cant stand step daughter & husbands lack of parenting:dont want divorce
please help me, i cant stand my step daughter or baby mama or the way my husband deals with the situation (or lack there of)
let me start by giving you a little background info: husband and i have been married for 3 years, together for 6. we met when his daughter was only 3 years old....him and baby mama were never married, they had a very disfunctional relationship, mainly just partied together, then when he tried breaking up with her she "magically" got pregnant while on "birth controll" (ya right shes a skeezy white trash bitch that uses babies to keep guys and get income) anyway baby mama sucks and is a piece of shit parent, her daughter (my step daughter) still poops her pants, does nothing shes told, throws huge seizure like fits that last up to 5 hours, is very rough with my 1 year old, cant do anything on her own, acts like a baby all the time, thinks its cute to be stupid and not think on her own, flirts with her DADDY, puts her naked butt in the air and wags it like a dog wags its tail in her dads face, talka baby talk, "forgets" everything shes told, and the list goes on and on for days!
my husband doesnt punish her, he only talks to her. he has been doing this for years!!! ex: she pooped her pants friday night and lied about it when he asked (weve tried everything when it comes to that issue, now she is supposed to clean it up and throw away her panties) so he has a "talk" with her and says not to lie to him about it....well guess what?!? the very next night she does the same thing again! (not at all shocked) so when i ask him what hes going to do about it he says "talk to her" i said youve already done that, and its not working! so as usual it turns into him getting pissy and i dropping it. were to the point that we dont even talk about this cuz its always a fight.
i dont know what to do with any of it! example of baby mama: shes out of town and tells him to keep her overnight again tonight, which means ill be alone with her while hes at work, so he asks me if thats ok. i said if she picks her up at 9am thats fine cuz im not going to put up with a whole day of her bullshit lies, talking back, not listening or doing what shes told. so that doesnt work for baby mama and she says 11am, so what does he do? puts his tail between his legs and says ok! this is how she works, she controlls him and the schedule, and he lets her! it drives me crazy! grow some balls dude! not only will he not stand up to babies mama ever, but he lets his 9 year old daughter get away with everything! but when it comes to our 1 year old he gets all over her about everything!
what should i do? i cant stand my step daughter, cant stand how my husband lets baby mama & daughter walk all over him, and he does everything he can to controll me and our 1 year old!
i am to the point that i just want to be gone when ever he has her, but then were not a family of 4 were 2 families of 2. plus then step daughter wins cuz she gets daddy all to herself! but i cant keep doing this cuz its tearing my marriage apart! i dont want this 9 year old little girl and skeezy mother to tear us apart/win!
please help, what should i do? its so bad we dont go anywhere or do anything when we have her cuz no one has fun when shes around! its all about her all the time, bossing people around, asking everyone to be her little personal slave, throws fits in front of anyone, acts like a little baby all the time. my husband is embarassed yet does nothing about it....he tells me to back off, but i cant sit back and watch this little girl run his life!
i can go on and on, i feel like i barely scratched the surface...please help me!!!
Wow...the first part of your
Wow...the first part of your post made me look twice! I thought you were talking about my situation - all the way up to the pooping! :sick:
I'm with Foxie...if it's attention she's looking for, she'll get it when you tell her to wash out her panties!
Thanks fris! (friends) But
Thanks fris! (friends)
But We've tried that, she washed them in the bathroom, but I put an end to it when poop chunks were getting all over the bathroom counter brushes! Yuk!
Omg! I've Said that so many
Omg! I've Said that so many times! He's not doing her any favors having the same calm talks over and over! They are not helping her at all, she has them memorized! If he doesn't start to discipline her she isn't going to learn or change! Her actions have isolated her from friends, family, gatherings, vacations....
