The difference between "Mom" and "your mom"
Is it very petty of me to get irritated when DH refers to the Ex as "Mom" in his conversations with his children - as opposed to "your mom"?
It might seem like a small difference, but I think it's a pretty significant one. To me, him referring to her as "Mom" implies that they are still a couple.
That's me being sensitive, right?
To provide some context, we've been trying to conceive in the almost-three years that we've been married, and:
(1) Two failed IVF cycles later, it's beginning to look like - at age 43 - I'll never have my own children;
(2) I'm really depressed that his Ex will always be mother of his children and I probably will never have that honour;
(3) His adult kids are extremely rude and disrespectful to me.
Should I raise this with him or will it just diminish me in his eyes?
Why would standing up for
Why would standing up for yourself diminish you in his eyes? If he is the one being so insensitive to you by calling his ex 'mom' when he knows how much having a child of your own means to you I think you are not that high up in his estimation to start with.
You need to restore your self-esteem and your self respect right now!
You do not deserve to be spoken to so rudely by your skids and he needs to start putting you first. It is that simple. How you go about telling him of your feelings is up to you, but I sense you feel unable to raise it because you are afraid how he will react.It sounds to me as if you have already been ground down. Pick yourself up girl and stay around here- you will get some very good advice on how to deal with this horrible situation that is not of your making.
Thanks for your affirmation,
Thanks for your affirmation, fairyo!
He's actually a wonderful husband - very sensitive to my feelings, believe it or not. And he makes me feel secure. THAT is why I don't really want to be petty coz he is doing a great job protecting me.
I just wondered if my distinction between "Mom" and "your mom" was a valid one, or whether I really shouldn't be affected by it. It sounds as though you agree with my distinction!
It sounds strange to me
It sounds strange to me anyway. I say "mom" or "dad" when discussing my mom or dad with my siblings. Even when still married to ex I said "your dad". He is their dad, not mine.
HA! Thank you. My sentiments
HA! Thank you. My sentiments exactly!
I don’t think you’re being
I don’t think you’re being petty at all. If he’s as you described, he most likely doesn’t realize he’s doing that. It took a few years for me to be comfortable and to easily say “your dad” to my kids without saying it in the more familiar way to which I had been accustomed. I think the bigger issue, aside from your desire to be a biological mother, is the way his adult skids treat you. It probably only magnifies for you the way he refers to BM in conversation. You may never be the mother of his biological child but it sure sounds like you’re the queen of his heart!
Maybe you need to practice some disengagement in regards to the skids. I’m working on this myself. My very wise counselor has drilled into me that the way I think leads to the way I feel and then how I react. So when those thoughts pop into your head, stop and examine whether or not they are rational and helpful. Obviously their rude behavior is going to make you feel awful so don’t take any ownership of that - leave it all on them where it belongs. Instead, train yourself to think something like “how awful for them that they have grown into such rude adults.” Then remember that their behavior isn’t a reflection on you at all. It’s strictly a mirror into their souls. If you can keep them at a proper distance mentally, then you will feel so much better. I would even suggest some physical distance, as much as that’s possible, from the skids. And when they’re in your home, remember they are only visitors and try to maintain the proper perspective. You’re most important relationship is with your husband, not them.
On that note, I think you need to have a heart to heart with him. Maybe lead in with something like, “honey, I know this may sound petty, but I want you to know how I’m feeling about this.” Then just calmly tell him how you feel. He will probably have even more respect for you. Shoot, even just venting about it here to people who completely understand where you’re coming from will hopefully make you feel better!
What a very helpful answer,
What a very helpful answer, Starlightwest!
I'm glad you don't think it's petty of me to make that demarcation between "Mom" and "your mom" - and I think I will definitely sit him down and explain why I feel the way I do about the way he references the BM. He's very mindful of my feelings so I'm not worried about how he'll take it. I'm more concerned about what I am responsible for - ie. my own behaviour.
With regard to the skids: the reason I didn't delve too much into the way they treat me is precisely because I decided to disengage a while ago. Initially, I used to get very bothered by their disrespectful ways and allowed it to come between DH and myself. Until I realised that when we fight over their behaviour, we are doing exactly what the skids want - ie. diminish our happiness together as a couple. So, these days, I point out their offensiveness, make sure DH acknowledges their negativity and my hurt feelings, then I check it at the door. I absolutely *refuse* to let the skids come between DH and me!
