court today...nothing resolved and i feel worse now more than ever
so we went to court today so we could hear what the GAL found out about the whole situation. first off, he said there are no issues...nothing is going on, SD is fine. then we find out that he costs $1000 and my BF has to pay $750 of that...we dont have this kind of money, dont know where we are going to get the money. so it cost us $750 to hear in court that BM is a liar...WOW THANKS. we couldve said that and it wouldnt have cost us a thing. then they started ironing out visitation. first the GAL wanted Bf to have SD every saturday...nice eh? thank god he put his foot down and said no, every other wkend is good. thats all he wanted but they forced the tues visit upon him...BF said, i am going to be doing training, OT and out of town training indefinitely...the didnt care. they said just let BM know if u cant get her via text. we asked about a communication journal to pass back and forth in an effort to limit her contact...they said no. and they wouldnt put the exchanges were to take place at McDonalds in the papers. GAL said, if u cant get along to drop off at each others houses, theres a problem. NO KIDDING!!! HELLO?!!!!!!! u cannot talk to this crazy woman about anything.
so basically they have left everything open for it to go back to exactly what it was before w her calling, texting, screaming, causing trouble, etc...AND we dont get reduced time w SD like we wanted. the mediator did tell us that we can choose NOT to exercise all of the visitation, meaning dont get her on tuesdays if u cant. so we wont. CS also went up, bc BF had been getting a "break" this whole time when BM was being nice in the beginning aka before i moved in.
when the judge left and they were finalizing the parenting plan BM was sitting at the table w her laywer, BF, GAL and mediator. and she kept bringing up the most ridiculous stuff. said how he wasnt paying daycare...LIE. laywer told her to drop it. then BF said so do i get an alternate at daycare to pick her up on my fridays? rem BM had banned me and even BF from daycare in the past. GAL said of course. then BM said, well i thought we were exchanging at my house so i will get her from daycare and u can get her from my house. BF said no im picking her up from daycare. BM said, "well i want to see her for a few mins b4 u get her on yr wkends." then the GAL chimed in, and this is the only part of the day i actually enjoyed, "no u dont need to do that. ur not seeing her for 10 mins then giving her to him and hes not waiting til u decide to get home at 7 to start his wkends." she started to open her mouth again and GAL and her lawyer basically told her to shut up. see how she is? she doesnt care about seeing SD for the drive from daycare to her house...she just wants to control the situation, keep both of us from getting her at daycare and see him so she can start trouble. nothing got resolved here...they left everything basically as is and open for her to go and do exactly what she has been w harassing, etc except now, we have to pay more in CS and an extra $750.
not happy at all. i feel more depressed and more hopeless than i did before. no end in sight. i can just see this turning into all the horrible stories some pepople on here have had to deal w and no one cares to stop it or do anything about it. i feel so beaten down and just exhausted. thanks for letting me vent.
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I'm really sorry to hear
I'm really sorry to hear that it went crappy.. I have just gotten used to the fact that guys loose more so when the BM is a psycho biotch. The nuttier the better I guess is how the courts look at it. I think it's crazy the children need both parents to work together so that the children don't suffer but apparently the courts don't think that way.. Again I am really sorry I have been through the same thing.
Yeah, I'm sorry too
I don't have to worry about this issue, but I have done a lot of reading about it. Your BF is right...he does not have to exercise his visitation, and he was right on insisting he pick SD up from daycare.
What I have learned in reading about this stuff is that the family court system is designed to keep feeding the cash cow. They left everything pretty much open so that you can spend more money going back to court to settle the issues that should have been settled in the first place. The more animosity and conflict they can create between the parents means more money for the lawyers and mediators and the GAL. And in the majority of cases, it is the father who pays the financial price in this mess. Just like yours did.
thanks ladies
im just so frustrated and exhausted by the whole thing. all they cared about was how it would "look" to have certain provisions in place to protect us, like exchanges at mcd's and the communication journal. well, we arent dealing w a normal person here. so certain things that arent the norm have to be in place to protect us...but no one cares. and the fact that he has to pay this much money for the GAL when he was ordered bc of BMs lies...thats just the nail in the coffin.
I'm sorry it went so badly for you
sometimes i find it therapuetic to write in my personal blog, or to keep a journal. It makes things a little easier to deal with if you put them on paper or somewhere you can read them. "This too shall pass". I know it doesn't seem like it now, but believe me, it WILL get better. HUGS to you
I'm sorry
this all went down this way, it brings up alot of memories, that I wish to forget, but alas......it is still part of our lives to this day, unfortunatly , we cannot erase this past life our DH's have had....but we can try to control our future w/ them / and move forward in a positive way.~ " I started out clean, now, I'm jaded"~ Rob Thomas, Matchbox 20
Sorry it went down this way!
It is very frustrating when others can not see the turmoil that we are going through because of the BM &/or skids. You are right, this is not normal behaviour the way they act & why can we not be protected in the court system?