We got into as huge fight last night over this shit again! he never actually listens or consider what I say. He gets very defensive
Is it really your SD whom you
Is it really your SD whom you can't stand, or the way she's being raised? Children are products of how they're parented. If their parents are doing a crappy job of raising them, its undoubtedly going to show. Is that the child's fault, or the parents'? Her parents are the ones who are supposed to be teaching her stuff like how to use the bathroom properly, how to act around others (i.e. it's not ok to flirt with daddy or be mean to your daughter) and how to control her emotions. They apparently aren't doing this at all. What they are doing (even if it's unintentional) is creating a tense environment for her to be in (kids can pick up on how we really feel about them no matter how we "act") and setting her up for failure as a teen and adult, because these behaviors will make her the laughing stock of her friends and acquaintances.
There are a few things you can do and should encourage DH to do. If SDs medical, educational and personal needs aren't being met by BM, call CPS on BM. They are obligated to look into every claim they receive. Have DH get a court order/parenting plan stating very clearly when he gets SD. Also have the order/plan carve out times when he can call SD a couple of times throughout the week when she's at BMs. Ask DH to get SD into counseling. If he agrees but BM doesn't, get it mandated in the court order. It sounds like she (SD) needs it desperately.
At 9, she knows how to flirt. That's scary. She's also pooping in her pants. Does BM subject her to questionable people? Google "signs of sexual abuse" in children. Even if she wasn't sexually abused, it's worth knowing the signs and symptoms.
Document everything BM does that could be used to help DH in court. Keep all communication with her confined to text and email so you can print it off and keep it for future use. Only answer her calls in emergencies.
Your're right, about her
Your're right, about her being a product of her parenting. that is a big reason she acts the way she does, but i go crazy cuz shes 9 almost 10! she knows right from wrong, she keeps choosing to act like this! thats what hubby and i fight about most, he says its not her fault cuz this is how shw is parented and i say bullshit! she keeps choosing her actions, and will even tell us that!
as far as cps goes they've been involved...baby mama tied sd hands behind her back with a rope and punched her over and over then locked her in her room for 6 hours as punishment for getting suspended from school for the 3rd time in 1st grade for hitting kids. we had to follow all cps' rules and the monday took sd in for interview, they sent her back to school for her mom to pick her up! makes no sense to me, we did everything they said to do (hospital, police report etc etc) and weve followed up and still nothing! maybe a bad cps agent? does anyone know any good cps agents in WA we could call? can we make them do an investigation on her?
the only hope sd has is if she lived with us full time, and she begs her skeeze bag mother and she always says no! any advice?
Also for years I've been telling my husband all communications w/bm need to be done via e-mail or text, but he won't cuz bm doesn't like it so her tries gets shot down and gives up. I tell him keep doing it, if she doesn't reply keep sending it till she does, ignore her call tell her to reply to the e mail, but he does whatever she wants! Fing drives me insane
Your're right, about her
Your're right, about her being a product of her parenting. that is a big reason she acts the way she does, but i go crazy cuz shes 9 almost 10! she knows right from wrong, she keeps choosing to act like this! thats what hubby and i fight about most, he says its not her fault cuz this is how shw is parented and i say bullshit! she keeps choosing her actions, and will even tell us that!
as far as cps goes they've been involved...baby mama tied sd hands behind her back with a rope and punched her over and over then locked her in her room for 6 hours as punishment for getting suspended from school for the 3rd time in 1st grade for hitting kids. we had to follow all cps' rules and the monday took sd in for interview, they sent her back to school for her mom to pick her up! makes no sense to me, we did everything they said to do (hospital, police report etc etc) and weve followed up and still nothing! maybe a bad cps agent? does anyone know any good cps agents in WA we could call? can we make them do an investigation on her?
the only hope sd has is if she lived with us full time, and she begs her skeeze bag mother and she always says no! any advice?
Pullups for Miss9. Nothing
Pullups for Miss9. Nothing else. And she can poop herself until the cows come home. Throw all her soiled underwear out. And ask your DH if he thinks this works in school. I doubt she poos herself there. So why at home? ANd make her sit in it on a chair covered with plastic. In fact, she has to sit on a plastic mat at all times to save the furniture. If it is attention she wants, she's got it!
And honey, the next time he agrees to you watching his daughter who you are not allowed to direct/discipline, pack a bag for you and DD, pop SD in the car, drop her off at Daddys work and tell him you will be back in a couple of days. If it works for BM it MUST be OK for you too. BYEEEEEEEEEEEE!
