More food after dinner
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When I was growing up we had dinner at the table and were expected to eat at dinner time. We didn't have to eat everything, but my parents wouldn't get food back out. Or offer any snacks after dinner. We were supposed to eat when it was out on the table. Tonight we went out to dinner, my SD7 didn't finish her dinner and as soon as we get home and walk in the door "I'm still so hungry". SO immediately responds to her "Oh well what do you want to eat?" And I'm thinking WHAT!? We just had dinner!!!! Not to mention it's bedtime as soon as we get home. So he gives her some of his leftovers he brought home cold.
Am I unreasonable to think that Dinner time means EAT AT DINNER TIME?! This is something that drives me nuts!
Not a hill to die on. If a
Not a hill to die on. If a kid is hungry, you feed her. Sometimes they hardly eat anything, and other times they are growing and eat more than an adult. My kids can eat nonstop some days (we homeschool). And they are healthy, athletic kids. I typically eat 5-6 times a day and they seem to do better this way as well. 3 meals a day is actually not ideal for most people.
I tend to agree with the fact
I tend to agree with the fact that if you make what they like, they should sit down and eat it.
Regarding food at home..my SD is usually pretty good about eating what's in front of her..however my SS is completely different. He's usually so busy on his computer that when we call him to eat..he'll either take it away from the table and eat at his computer (which I don't agree with) OR if we tell him to eat at the table with us..he'll take one bite of something and then leave it sit. Yeah..he's being belligerent because we're taking him away from his computer and won't allow him to bring his computer to the table.
It gets very frustrating with kids and developing good eating habits. Our kids absolutely love Chinese so we make a night of Chinese as a special treat when we have them. Since this is a special treat though..(the place they like is rather expensive), we ask them to choose things from the buffet that they like rather than just pizza and noodles. This has been a good challenge for them to try new things on the buffet and thus, they get rewarded with "a next time" along with not coming home hungry.
We do the same with a pizza night at one of our favorite restaurants. We go the night they have half price pizza..the kids get to order their own pizza's..bring home leftovers..and who doesn't love cold pizza??
It's tough with kids. We've gone the route with fast food for lunch (which turns out to be a nearly $30 bill for four of us..burgers..fries..and a soda..YIKES!!); two hours later they're hungry again so we've tried to stay away from that..feed them at home for lunch and then go out for a big supper somewhere we know they'll eat what's in front of them.
OP, you are not unreasonable.
OP, you are not unreasonable.
Some kids pull this crap to stall bedtime or to screw around during dinner time. My SS tried this crap a couple years ago because he didn't want to eat what was made. His options were saving dinner or wait till breakfast. He eats great at dinner now and if he is hungry later - before bedtime - it's carrot sticks, an apple, or some pretzels.
I am shocked at the comments.
I am shocked at the comments. It is wasteful to throw out dinner only to ask for something else. My stepson asks if he can be done after eating only half his dinner because he says he is full. We throw the dinner out and then 15 minutes later he wants a snack. Now we have a rule if he doesn't eat his dinner he doesn't get snacks.
Who is throwing out dinner?
Who is throwing out dinner? If they did throw out the child's dinner, that is stupid and not the issue at hand. Anyway, I would bet that it was some fried crap from the kids' menu that they got for free.
I am assuming child did not
I am assuming child did not eat at dinner when they were out to eat - IE ordered food & let waiter throw it out then came home "so hungry" like OP stated.
Why isn't there a "like"
Why isn't there a "like" button on this site?
This is exactly what I think.
This is exactly what I think. I do save plates at dinner and heat them back up if it's within a reasonable hour after dinner. I won't give into "I want something else". I won't get food back out right at bedtime or hand out "bedtime snacks" either.
This isn't an isolated situation in our home and to the other posters, I know it's not the worst problem some steps face here. Its just something that bugs me.
I feel like I can make a safe judgement when SD is with us that she had enough to eat for the day when she had breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, and dinner. If she was busy messing around at dinner and didn't finish then she needs to pay attention better and finish her meal. I doubt after her daily snacks and meals that she is going to STARVE TO DEATH if she doesn't get something extra after dinner is over.
I couldn't agree with this
I couldn't agree with this more.
