Need some help here…
Blended family, rapidly falling apart… My wife insists on protecting her children from me because I’m being “unfair” to them. As a result, we now have two families with different rules living under one roof. I attempt to be as fair as possible across the board, but she doesn’t see it that way… And we're not talking an isolated incident... This has been going on for 3 years now. It's to the point where if it doesn't get fixed, it is the end...
Without getting in too deep, here is the best example that she has ever provided me of how I’m being unfair…
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Child 1 – Step Child (15yrs)
Child 2 – Child (12yrs)
Child 1 has 2 hours each week night and 5 hours each weekend day for computer time on own personal laptop; a total of 20hrs a week. Child 1 spends 2 hours each week night and 5 hours each weekend day surfing the web, watching youtube videos and socializing (and I have the surf reports to proove it). Child 1 receives a school project and blows her allotted computer time on BS and then asks for more time on the computer as “oh by the way, I have a project due”. Child 1 is not given extra time on computer…
Child 2 has 2 hours each weekend day on shared computer; a total of 4hrs a week. Child 2 receives a project due in 30 days. Child 2’s computer time allotment is increased by 5hrs a week (1hr each week night) to allow child 1 to work only on school projects during school nights.
The computer systems are set up to automatically log the children off when their time is up.
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I don’t see how Child 2 is being treated preferentially? If I’m wrong than I’m wrong, but Child 1 already has considerably more time on a personally owned computer and is BS’ing it all away and then wanting more. Child 2 does not get any time during the week to work on school homework whatsoever.
The wife insists that Child 2 should have not been given more time as it was unfair to child 1... The wife doesn’t force her children to do school homework on the weekends, so why should my children be forced to do school homework during the weekends?
Give it to me straight… Am I the devil?
I'm sorry, typo... -- Child
I'm sorry, typo...
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Child 2’s computer time allotment is increased by 5hrs a week (1hr each week night) to allow child 2 to work only on school projects during school nights.
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This reads as a major Physics
This reads as a major Physics equation/ problem.
I would be willing to bet that she feels like you are only picking on her child. Explain that you are not and see how she reacts. You have to be honest in these types of situations.
Good Luck! ( answer is no, BTW not a big deal)
Thank you for your
Thank you for your reply...
I've tried to explain this particular instance as well as others. She see's this as Child 2 should have been denied because Child 1 was denied. That's the limit of what she can (or is willing to) see.
I have been trying to speak with her on the topic since we've been together now. I've tried to let her know many many times and continue to explain that I am not trying to pick on her children. I have told her countless times that I would back her 100% on discliplining all of the children IF it were given fairly across the board. She seems to want to point out every little flaw with my children and then let hers get away with murder. It just never stops and she refuses to see that I'm trying my hardest to treat all of the kids fair. I admit, I'm human and there are times that I don't see something that mine do wrong, but she's convinced that I don't see those items on purpose. And likewise, there are times that I don't see her children doing things wrong. Just like there are times when she does and doesn't see both sets of children doing things wrong, but the balance is extremely uneven (even when taking into account the psychological imbalance associated with biological relationships).
I'm having a hard time
I'm having a hard time comparing the two situations. They are differing ages, differing needs. Assuming that you both agree that the alloted computer time as assigned is fair, I will say that if one child was given extra 'school' time then the other child should expect the same priviledge. If you expect one to give up personal/play time to do school work then you should expect it from both.
I think it sound like they both need to find other interests but that's just me. Two hours at a time and everyday is a lot.
I have to say. I might be a lazy parent but I just don't have the patience to be that precise with my kids. At 15, if you give them their own computer I would expect that they will want to use it ALL THE TIME. I can understand setting a limit for what time to be off at night. I just don't want to micro manage anyones time that way.
At our house, you don't get to use the computer until school work is done or you have a plan to do it. And if school work and grades aren't kept up then there is a complete loss of computer/video game privledges.
Because Child 1 literally
Because Child 1 literally just got done spending 2 hours surfing youtube instead of doing homework and then literally came down and said "oh, by the way, I need time on the computer to do this project that is due tomorrow"... Child 2 was not allowed on the computer during school nights at all previously.
All children are time limited because they will become computer zombies and stay online 24/7 if allowed. What they do with their time should be productive and then playful.
If she would have used up all
If she would have used up all of her time working on homework then I would have most certainly given her more time, but to blatently blow the time and THEN want more time is a "no go" in my book... It is about learning time management for use in the real world... She's old enough to proritize... Hell, even if she had used the full 2hrs working and then wanted an additional hour to socialize, I would have done that...