I was talking to hubby's spec. receptionist yesterday. They provided letters to court on what he is capable of doing/not doing because of his disability because of CS. She was asking how things are going with the ex. She indicated that her best friend has been living a life like we have for 13 yrs now...said that her friend has been ready to throw in the towel on the marriage several times because of the BS from the BM. She indicated that the BM must still have strong feelings for the hubby to act the way she does, because why would she not go on with her life and find happiness. I know hubby's ex still has feelings for him, she has told him so in the past even though she is in a relationship (for several yrs).
I keep looking ahead and praying the next 5+ yrs will fly by and we will not have to deal with her anymore.....seems like a long, long time though. We have considered moving far away as well, but I have kids that are established here and due to the past they have had to move a lot. I can't do it to them again until they are done high school, then the possibilities are there....but the youngest SS will be 17 by then. It's so very frustrating and painful to live like this. Just remember, there is Karma....it just hasn't reached us yet...but it will come.
Corie
I will tell you what an attorney friend once told me...
Before we had custody BM had it in her brain that DH was to pay for daycare in the summer (BM paid for after care during the school year out of CS and DH was to pay for "camps and overnight trips that both parties agree to ahead of time." I wondered why BM didn't get something in writing about summer day care. Well...because she picked daycares that had the name "camp" in them. Like CYC Fun and Swim Camp and Bur**** Swim Camp (at a cheap "country club" in town.) These were child care facilities for older kids, so they used the name "camp" to make it seem older for their ego (once again pandering to children's "self esteem"). SO according to BM DH needed to pay for those. ALL the child care for the whole summer. DH paid for a few weeks of summer camps (real ones) and then the first summer while I was still working he ended up paying for summer child care b/c he had signed her up and BM refused to pay (and DH was using it too.) So the next summer I was home, pregnant with Anna. BM refused to bring SD here (unless SD was sick and couldn't go to "CAMP" then BM would gladly drop her off to me rather than stay home with her.)
The total each summer was around 900 bucks, but DH refused to pay for any of it the next two summers because we weren't using it, had offered SD to be here for free, and it was BM's choice to rack up the bill.
So....
All through the custody case BM was narrowly focused on this one thing, having her lawyer send threatening letters etc for "last summer" only (probably because she claimed the other one on her taxes) BUT claiming it was 1800 bucks (which would have been the total for BOTH summers.) No paperwork like a receipt just the demand for this total out of thin air.
So our attorney told DH he was protected thanks to the language his attorney sneaked in "That both parties agree to ahead of time." DH didn't agree. BM signed her up anyway. Too bad for her. Our attorney drafted a response stating as much, PLUS "Since we are focused on figuring out the child's best interest in custody right now, we will not address this issue with the court at this time." Never heard another word about it.
During this time another lawyer friend of mine said, "Peace at the price tag of 1800 would be cheap in this sort of case." I told him, "If only that amount would buy it. It won't. BM will continue to try to find ways to milk money from DH."
In your case....I think the amount you're talking about is "cheap" however to stop these allegations. If she continues to make them she could be sued by you guys for defamation of character. As a matter of fact I would have an attorney draft that letter up for you. Shouldn't cost too much for a letter. If not then draft it yourself. Just plain and simple not too many details. Then send it registered mail and keep the receipt.
This should actually have purchased you peace believe it or not. BM has been told she's lying in court, as well as being controlling with the daycare. That's huge. The GAL sided with you, pay the man in installments if need be.
And hopefully, you can move on. This could be worse Bella. Much worse. You guys really did "win."
“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks
thanks zen
trying to be optimistic here but i just dont see it like that...maybe bc im too close and scarred by it all. she as not caught lying in court...the GAL simply said theres no reason for concern. nothing was brot up about her lying, or changing her story. in fact when i asked the GAL why we had to pay so much when it was all bc of a lie he even corrected me "no she didnt lie. she just wanted to know the truth behind what her daughter said or what she thot she said." as for being controlling w daycare, he didnt call her out on it. he simply said u dont need to see her for 10 mins or whatever. no one called her out on any of her shananigans. plus, everything we wanted in the way of limiting contact or portecting ourselves and our property at that, we were told no. i dont understand when i know alot of people here have similar situations and have tried these things, but we were told no. and if she sat there in court in front of everyone and talked the way she did, shes not gonna stop her bs when its just her and us.
also, we dont have that extra $750 and it has to be paid by july 14th when we go BACK TO COURT YET AGAIN.
i appreciate what youre saying and i do value yr opinion, u know that. im just so tired of her getting away w all this and no one oding a damn thing about it. yes im happy the abuse got thrown out but it was all predicated on a lie and shouldnt have happened in the first place.
I understand your feelings completely...