SS7 thinks it's ok to leave virtually ALL his dinner and then eat sweets? I don't think so buddy. Eat your dinner or go hungry. Those are the rules. Pisses me off that parents allow kids to pick and choose when and what they can eat. No wonder the world as a whole is getting bigger and unhealthier. Seems proper meal times with conversations about your day are becoming defunct...
We've gone that route many
We've gone that route many times with my SS who doesn't want to pull himself away from his computer. My husband thinks it's okay for him to take his plate and get back to his computer if it's going to get him to eat, which I think is ridiculous yet...what say do I have?? At least he's eating, I guess.
Although I try to load the fridge with the halfway healthy stuff the kids like..sometimes the only way you can get them to eat something is to provide mac n cheese and burgers. When we have the kids we usually have a cookout night where they get all their faves yet my SS refuses to eat anything reheated...
And although there are plenty of OTHER choices for him in the fridge and freezer such as pretzels he can heat up..TV dinners..string cheese, Gogurts, Ramen noodles (yeah I know..real healthy)..he'll pull out the ice cream bucket..make himself a big ol' bowl of ice cream..and that's supper for him. In addition, he'll take out a box of Lucky Charms and eat the marshmallows out..and call THAT supper. I roll my eyes later on when he complains of a migraine but what can I do..I'm just the SM, and my hubby sees nothing wrong with it.
Ahh..teenagers..
Others say it's not a problem
Others say it's not a problem - I do. I think I understand where you're going with this. Kids like to stall for time before bedtime. And if they can get away with playing the "I'm hungry" or "I'm thirsty" game, it'll go on forever. I don't play that with SS11. We eat dinner. He KNOWS now that if he doesn't eat dinner then he's SOL the rest of the night. There is absolutely no need for additional snacks later on, unless we eat an earlier dinner than usual.
im with OP on this one. to me
im with OP on this one.
to me it falls into the same category is making special meals.
i make one dinner. SD can either take it or leave it. we dont make her a special order of boxed mac and cheese or whatever cram BM usually feeds her. i will say i take care ot make sure that there is somethign she will eat in the meal.
My SS was (no wait) My SS *IS
My SS was (no wait) My SS *IS STILL* like this. I don't mind spending $200 on dinner if the child eats which he doesn't. Then, within the hour of us having put the dishes away he asks for a "snack". This is why I refuse to buy snack foods anymore. Granola bars, chips, etc. Even juice I refuse to buy because he ends up snacking on those.
To make matters worse, my two bios have picked up the habit as well. In order to combat this, I break out the apples and oranges for them to eat. Thank goodness my bios love fruit. SS hates any kind of fruit in general.
The thing is that, if we make
The thing is that, if we make what they like..they should eat at the table. If they can't eat what's put in front of them at the table..they don't get to fill up on crap later on.
I no longer buy potato chips or junk food. Quit buying ice cream also as my SS wouldn't eat at the table but later on would make himself a huge bowl of ice cream. Either that or eat all the marshmallows out of the Lucky Charms (which I stopped buying also).
Instead I've bought things like baby carrots..yogurt, etc. Can't eat what's put in front of them at dinner...snack away on healthy stuff...OR warm up leftovers.
Funny how they opt for the leftovers before they'll gnaw on carrots and celery.
I don't think it's
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect your child to eat their dinner (or save it if they say they're not hungry at dinner time). But I also don't think it's enough to get your panties in a twist over, if her dad doesn't have that rule and he's willing to be the one taking care of it. If this is REALLY an issue for you, it's an issue with DH, not your SD - sounds like DH has different rules than you do. You two have either got to get on the same page or you've got to follow his lead, but if it doesn't bother him (and he's not making more work for you) then it really shouldn't bother you. I honestly don't get why it bugs you at all.
In my house you eat what is
In my house you eat what is served at the table. I am NOT a restaurant. My DD is a garbage disposal and will eat all of her food at every meal no matter what it is but my DS is a lot more picky. He's getting better because I've established rules. I give him a portion I deem as reasonable and if he makes a genuine effort to eat his meal and eats enough that he should reasonably be full and asks for something before bed I give him something (healthy - fruit, veggies, or leftover dinner) however if he hims and haws at his dinner picks around and doesn't eat it then that is it. He doesn't get anything else that evening and he can have a big breakfast!