LOVE love love ONEOFFOUR's
LOVE love love ONEOFFOUR's post so right.
I am sure you are all talked/cried out from constantly trying to get SO to address these issues with sd and from asking him to stop letting BM dictate the terms of access. So I would suggest you save your breath and energy, and quit asking/begging/expecting your SO to change. He isnt going to until HE experiences the consequences of his cr*p parenting and walking vagina behaviour with his ex.
I wish I had taken this advice from the beginning because it would have saved me soooo much stress and my tears.
So he expects you to look after sd when he is in work? Nope,not anymore. Ok, you disagree with his inability to teach his child how to behave and act (and yes this includes discipline) then thats his choice and he is entitled to do this however you have every right to make your own decisions to NOT have to contend with the consequences of this - sd's poor behaviour and so can refuse to babysit her. Is this a problem for SO? I suggest you tell him "ok hunny, well you know what you have to do for me to help you out..."
BM asks/tell him she wants sd to stay extra time at your home? Then SO has to have sd, while you occupy yourself and your child with whatever your plans are. And no, they dont include sd. So for example BM controlling PU that dont fit around you, who will be responsible for sd, and SO unfairly agrees to this - then simple. You arent available. SO will be responsible for getting someone else to watch sd. Until your SO respects you and considers YOU above his ex, I would calmly and sweetly explain to SO that ofcourse your SO has ever right to make these decisions with his ex, but you can make the decision to opt out.
Harden yourself and realise YOU have the upper hand in this. You dont have to just deal with whatever sh*t on a plate your SO is handing you, you can and should refuse. Remember he needs you more than you need him during sd time.
If sd poops her pants, your calm response to SO with a smile "darling sd has had another accident and needs your help...I am busy (find reason/excuse). Oh and remember to pop them, along with sd's other pants in the wash asap as they cant be washed with the other clothes - hygiene - and otherwise they will smell..."
sd acts like a flirt, you with ironic smile "oh isnt it weird how sd inappropriately like to flirt with you..."
If sd is rough with baby, say in front of SO "sd you continue to treat the baby like that and I am afraid I will have to put a stop to playing/being around him/her..."
sd misbehaves around people "oh, SO strangly seems to think thats ok..." (please dont protect and therefore enable this).
On weekends when SO expects things to go round sd - "I am busy this weekend doing x and y....Oh, what about you and sd? You usually like doing things she enjoys so I thought you would be doing the usual with her...have fun bye." Make sure you do what YOU want to do, let SO deal with sd on his own. While its not ideal, seperating your family on sd weekends it cant be worse than enduring the torture and stress you are now. Plus SO will have to deal with sd on his own and the consequences of his poor parenting. Remember dont negotiate or debate with SO over this, say this once and then walk away, make sure you have plans and make it clear you are happy with your choices.
Your SO will either learn he has to change how he parents and deals with BM, or the fallout of his choices while you get on with your life and not shoulder the responsibilites of his poor decisions. You need to start placing your own happiness as a priority and stop being guilted into dealing with SO poor choices.
oh delilah i love you! can u
oh delilah i love you! can u come be my nanny/marriage 911?!
you are so right about everything u say. i cant tell you how many times we/the family have plans and that bitch bm changes them with my hubby and he bends over and lets her! he acts like such a pussy when it comes to bm & sd it disgust me, its a turn off!
hr truly believes that his daughter is just a normal kid! i want to rip his brain out and reprogram it ti open his eyes! he feels so much guilt that his daughter is in this situation that he closes his eyes to everything. he calls her situation "special" (that her parents aernt togetger) and therefore thinks its ok for her to act this way!
heres what gets to me the most: his theroy is that since shes not parented when shes with her mom theres nothing we can do when shes here! basically saying he wont discipline or parent because its not consistant with her home! i say bullshit! if her moms not parenting her and her dads not. then who is?!
if i discipline her he gets mad at me! gives me evil eyes, stays mad at me for days!
