...I tell you because I use that all the time and it truly does NOT mean I would kill anybody...geez, I cry if someone kills a spider! But when I get angry what I mean is "I want to whack you over the head, I want to make this stop, I can't deal with this, blah, blah"...and well, kill is one of the words that I use..

They had a boy, about 10 years old I think, that was behaving the way your SD has. What they said was when these things occured, that they were to tell the child that they were calling the police. If the behavior continued, the parents were to actually call the police.

She needs to learn that she is out of control. That this behavior is not acceptable in society and the result of this behavior is jail.

I have seen several situations where parents actually did call the police on children anywhere from age 10 to 18. The police WILL handle it with her. Once she hears an officer say that they WILL take her to jail, she should check her behavior.

If SD broke my baby BD's arm, there's no way she would EVER get back in my house.

Why did BM give her rights away? When did this happen? Does it correlate at all with SD's murderous turn of thought?

I ask because when SD was 11 her BM moved an hour away and left her with us. She was determined to take her anger and frustration out on me and DH(instead of BM). I had a BD about 6 months old at the time. I could NEVER leave BD alone with SD. I took BD with me everywhere I went in the house. I even worried about BD at night, in her room next to SD's. Luckily, I am a light sleeper and I think SD was too afraid of me to try anything like that. But she managed to make sure, over the years, that as many bad things as possible happened to BDs when she was around. My mother even said she thought SD was deliberately trying to hurt BDs. I wouldn't put that past her, although it didn't rise to the level of breaking one of their arms (lucky for SD). But she would throw the phone at me while I was holding a baby BD, or try to hit baby BD in the head with the door while I was holding her, or deliberately allow a baby BD to climb the stairs (above a hardwood floor) and then watch, hoping they would fall.

We put SD in counseling for a while, and it did help a bit. Luckily, her behavior didn't escalate (primarily because she knew I would be around and hold her accountable). In your case, I'd say a stay in a mental facility definitely is in order.