I hate wasting food and I make sure that I cook a healthy dinner every night for them.
Although kids can be excited and distracted at restaurants. For instance DD (garbage disposal) doesn't eat well at restaurants because there is so much going on so she will eat the rest of her food when she gets home. If we came home and either of my kids asked for the rest of their food I think I wouldn't have an issue giving it to them. It's not like I'd have to make something or clean up dishes or go out of my way other than putting the take out container on the table and giving them a fork.
I have dinner issues with my YSS because I make dinner and he verbalizes how much he hates everything and he only likes pizza hut and he hates this and that. He gags at the table and makes a big scene. He's 11 he's old enough to know better. FDH has finally started putting an end to this because it's insulting to me that I try so hard and he is rude. He's instructed now to say "no thank you" and if he doesn't eat that is all he gets.
Good for you!! My 14 year
Good for you!! My 14 year old SS will open the fridge and say, "Ugh..jail food!!". Either that or he will wonder why we buy that generic crap (probably made by the same company that made his name brand stuff).
His mom only buys the name brand stuff and probably spends a fortune on groceries. Good for her I guess. One day I saved a box of brand name stuff and put the generic stuff in it. He didn't know the difference.
HA!!
We have the rule that any
We have the rule that any time the kids want healthy food they don't have to ask. I usually always have fruit, salad, yogurt granola bar. They can eat that stuff any time.... now I do get pissed if they put food on their plate they know they like but they get "in a mood" and don't want to eat it for some reason. Because then I it goes in the trash and they pull something else out.
But pulling out leftovers and having the kids finish what they didn't eat a at restaurant or earlier when everyone else was eating? I'm ok with that.
Uh... yeah! You CAN tell them
Uh... yeah! You CAN tell them they can't have anything even if you ARE sitting there eating. So I guess if you go to a place like Starbucks you get the kid a latte too? Ridiculous. I use that example because I've seen women in Starbucks on the way to school to drop off their kids and they stop to get them a latte just because they were getting one too.
Just because you are having a snack does not mean they are entitled to it too. In this case... if the kid did not eat their dinner and want something else later, I think they should have to eat that dinner that was presented to them just like some others have said.
Many kids who don't eat at dinner then complain they are hungry not too long after are just playing their parents because they didn't want the dinner that was provided. And some parents these days give in too easily to children. I mean... who is the adult here? My DH has even said "It's just easier to give in."
I agree with the apples and carrot sticks idea but I think it's ridiculous that a parent says they can't say no to their kid because they are doing it. Next thing will be cigarettes... "Here, Johnny... have a cigarette because I'm having one."
Poor examples. Let's stick on
Poor examples. Let's stick on topic. An adult knows what it feels like to be hungry. So when a child says she's hungry, we have what's called empathy and we would like the child to not feel hungry. It doesn't matter if she won't starve to death. It doesn't matter that you don't care how the child feels. If the child is hungry and there is no set rule that no one eats once dinner is served (regardless of how things were done decades ago in yours or anyone else's family) then there's nothing wrong with eating again soon after dinner. She did not finish her dinner. She ate some, we don't know how much was left, but op did not say that she wasted time, she wasn't hungry, she didn't eat ANY; she said she didn't finish it. Sometimes when I'm eating, I don't want to finish something because it's too much of the same thing or I need something else to go with it. So when my kids relate to me that they need something else, I understand and I allow them to put the food in the fridge and get the thing out that they want. Sometimes it's something salty, sometimes something cold, etc. I'm that way, so why would I force my kids to do one thing, while I do another? The one thing most sparents lack is empathy. I remember when I was one. This whole topic is about control and lack of empathy.
"What if a child CHOSE to eat
"What if a child CHOSE to eat half their dinner because they felt it wasn't all that appealing to their taste buds."
Well... so what if they did? Are you saying that you, as an adult, will choke down something you don't actually want to eat so that you feel justified eating something else later? THAT'S unhealthy eating habits. I'm not saying let the kid eat chocolate in place of dinner, but I don't think ANYONE is saying that.
I'll give you an example. We had pizza one night for dinner a couple months ago. My BS (4 years old) ate half a piece and then said he wasn't hungry. DH tried to tell him he had to eat MORE pizza if he wanted to eat anything else later. HELL WITH THAT. We discussed it and agreed that he did not have to eat more (ridiculously unhealthy) pizza, and if he wanted an apple he could have that instead.