i know youre right cuz i feel it in my heart, when she is here i need to take my 1 year old and leave, but that isnt what i want! i want us to be a family of 4, not 2 families of 2, plus sd gets this evil smirk on her face saying haha i win i get daddy all to myself and ill be able to get away with everything! she is the biggest, game playing, manipulator (besides her mom) i have ever known my whole life!!! and im 29, ive known quite a few people!
the sad part is is this is tearing apart our marriage! i cant let that happen.
i wish SO and i could talk about this and it not turn into a fight, but we cant, 99.9% of the time it does. i think im going to have to be cold and distant when shes here? ignore most of it, and keep my 1 year old away and protected from it. maybe if i leave like you said he'll start to miss the family unit and we'll t lk bout what it will take to get that back? maybe ill start to make plans around the drop off pick up time so he sees that he'll be missing out on things cuz he lets beotch bm rule him!!
the other side is this is a huge turnoff! its not sexy having a whimppy hubby that cant stand up to boetch face he says he dies it cuz hes got to keep her happy so he doesnt get time with his daughter taken away. well guess what in the 6 years ive been around that hasnt happened once...
hes always telling me that he knows bm better than me cuz hes known her longer than i have...true...but id say i know her damn well from working with this situation for 6 years, they weren't even together for 2 years!
to me i feel like im #4 to him, first is sd, 2nd is bm, 3rd is our baby and im 4! or 5 if you put work in the equation. sorry im rambling!!! love all your help ladies! im so lucky i found this site!
Omg I love u! Totally right
Omg I love u! Totally right up my alley
And yes you are %100 right she has never done it at school or in any of her day camps. (bm is so controlling she won't let us have any extra time w/sd unless its to help her schedule. Like during summer she can be with us, but bitch signs her up for daycare, AND then tries to get MY hubby to pay for day care!)
I totally agree oneoffour.
I totally agree oneoffour. And make sure they are not considered the 'discreet' kind either. Big ol' diapers for a big ol' baby.
The pooping...well, yes, I
The pooping...well, yes, I say put her in pull-ups...no doubt. Then have a roll of bags, so she can change them herself, put them in a bag and go out to the trash can and throw them out. She will NEVER do it again.
The butt in the air naked? Loser skid used to do some crazy stuff...DH didn't see it as majorly f#$%#$%ed up...he would argue with me. Then I said, "well, I guess if she can do that here with you and she doesn't live with you, then she must be used to doing it with her step-dad..." That crap stopped real quick. Anytime he felt she was being "sexual" in a weird way, or not covering up, he would punish her. Worked like a charm.
About watching HIS kid while he works...HUH? Why? No, no way. You do it now and he will forever expect it. It is HIS child. If he didn't have you he would have had to say NO. The same should apply. My DH tried this BS just once. I told him exactly the same thing..."if we weren't together, you would have to stay home with her or take her to her mother's...and if you are with me so that I can take care of your daughter, then let me know so I can get out now." He never expected it again.
As far as being short with you and your BD...I can see how that upsets you. My DH used to do the same with us when loser skid was around. It ticked me off. Eventually what I realized was that provided what he was punishing our son for was reasonable, then at the end the ONLY ONE who would end up a loser was HIS kid, not ours...which of course, at the age of 10 my kiddo is AWESOME! Polite! Generous! His kid? A loser. That's what crappy parenting did to her. Not my problem either.
BRILLIANT " Then I said,
BRILLIANT
" Then I said, "well, I guess if she can do that here with you and she doesn't live with you, then she must be used to doing it with her step-dad..." That crap stopped real quick. Anytime he felt she was being "sexual" in a weird way, or not covering up, he would punish her. Worked like a charm."
Unless you are 100% sure
Unless you are 100% sure there is not a health/physical reason that she is still pooping her pants at age 9, then there is some serious therapy needed for this child IMO. It’s clear to me that there is some disturbing things happening at her BM’s house that is creating some of this acting out. I agree with another poster, if DH does that with your schedule again, then drop her off at his work, or better yet, don’t be home when SD is being dropped off.
LOVE love love ONEOFFOUR's
LOVE love love ONEOFFOUR's post so right.