Maybe it's because I'm a year out of the drama and stress of custody cases. I remember at the time wanting to shake my attorney friend, but all I answered with was, "If only she could be purchased with 1800 bucks." So on that aspect I really get it. They are out for whatever they can get, and the courts are quick to try and smooth over things by patronizing the person who's least rational. (We saw that with our mediator, but our GAL was all business and not reeled in by BM at all.)
Does BM have to pay half of the GAL at least? I would still contact their office about a payment plan. I have known people to refuse to pay GAL bills (don't know what happened about it) but they have due to financial strain. So I would contact the GAL office and explain you need more time and installments. They should comply as payments are better than nothing.
"I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks
the GAL
costs $1000, he pays $750 and she pays $250...why this is a fair amount, i dont know...if u go by income, his portion would be like 65% hers 35%. we asked the GAL about making payments and all he said was it all has to be paid by the time we come back here on july 14th. i dont know why she couldnt be asked to pay half, ESPECIALLY when its HER LIE that forced the judge to order him.
our mediator actually ended up being on his side...when they were working out visitation, GAL wanted him to have every Sat and the mediator helped him w that...she really listened to him and told us we dont have to exercise the tues if we cant and it was the GAL who ultimately pushed for that. i think she saw rite thru BM and felt bad for us and understands.
You are still minus your own lawyer right?
I really think you're being taken advantage of for not having representation. Who is going to tell you that they're wrong so they can make all kinds of demands of you.
I have never heard of a no payment plan option. You need to contact the family court and find out who to speak to. I know it's a pain, but they have to deal with people who can't afford these fees all the time. Someone's not being upfront with you.
“I never gave away anything without wishing I had kept it; nor kept it without wishing I had given it away.” ~Louise Brooks
whoops...posted twice bc the
whoops...posted twice bc the connection here stinks
im leaning towards thinking youre rite zen
i think the whole thing sucks and we got screwed over bc we didnt have a lawyer. i asked the mediator about it and she said talk to the GAL bc hes very reasonable...so i did and thats the answer we got. i said we cant afford to pay it...he said "u cant afford not to" thanks.
thanks cruella
im starting to think im crazy or something...its not that he doesnt want to see her, its just that we cannot continue to live w BM and all of her bs and its better for everyone if we wouldnt rite now. its only a matter of time b4 she starts up again...she did it in court in front of everyone, her attitude behind the scenes wont change. and we shouldnt have to live like that. and then making him take her during the wk when he CANT bc of work??? im so frustrated.
This is all too familiar to me
...not that I've been through it personally, but I had a very good friend commit suicide this past January because the BM of his son did exactly what you guys are going through...BM wouldn't let his GF pick up his son at after-school care even though it made life easier...she would actually come to the after-school care just to make sure that my friend wasn't picking up the little boy. Who the f@uck has time for crap like that? Get a life! BM and her being such a control freak just made it crazy difficult for everyone involved. And now this little boy will grow up without his dad, who he absolutely adored...
Now this BM won't let her son's relatives from his dad's side of the family see him. There was to be a fund set up for this boy's benefit and because she couldn't get any of the $$ for herself (or for her lottery scratch tickets and cigarettes every Friday) she wouldn't give out her sons Social Security number to the bank for the account! How totally selfish is that?
There is something VERY wrong with the court systems. Pay attention to any signs from your BF that this type of situation is making him depressed; the consequences can be devastating as you can see especially when you are dealing with nutjob BM's.
I've never, ever heard that a GAL's evaluation is an expense for the bio parents to pay. In MASS, as far as I know, it's not an expense to worry about. Weird.
I am completely sympathetic and understand your frustrations. Keep your chin up.
MJ24
i am so sorry about yr friend
i can believe it though...we do go thru a bit of that over here but i think our future together pulls him through. i didnt know, had a funny feeling but couldnt imagine, that we would have to pay for the GAL either. we cant afford it, and it wasnt even split although it was HER LIES that forced the judge to order one.
Im so sorry for you. Im
Im so sorry for you. Im really hoping that court goes good for my DH today. These BM will stop at nothing to be complete bitches and the people that suffer are their kids and everyone around them, why do they feel that they are so great that they get to try and ruin our lives? If it was our DH's pulling this crap they would be in freakin jail!Just keep your head high... she will get whats coming to her. Im still waiting and its been going on 4 years for us.
"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
thank u for your comments
it really does help knowing that people here understand. i know i dont have it as bad as alot of people on here have, but its bad enough and its really hard. just exhausting and its taking a toll on both of us. i cant believe wmoen are like this and do this to their own kids just bc they have issues. my fiance is a great father, esp given the circumstances w BM and even having the kid in the first place. hes just trying to be responsible and do whats best for his kid. why does that have to come at a price of his own sanity and our life??
all nite tues i cried, couldnt sleep, was up all nite thinking. i had to call off work yest bc i was so exhausted from being up all nite w my mind racing. it just seems like now we are open to even MORE contact from her when we needed less, and less protection when we needed more.