I believe that "forcing" or coercing kids to eat (especially with the mindset that if they eat what YOU want them to eat then they get to eat more of what THEY want later) is setting up bad eating habits. Treats should be given *occasionally* (never to replace meals, but not as a condition of eating other things either). Healthy food should be offered as the standard and kids should be encouraged to know and respond accordingly when they're hungry and when they're not. If my kids aren't hungry at dinner time then they come sit at the table with everyone (because dinner is family time at our house). If they're hungry later they can either have leftovers from dinner or an apple. I'm not a short order cook, but I'm also not interested in making eating some sort of power struggle.
Edited to add:
"I am saying this from a BM perspective, I won't have empathy for my shithead bullshiting fussy BS7 when he tells me he's hungry for nutella before bed! I sit him at the table, plonk his reheated dinner in front of him and say "bon appétit!""
That's not *hunger*, that's a craving, and I completely agree with you there. If the kids are craving junk food I have no problem saying no. It still doesn't affect dinner. If they're actually *hungry*, then they'll eat apples or veggies or leftovers.
I've told my step kids that
I've told my step kids that if they get hungry later..their plate will be in the fridge for a "snack" later on.
But then comes that "reheated meat" thing again and is there any chance I could run him to.....
And no..not a chance I'm driving him to McDonald's (hello Dad..could YOU take me then??)..while my hubby caves and I sit here thinking.."This is NOT what I signed up for!!"
No... not poor examples. It
No... not poor examples. It is the SAME concept. And clearly you did not understand my point.
And I do not lack empathy at all as a sparent. I feel horrible that my SD8 has a crappy mother. This is not about "control" or "lack of empathy." It's like others said... it is about establishing good eating habits.
You said... "So when my kids relate to me that they need something else, I understand and allow them to put the food in the fridge and get out the thing that they want." Hmmmmmmm... Hey, the lollipop company just called and they want you to pose as the world's largest sucker. But don't take that personally. A lot of kids are out their training their parents instead of the other way around.
Once again... I HAVE NO PROBLEM with my SD being hungry 2-3 hours after dinner if she ate her dinner. I would be happy to provide a healthy snack for her. The only additional point that I and others were trying to make is that some kids don't want their healthy dinner because they know they can just con mom and dad out of something else later.
And YES, I DO choke down food that I don't want all the time! I don't particularly like green beans but they are good for me and I need to eat them. Just don't think it's cruel to make kids eat things they don't like. I didn't like broccoli or peas as a kid, but love them now. Maybe... just maybe, I acquired a taste for these veggies because my parents made me eat them.
"You said... "So when my kids
"You said... "So when my kids relate to me that they need something else, I understand and allow them to put the food in the fridge and get out the thing that they want." Hmmmmmmm... Hey, the lollipop company just called and they want you to pose as the world's largest sucker. But don't take that personally. A lot of kids are out their training their parents instead of the other way around."
Uh... I didn't say that. Did you mean to reply to someone else?
"And YES, I DO choke down food that I don't want all the time! "
You missed the second half of that, sweetie. Do you choke down food that you don't want SO YOU'LL FEEL JUSTIFIED eating something later? I still say that's unhealthy - eating MORE isn't really the answer. Eating a balanced diet doesn't have anything to do with whether you're hungry at a particular time of day. Forcing yourself to eat a pork chop you don't want because then you can have cookies later isn't a healthy mindset, in my opinion. Eat it or don't, and if you're hungry later have some fruit (or the pork chop).
I wasn't responding to you on
I wasn't responding to you on that first part.
Second... don't call me "sweetie." And, no, I didn't miss the second half of that. I was just once again impressing on the bloggers that sometimes we need to eat things that we don't necessarily like because they are healthy. Kids are horrible about this. The difference is that when I was a kid, my parents made me eat my veggies. Seems like parents nowadays think it's cruel to make a kid eat something they don't like. Again... we are talking about kids who don't want to eat their healthy dinner and then complain that they are hungry later.