And you're absolutely right: Their behaviour is a reflection of their character - or lack thereof. As long as I behave cordially and don't sink to their level, I know that their behaviour has got nothing to do with me. If I don't let them affect me, they have no power over me
And now your response is
And now your response is helping me! I’m working on the disengagement now. I made the mistake of trying too hard in the early months of our relationship even though DH warned me against it due to him knowing the personality of DD. But like an idiot I tried anyway. It has only created an uncomfortable divide between DH and me and is the only thing we quarrel about. I’m learning to leave their issues precisely where they belong - with them. And trying not to let SD and her husband’s behavior when they’re here have any effect on me. I may hate being around it, but it’s their problem. I’m planning to contact a couple of contractors next week about creating my own space in the house. I think that’s of paramount importance right now. Before their next visit! Before I spend a dime, DH must agree that it will be made clear that this is my space and they are not to enter without an invitation.
I need to not sink to their level either. Thank you for your help. I do hope this is resolved for you in a way that is tolerable for you. Lots of good advice and opinions in this thread!
Glad my perspective helped.
Glad my perspective helped.
I tried too hard early on too. And when I didn't get a positive response - indeed, they demonised me and emailed the whole extended family about how I was manipulative, selfish and incapable of thinking of anyone but myself - I got really upset. After all, the families of all my previous boyfriends adored me and wanted me to marry their sons! What was wrong with these people!!!
And so I allowed them to affect me and my relationship with DH. It took a while before I decided, "You know what? You guys are the ones screwed up by the divorce and I'm not going to let your dysfunction become my dysfunction." I'm going to live the best life with DH and that's the best "revenge" I'll ever have for your awful treatment of me.
Starlightwest: Don't give them power over you! Don't let them win!
I'm going to be a dissenter
I'm going to be a dissenter here... I don't have an issue with DH referring to BM as Mom in conversations with his kids. Heck, even I refer to her as Mom sometimes. And I know I refer to DD's dad as Dad and Daddy. You need to take that up with Daddy is something I say regularly.
I guess I just think of it as their name to the kids.
If I were in your shoes, if I were to try to address anything, it would be the rude and disrespectful skids, not how DH refers to their mother in conversations with them. I think that given your situation, it's easier to be upset about something small and manageable than about a bigger issue over which you have absolutely no ability to exert control.
I am with you
I am with you
Thanks for sharing your point
Thanks for sharing your point of view.
I ended up talking to him about an article I read about how he needs to put them in their place when they disrespect me. It was a good conversation. I then ended off with a request for him to call the BM "your mom" instead of "Mom". I explained that the difference to me was that the "Mom" reference made it seem like they were all still one family unit when it was no longer the case. Also, that I was hurt by it coz I was trying unsuccessfully to be mother of his child. I think my explanation resonated with him and he says he will try his best to switch to "your mom" from now on.
So, all in, it was a good outcome
My DH says “your Mom” to
My DH says “your Mom” to skid, in reference to BM. I’ve never heard him say “Mom”.
I don’t think you’re being petty at all. It would rub me the wrong way too.
It's a relief to know that
It's a relief to know that someone else feels the way I do. Thank you!
The BM will always be 'Mom'
The BM will always be 'Mom' regardless if when talking directly to his child he refers to BM as "Mom" or as "your mom".
It's her 'name'. Just as when he talks to directly to his children and refers to you. You calls you "Tigerlily" . Not 'go ask your SM' , not 'go ask my Tigerlily', but simply your name. Most children whether young or adults call their mother by her first name. But , for example, if BM's name was Cindy, it would still be Dad referring to 'Cindy' and not 'your Cindy'.