I am sure you are all talked/cried out from constantly trying to get SO to address these issues with sd and from asking him to stop letting BM dictate the terms of access. So I would suggest you save your breath and energy, and quit asking/begging/expecting your SO to change. He isnt going to until HE experiences the consequences of his cr*p parenting and walking vagina behaviour with his ex.
I wish I had taken this advice from the beginning because it would have saved me soooo much stress and my tears.
So he expects you to look after sd when he is in work? Nope,not anymore. Ok, you disagree with his inability to teach his child how to behave and act (and yes this includes discipline) then thats his choice and he is entitled to do this however you have every right to make your own decisions to NOT have to contend with the consequences of this - sd's poor behaviour and so can refuse to babysit her. Is this a problem for SO? I suggest you tell him "ok hunny, well you know what you have to do for me to help you out..."
BM asks/tell him she wants sd to stay extra time at your home? Then SO has to have sd, while you occupy yourself and your child with whatever your plans are. And no, they dont include sd. So for example BM controlling PU that dont fit around you, who will be responsible for sd, and SO unfairly agrees to this - then simple. You arent available. SO will be responsible for getting someone else to watch sd. Until your SO respects you and considers YOU above his ex, I would calmly and sweetly explain to SO that ofcourse your SO has ever right to make these decisions with his ex, but you can make the decision to opt out.
Harden yourself and realise YOU have the upper hand in this. You dont have to just deal with whatever sh*t on a plate your SO is handing you, you can and should refuse. Remember he needs you more than you need him during sd time.
If sd poops her pants, your calm response to SO with a smile "darling sd has had another accident and needs your help...I am busy (find reason/excuse). Oh and remember to pop them, along with sd's other pants in the wash asap as they cant be washed with the other clothes - hygiene - and otherwise they will smell..."
sd acts like a flirt, you with ironic smile "oh isnt it weird how sd inappropriately like to flirt with you..."
If sd is rough with baby, say in front of SO "sd you continue to treat the baby like that and I am afraid I will have to put a stop to playing/being around him/her..."
sd misbehaves around people "oh, SO strangly seems to think thats ok..." (please dont protect and therefore enable this).
On weekends when SO expects things to go round sd - "I am busy this weekend doing x and y....Oh, what about you and sd? You usually like doing things she enjoys so I thought you would be doing the usual with her...have fun bye." Make sure you do what YOU want to do, let SO deal with sd on his own. While its not ideal, seperating your family on sd weekends it cant be worse than enduring the torture and stress you are now. Plus SO will have to deal with sd on his own and the consequences of his poor parenting. Remember dont negotiate or debate with SO over this, say this once and then walk away, make sure you have plans and make it clear you are happy with your choices.
Your SO will either learn he has to change how he parents and deals with BM, or the fallout of his choices while you get on with your life and not shoulder the responsibilites of his poor decisions. You need to start placing your own happiness as a priority and stop being guilted into dealing with SO poor choices.
We've had medical testing,
We've had medical testing, there is nothing medically wrong. Her pos mom never potty trained her, and tells doctor she needs medians. They had her on laxatives for adults for YEARS, but I put a stop to that by calling her doc! Told them the truth, they were quite shocked!
RE: The Pooping In Pants
RE: The Pooping In Pants Issue
This is a complex problem, but the solution is actually a pretty simple one – not necessarily a pleasant one, but a simple one. Your stepdaughter has somehow managed to make her bodily functions your (yours and your husbands) responsibility and her messing “incidents” (stop calling them “accidents”) your problem. That has got to change.
You and your husband need to sit down with your stepdaughter and lay down some new rules. Your husband can do most of the talking but BOTH of you need to be involved in this conversation. It needs to be explained to your daughter that at her age, her bathroom functions are entirely her responsibility. Her dad and her stepmom will no longer be involved with her bodily functions in any way as they now will be entirely her responsibility. Tell her that it is entirely up to her how she handles her bowel movements (or whatever you call it). You can tell her that you prefer that she does them in the toilet, that being the cleanest and easiest way and the way that other girls her age handle it, but that it is still her choice. If she chooses to go in her panties, you won’t yell or scream or punish or even shame her – it’s entirely her responsibility and her choice to make and you are no longer involved in that decision.