This is why I get frustrated about this site and why I only get on it once in a blue moon. Five years ago, this site was full of support. Now it's just full of mean people and I'm saying that just in general... not to one person. Or maybe I should just put it this way... this site is full of people who constantly misunderstand. And I'm not convinced that there aren't people on here who are really sparents... just people causing trouble.
'Second... don't call me
'Second... don't call me "sweetie."'
I hate when women do that. It's such a played out way of trying to down another woman. Let it go. Grow some balls & call her a bitch, stop with this "sweetie" "honey" shit. LOL
Sure thing. Sweetie.
Sure thing. Sweetie.
I don't think kids should
I don't think kids should have to eat things they don't like either.
However..I think they should try certain things and if they don't like them..that's ok. Most of the time though..they find out they're not so bad.
If my SD eats half the food on her plate and says she's full..that's fine with me. Suppertime is at 5:30 so if she finishes by 6, there really isn't much time for her to even think about being hungry while we work together on her homework, chat about her day, etc. By nine she's in bed and the kitchen is closed.
sue, i think the difference
sue, i think the difference here is that this wasnt a pre-bedtime snack. this kid complained abotu being hungry the second they returned home from dinner. doesnt sound like they too 2-3 hours to return home after dinner.
ohhhhhhh the humanity!
ohhhhhhh the humanity! SENDING A KID TO BED HUNGRY?
It doesn't matter if she had a chance to eat at a RESTURANT - which lots of children DONT'. It doesn't matter that she didn't eat and didn't ask to bring her food home. It doesn't matter that she is 'magically' hungry right before bedtime.
OP is mean for BEING ANNOYED even though she didn't say anything.
ARE WE FRIGGIN SERIOUS PEOPLE? You eat dinner & that's all there is to it in my house. Call CPS if ya want. I HIGHLY doubt that the problem with financially able parents in America is NOT feeding their kids. Fat as kids these days are, & we wonder why?
In YOUR house. Not everyone
In YOUR house. Not everyone does the same as what you do in your house. BTW, we eat all day and eat right up until bed time and my kids are super skinny.
Yes, tell me that I'm just
Yes, tell me that I'm just stating about MY house (which I already said, in my house) & then tell me about YOUR house. Because YOUR house more accurately gives an example of OP's than mine. You know that because.... well because OP felt 100% different than you feel so that means she has a house like yours but is just rude?
I relate to OP being annoyed. You don't. Insulting OP is silly. Other homes are different. Lots of homes are like OP's where you don't graze like cattle. Some people eat 5/6 meals a day. Neither is right or wrong, but to insult OP for not wanting the kid inhaling daddy's leftover dinner (which is not a snack obviously) at bedtime is not insane, or mean. It is her venting on a venting site.
Oh YES! I've commented a
Oh YES! I've commented a couple of times to DH about how his three boys are always sick. And I mean ALWAYS. They catch every bug going around, and at least one of them is out of school at least a day or two every week from some illness or other.
Mine, though? They almost never get sick (maybe one or two slight colds every year, if that), even after being around the sickly stepkids every other week.
It may just be a difference in their immune systems, or it could be that my kids have a MUCH better diet than my stepsons.
Either way, there's a huge difference between my kids and the skids as far as their health goes.
SD has a lot of tummy
SD has a lot of tummy problems when she is at BM's. She never has any when she's here. We don't eat the best diet ever, but I cook daily. BM stuffs SD7 with mcdonalds all the time. Of course her tummy hurts!
My SS is addicted to junk
My SS is addicted to junk food too as most kids his age and since all he eats at home is Ramen noodles nuked in the microwave. That and Mac n cheese. This is at home.
When he has stayed with me (SM) and his dad..he drinks can after can of Diet Mt. Dew...eats all the marshmallows out of the Lucky Charms (I've posted this part before)..wants junk food constantly and won't eat what's on the table..
Thus he suffers from some pretty bad migraines..
Ya think??
My hubby doesn't get it. He blames it more on growing pains..
Yep honey..you bet.
Instead I call it bad parenting on both his and his ex..
This is an issue that irks
This is an issue that irks me, too. My stepsons (ages 9, 8, and 7) ALWAYS have to have 1-2 snacks after dinner. We normally eat around 7:00, and bedtime is 8:30, but for some reason they're always starving to death no later than 8:00.