This conversation has been brought up here more than once. Not sure you could go back now and read them with any of the threads making sense (due to so many of the threads being incomplete after member purging). I vaguely remember one where the topic was not the DH using Mom vs your mom, but the child when speaking would say "Mom" instead of "my mom"
But the bottomline is it does bother you , so yes, discuss with your DH that it does and tell him exactly why it bothers you. Sure, he might still occasionally slip and 'Mom' will fall out instead of 'your mom' but I think he'll make a genuine effort to be sensitive to your feelings on this. Habits take time to break. And this is what he's doing. Falling into the same pattern of speech when talking to his children that he has used since they were born and very little. While I doubt your Dh looks at this as acting as if Mom and Dad are still a couple merely do to what the BM is referred to as (Mom vs your mom), if it bothers you it is important enough for you to bring the subject up to him.
My guess is the guy has never really thought about it before, but once you speak to him about your feelings he'll truly make an effort to use 'your mom'.
You're absolutely right. He
You're absolutely right. He never thought before of how my feelings could be hurt because I'm trying so hard to be mother of his child.
We had a great conversation last night about creating boundaries for his kids so they stop disrespecting me and I ended the conversation telling him that the "Mom' reference upsets me. He says he will now make an effort to break that habit for my sake, and he didn't find the request to be petty at all.
I'm very pleased
My SD57 says she hates her
My SD57 says she hates her Mom and never wants to be around her.
Well she calls her "Mom" when talking to DH or anyone else and refers to me as "SM' when talking to anyone in my presence.
My DH always refers to his Ex as "your mom", when visiting with his grown kids; he refers to me by "Sammigirl". I hear the same ole', same ole' past stories of their wonderful life in one sentence and how horrible BM is in another sentence. They are all a bunch of narcissist and love drama.
I have learned to ignore it. I did tell DH I didn't want to hear any of it again, that I had heard enough of the same ole' stories.
I now hardly hear it at all; but they just can't help themselves to gossip about BM and yes, she is referred to as "Mom". It's the least irritation from my SD57, after 38 years.
Ugh.....
They can call her "Mom" all
They can call her "Mom" all they like. But it's great that your DH refers to her as "your mom".
Eugh. I'm so sorry to hear they are narcissists and love drama. That must be really unbearable. I'm glad you've learnt to ignore it. Don't let them affect you!
This reminds me that Chef,
This reminds me that Chef, after he was looooonnnng divorced from the Girhippo, called her "his wife."
"My wife and I went to Las Vegas and blah blah blah" This was in conversation to other people with me present.
Took him about a decade to stop doing that.
I'm not officially his wife--we're not legally married--and I wouldn't marry due to his crushing CS burden.
OMG. That's really hurtful!
OMG. That's really hurtful! I'm glad for you that he's finally stopped doing that.
My DH is very good about referring to her as "the Ex". He has slipped up once or twice - very very rarely - and I have been quick to point out "your EX WIFE" - and he would laugh and apologise.
Habits. EUGH!
Your sensitivity is
Your sensitivity is justified. Have a talk with DH. Do not say you are being petty. By doing so you diminish your self-worth, imply there is something wrong with you, and take blame for his lack of sensitivity. Explain that under the circumstances, anyone would be sensitive when he refers to his ex as 'Mom' instead of 'your Mom'. Just as you do not refer to your ex as "My Husband".
but she IS their mom. An ex
but she IS their mom. An ex husband is just that, an ex. Their mom is their mom...
"their mom" Yes she IS their
"their mom" Yes she IS their mom - she's not DH's mom. That's why, when your DH is speaking to the skids, he should refer to BM as "your Mom."
Thank you. It's really
Thank you. It's really helpful to know that others agree with my differentiating the two terms.
I spoke to him last night explaining what the difference was to me and how I was sensitive because of my own failed efforts to be mother of his child. He looked aghast realising that every time he has said it, it reminded me of my own infertility. He then promised he would try to break the habit.
I think it was the best outcome possible
Meh - I call Asshat "dad"
Meh - I call Asshat "dad" instead of "your dad." Not a big deal to me. And he IS their dad. And THEY call him dad.
As for Medusa, she is not referenced in our home
Medusa! LOLOLOLOLOL
Medusa! LOLOLOLOLOL
You need to speak to him
You need to speak to him about this for sure, if just because it bothers you. Couples should be able to talk about the hard things. Even if nothing changes, he could show understanding and help reassure you of your place in his life.
I don't think he's doing it to be rude but more just out of habit. Words can mean a lot but changing what we're use to saying can be really hard. I'm assuming he has spent years saying "mom". When he was with her it was "go speak to mom". It's naturally for that to change to "your mom" after the divorce but it's not easy.