But you also tell her that if she chooses to go in her pants, then she also chooses having to clean it up afterwards. Present her with a dozen new pairs of panties and half dozen washcloths. Explain to her everything that cleaning up after a mess entails: cleaning out panties and pants, cleaning herself, getting herself new panties and pants, putting the cleaned out clothes in the wash, and tidying up the bathroom after herself. This entire conversations needs to simply be factual and non-judgmental and non-punitive. None of this clean-up process is a punishment as there is no more punishment for going in her panties because it is entirely up to her whether she does that or not. Cleaning up is simply what she has to do when she chooses to go in her panties. It’s all part of the process just like wiping oneself is part of the process when she does go in the toilet.
It is entirely inappropriate for a 9 year old girl to be going without panties and it is similarly inappropriate for her to be wearing pull-ups. She is perfectly capable of using the toilet like a girl her age should, so there is no legitimate reason for her to be wearing anything other than panties. And if she make the choice to mess in the panties, she then she makes the choice to clean up the panties. It’s very simple – she makes the mess, she cleans the mess. Panties will no longer be thrown away just because she messes in them.
When she does go in her panties you and your husband should not react at all. Do not give her the attention (negative or otherwise) that she seeks. Tell her quite simply and matter-of-factly, “I see that YOU CHOSE to defecate (or whatever you call it) in your panties – so now you need to go in the bathroom and clean yourself up. Again, no judgments, no shaming, no punishment – just her taking responsibility and cleaning up her mess. There are no more talks with her father afterwards because there is nothing to talk about. She made her choice to go in her panties and now she has to clean it up. Her choice and her consequences – there is no need to talk about it further. You and your husband are not to be involved in her bodily functions anymore.
When she CHOOSES to mess in her panties, she doesn’t get alone time with her father. She doesn’t get a reaction or attention from you or anyone else. By messing in her panties, she doesn’t get to control what you and your husband do. All she gets is the dirty, disgusting, tedious and time-consuming task of cleaning it up. She cannot disrupt whatever pleasurable activity that you and your husband are participating in by messing in her panties and she cannot participate in it herself because she’s stuck in the bathroom cleaning herself up. When she does finish cleaning up, she should be perfectly free to join back in with no punishment or shaming or even any overt disapproval. It was entirely her choice to go in her panties and she fulfilled her responsibility by cleaning it up afterwards. But she’ll have missed out on some time with you and daddy because she was stuck in the bathroom cleaning up her mess. If she doesn’t want to stop what pleasurable activity she’s doing for 2-3 minutes to go use the toilet, then she’s going to have to stop it for about 30 minutes or so to go in the bathroom and clean herself.
Your stepdaughter sounds stubborn and this won’t work overnight. She’ll quickly understand that cleaning up her own messes is not fun and she’ll get tired of that rather quickly. And she’ll eventually understand that she can’t control you and your husband by messing in her panties and that doing so won’t get any reaction from you or one-on-one time with daddy. It will soon be apparent to her that the only person she is hurting by going in her panties is herself. Then she’ll make the right choice, FOR HERSELF, and stop messing in her panties.
In most cases I generally
In most cases I generally believe that a decent buttwhooping a time out will cure things, but I have to agree with this post.
She's 9 not 4 and she needs to learn to be responsible. Also, I would recommend explaining to her that it's going to be hard to have fun or do anything interesting when she is always having to take care of her own messes. Finally, if she doesn't clean out the panties then explain to her she will not be receiving any clean ones or any clean laundry until the panties and the bathroom have been cleaned up. Even if she doesn't like it, I doubt she will like wearing dirty pants and panties either.
Tell your husband that you WILL NOT deal with it anymore. You won't clean up after her nasty little disasters, and you WILL NOT wipe the girl's butt for her. She can wait till her daddy gets home and he can do it himself.
Finally, stick to your guns. It's terrible that this could tear your marriage apart, but be strong. Either he will shape up or you two will break up, but even breaking up couldn't be the worse thing. You could instead wind up cleaning up after a 18 year old whenever she feels the urge to not go to the bathroom.