I can see it for what it (usually) is: It's either (1) they didn't like what we had for dinner, and therefore didn't eat much; or (2) they're looking for an excuse to delay bedtime.
Either way, that doesn't fly with my children. I raise mine the way I was raised, which is similar to what OP said. You eat your dinner, or don't. I don't care either way, but don't come to me shortly after we finish eating, begging for something to eat. If I do anything at all, I'm just going to reheat the plate of stuff that you didn't eat (and that I covered and put in the refrigerator), or I'll remind you (as I did at dinner) that it's a long time until breakfast, and you'll just have to wait.
My DH's sons already are starting to develop a weight problem. Not bad, but it's noticeable. They snack nonstop at BM's house and eat at McDonald's almost every night that they're with her, and they're putting on weight at a disturbing rate. I've mentioned to DH a couple of times that I don't think it's a good idea for them to get used to snacking right before bed, because it's a habit that can be problematic the older they get. You really do have to pick your battles, though, and I've decided not to get too involved in this issue with my stepsons. If they get fat, that's not my problem.
I still don't allow my boys to snack at night. If they didn't finish their dinner, and if they're not two seconds away from going to bed, I'll offer to reheat their plate. (They always refuse that.) If they did finish dinner, I'll offer them a piece of wheat bread. If they're hungry, they'll eat it. If not, they won't. That's what my mom did when I was a kid, and now I understand why.
BM gives SD7 a bedtime snack
BM gives SD7 a bedtime snack every night. Usually something full of sugar & crap, like gummy bears or w/e. When SD7 is in trouble, she takes the snack away. Because you know, you punish kids by taking away food -sigh-
She's 7, a little tall for her age but not much, & over 80 lbs. Every summer she's with us she loses weight - not because we starve her (SD7 is a good eater she always eats all of her dinner & if she asks for seconds she is more than welcome to them) but because we don't let her snack constantly.
My stepsons' BM is
My stepsons' BM is overweight, and she's raising them to have the same unhealthy eating habits that she has. DH is a bit of a health nut. Not over the top, but definitely more concerned about it than BM is.
It really bugs DH that BM feeds them so much junk, but there's not a whole lot he can do about it. I do wish he'd put a stop to the constant night-time snacking, though. I don't know why he can't see that it's not helping the situation.
I feel bad not letting my bio kids snack when their stepbrothers are doing it off and on until bedtime, but I don't want them to grow up to be fatasses and unhealthy eaters. It's bad enough that my three stepsons are headed that way, just as fast as they can.
We let the skids eat
We let the skids eat throughout the day and not at pre-designated meal times. For years, as adults, DH and I have tried to be healthier by eating small meals throughout the day.
Skids do not get to eat whatever they want, whenever they want it. They have to eat their meals, but not all in one sitting if they're not hungry. They are not allowed to have anything to eat one hour prior to bedtime. They do still have to sit at the dinner table with us as a family. We don't buy junk food, so that's hardly ever an issue in our home.
What value is there in forcing a kid to stuff himself? Or to finish everything in one sitting? Or to not allow them to eat when they feel hungry? I just think it sets them up for problems as adults.
If DD's are hungry after
If DD's are hungry after dinner snacking depends if they ate a good portion of their meal. If they were little Hoovers and practically devoured the table then yes they may have things like carrots,apples, whole grain toast with nut butter, etc.. If they had two bites and announced they are full we ask one question- when is your next meal? they answer breakfast and no snacks. They are free to clear their spots after that but usually they eat at least a few more bites first.
Like I mentioned earlier in
Like I mentioned earlier in reply to Echo's comment , I'm ok with saving food and heating back up if the request is reasonable within say an hour after dinner. But in my original post I said we got home AT bedtime (yes maybe our time management wasn't great, but we ate a little later than normal for a special occasion, but we're home at 8:15pm). SD was told at dinner by me and DH , "Make sure you eat now because when we get home we will have to go straight to bed". So I was irritated that he gave her his leftover pile of French Fries when we got home. It would have been just as irritating if it were carrots or something because she had already been told earlier to finish her dinner at the dinner table. She was messing around and talking all through dinner with 2 other kids that were with us at dinner (both of them managed to finish their food). Some people on here seem to think that these kids are neglected or something and STARVING if they don't get EXTRAS/WANTS not NEEDS.