In our home we have to make a conscious effort when the kids are around to call BM "your mom" or "their mom." It just feels wrong to say "her name" when referring to her around the kids. When they aren't around there are much less friendly terms we call her by.
It absolutely is a force of
It absolutely is a force of habit.
We spoke last night and he was pretty shocked that every time he said "Mom", I was reminded of my own infertility. When he realised that, he said he would make an effort to break the habit. Thankfully, he accepted that it made a difference to me and didn't shrug it off by saying I was being petty or insensitive.
I think it was a pretty good outcome
I'm down the middle - I
I'm down the middle - I understand why it bugs you. But I'm not sure you can expect him to understand it. It's rather peculiar to you and if he's not empathetic, he might see this as a minor thing you're making into a big deal.
I agree with another poster who suggested you address the rude skids and leave this alone. Fight the big battles. I think in time this might seem like a little thing compared to what might come if he doesn't deal with the rude skids.
Thanks for your
Thanks for your understanding.
We actually did have a talk last night - mainly based on an article I read about creating boundaries with the stepkids and enforcing them when I'm disrespected. It was a good conversation and I ended it by bringing this issue up. I explained that I was touchy about it because of our own till-now failed efforts at becoming a mom myself. He immediately got it. Going forward, he said he will do his best to change his habit.
So we addressed both the rude skids as well as how he referenced the BM. All in, it was a great outcome
I think that your sensitivity
I think that your sensitivity to one word versus two is directly related to the issue of your not being able to have children.
My gentle advice? Adopt. There are plenty of little bubbas in this world that need a loving mom and dad <3
As for the rest of it...you said you have a wonderful DH. Be happy, enjoy your wonderful DH, forget the skids and go get that bubba you want so much. Enjoy your family.
My gentle advice? Adopt.
My gentle advice? Adopt. There are plenty of little bubbas in this world that need a loving mom and dad <3
Adoption is awesome, I have to admit that step life has soured me to it though. Some things are genetic. The BM here is on disability for being crazy. All the females in her family had done inpatient stints for psychiatric issues. Her mom was in and out of the psych ward, her sister is heavily medicated, BM has done at least 2 inpatient stays in the psych hospital that I know of, did electroshock therapy and is now heavily medicated. The crazy is definitely inherited in that family.
Yikes. That's pretty scary!!!
Yikes. That's pretty scary!!!
Adoption sounds like a good
Adoption sounds like a good solution but do so with caution. My 1st husband and I adopted two older children with a WHOLE lot of issues - some inherited, some from their horrible experiences with their BM and multiple foster homes. Make sure you have a strong support system in place, and that all information is disclosed to you.
Yup. My two adopted cousins
Yup. My two adopted cousins had plenty of issues - one of them drove my aunt to suicide, for example.
We trying to look into egg donorship. We'll see
We're not so inclined towards
We're not so inclined towards adoption. My extended family had two adopted children and both cases turned out negatively. One cousin moved to the opposite end of the world and doesn't bother to keep in touch with my poor aunt and uncle. And the other cousin actually drove my aunt into depression, egged her on to commit suicide and she eventually jumped. O.O
I do intend to enjoy my marriage to DH. Infertility notwithstanding!
Sorry I can't help, all I can
Sorry I can't help, all I can think of is "Your Mom" jokes. I have been brainwashed by my teen boys!
But yes, he should say "Your Mom" and then you can insert or think: is so _________ ...... This could be a good way to insert some humor and diffuse the annoying situation. I've only heard DH refer to his ex as "Your Mother" when talking w/his sons. I'm sure if he said, "How is mother doing?" It'd raise my eyebrows a bit.
Hugs dear
HAHAHA "your mom" jokes!!! I
HAHAHA "your mom" jokes!!!
I talked to my DH about it and he promises to break the habit. Explaining that it hurt my feelings coz of my own infertility really resonated with him as we've been in the IVF struggle together.
So it's all good! Thank you
If this is all you have to
If this is all you have to ask questions about, count yourself VERY LUCKY!
Aww, I do know I'm lucky. LOL
Aww, I do know I'm lucky. LOL