Also I have told SD and will tell my own bios someday "I'm an adult, that's why I get to do XYZ". In regards to the comment "I'm not going to do XYZ in front of DD and expect her not to be able to do the same." When you can buy it yourself and live under your own roof, then feel free to get what you want.
"Also I have told SD and will
"Also I have told SD and will tell my own bios someday "I'm an adult, that's why I get to do XYZ". In regards to the comment "I'm not going to do XYZ in front of DD and expect her not to be able to do the same." When you can buy it yourself and live under your own roof, then feel free to get what you want."
I agree with all of that. That's like saying "I can't tell my kid they have to go to bed if I get to stay up."
Damn right I would be mad if
Damn right I would be mad if I paid for a dinner out that SS8 didn't really eat and then came home and said he was soooo hungry! That's money AND food wasted. And I'm not a monster. When we eat at home we try to aim for things that SS8 and BS15 like. And SS8 always tries to pull something because he is used to fast food that is consumed with your fingers at BM's house. We have literally had to teach him how to use utensils and still have to remind him to not eat with his fingers but with his fork. And if he balks at what is served, well tough. Do NOT ask for a snack in a hour. It won't be happening.
I never saw the point of
I never saw the point of making food an issue. I rarely finish what I order out (portions are too big! /but sometimes it sound better than it is. So it comes home - I may eat the rest that night, the next day, or not at all.) Even when it's something I cook myself, I may or may not fancy it when we actually sit down. So I'll get something else for myself later. I let the kids do the same - only rule has been to clean up after yourself. My kitchen is never closed.
My ex, on the other hand - their kitchen closed after dinner. For the kids. Even if they ate dinner, wanted fruit, whatever. Dinner & done. The adults were free to nosh on anything. Which always seemed a bit whacked to me. But, not my house, not my rules. The kids adjusted.
Whichever way worked best? No clue. But both kids are good/healthy eaters as young adults, and excellent cooks, both willing to try new things.
As for whether the kid is playing the adult to either get food they like more or delay bedtime? All depends on the kid. My youngest was always ravenous (to be fair, though, also an athlete). She would eat more than my elder and I together, and be ready for more - of anything - shortly after. I used to send her to school with full meals to eat in class (small HS which allowed eating during lectures). As in, each class. And in lunch. A typical day? Two breakfast sandwiches for the bus, a thermos of soup or pasta (sometimes both, like in winter), several sandwiches, a chef-type salad, leftovers from the night before.Plus some fruit, veggie sticks, cheese sticks. Yogurt. She also always had granola (that she made herself) in her locker. So if she told me at bedtime that she was hungry? It didn't surprise me, and I didn't tell her no. At 5'5", she was 128 lbs of pure muscle. (LOL I can understand why Dad/SMom closed their kitchen! But the child really was hungry!)
My other one? Was fine with a bagel and some fruit during the day, a snack when he came home (whatever he could forage), then dinner. He rarely said he was hungry otherwise. But the rare times he did? Also didn't surprise me.
I understand this. I've
I understand this. I've always made my kids eat all their dinner, at the table, and no dessert if there's any trouble. I also don't cater to children's demands about what to eat. I make dinner...everyone eats that dinner. I don't make special meals or let kids waste food only to say they are hungry 20 minutes later. That pisses me off to no end. My kids are conditioned with all this, and have been since day one. My SD5 has def not been. She likes to use the excuse that her food is too hot so she can wander away from the table. FH lets her do this and then when she finally decides to eat, its cold and she won't eat it. And its not like I don't take the kids input when it comes to dinner...I always ask what everyone wants and try to please the majority. Sometimes I don't do this when I think everyone needs something healthier. There are times when I do make what SD5 wants, and then when its there in front of her, all of a sudden she hates it and won't eat it. I do, what OP does...if you don't eat it, it will be re-heated for you when you are hungry. I don't waste food...and I def won't waste food on spoiled, entiled, inconsiderate brats. Esp when I made said brat what she wanted.
Had to add that if the kid ate all or most of their dinner, but it was a battle to get them to do so, dessert/extra snacks still go out the window. I know, I'm so very cruel. But in my house, kids don't argue with the adults(at least my kids).