Thanks PrincessFiona.... I do
Thanks PrincessFiona....
I do expect both children to sacrafice play time for school and do expect both to do work before play (all 5 children for that matter). I don't try to micro manage, but have programmed all of our computers to force them off at the end of their time because they will in fact stay on and that by far is more difficult to keep up with the constant arguing.
The problem is, that she expects child 2 to sacrafice time of the 4hrs each weekend to do school work while child 1 is given 2 hours nightly to do school work. All because child 1 was denied additional time because child 1 blew the time playing. She is citing that it is unfair for child 2 to be given additional time (nightly) to do school work.
But you are making addition
But you are making addition time for child 2 that is slated for her project and not for child 1. You aren't asking child 2 to manage their own time to fit in a project. And maybe that's not age appropriate. I know sometimes you have to help them along to teach them to manage their time. I have three kids in the house between ages 11 and 13 and very seldom does any of them need a computer to do school work, even projects. And when the computer is needed it's seldom for hours at a time.
I think 2 hours each weekend day (4hours per week) is plenty of computer time. I certainly wouldn't want to add another hour every day to have them sit in front of a screen.
I guess we live in a somewhat
I guess we live in a somewhat 'poor' school district. They don't expect that all kids have open access to a computer. I guess I'll be thankful that we still use paper and pencil. THat's one less aggravation in my life.
No I don't think it is your
No I don't think it is your school district. My kids are in a private school and my 6th grader only HAS to use the computer occasionally. Even at that, typically it is something she could have gone to the computer lab at school but chose to do it at home. Or, it is a long term project, like in the OP's case to allow time to go to the library etc.... should a computer/printer not be available at home.
I'm sorry but what is it with
I'm sorry but what is it with all of this, "Child1, Child2" ???
Are they human or research subjects.
I did not realize we were taking advanced math here. Jeez dude.
I'm sorry, yes they are
I'm sorry, yes they are human. I was just trying to make it easier to follow.
Could you possibly buy let us
Could you possibly buy let us say, " Child1 or Child2" another PC?
That would solve this problem. It is like multiple choice.
I gave child 1 (the teenager)
I gave child 1 (the teenager) a brand new laptop last year. That is what she is using. The other one is using a desktop in the livingroom
Needhelp…can you give another
Needhelp…can you give another example of how it is unfair? I just have different views on computer time, so I would kind of like another example if you have one.
And I don't care how you refer to the kids. I know it is just to make it simple on the reader.
I'll try... Don't really have
I'll try... Don't really have much to pull from. Most of what she gives me is not clearly defined.
ALL children - shoes off at door.... ALL children scolded when I SEE them walking on the carpet with shoes on... Occassionally I miss catching them as I'm not trying to be the shoe nazzi....
Her daughter rarely ever takes shoes off and even hours later walks up to her mother in the kitchen and holds a convo with her.... Mom says nothing "didn't see it".... My son comes home and goes from the door to the bathroom and back to the door, removes his shoes and then goes to his room... She's on it like white on rice...
Not a very good example, as it's much more subjective, but very typical of what goes on...
Ok, thanks for the
Ok, thanks for the input...
If I get this right... I should be expecting child 2 to give up the 4 hrs a week computer time when child one blows 20 hrs a week and then wants more, even though child 1 is given time on school nights to do computer research and child 2 is not... The original goal was to give child 2 time on the week nights to do school work as needs have change with first year of Jr. High.
While I like that idea, my
While I like that idea, my wife doesn't enforce her kids doing chores during the weeks that my kids are visiting their mother, which is generally every other week... So chores never get done right (or at all) and it becomes a nightmare.
Maybe your issue is more that
Maybe your issue is more that the expectations of what the computer time was to be used for aren't clear to everyone involved. If you make the expectations clear upfront and a 15yo child knows that they are being given 2 hours each day for SCHOOLWORK and it is being abused then that's different than you started saying.
I understood that each one was given a set amount of previously agreed computer time. One was given additional to do a school project the other was denied because you think they are wasting their personal time on the computer. I expect when the 12yo becomes 15 they will waste more time on the computer also. It's very hard to keep age differences in mind when trying to be fair with kids.
Yes, that is possible. I was
Yes, that is possible. I was attempting to give child 2 (mine) an adjustment for the new need of doing computer research during school nights as she is just now getting to the level of more in depth homework and projects at school. Child one already has time during the week.
But does Child 1 understand
But does Child 1 understand that those hours they were given during the week are for the purpose of school work? Sometimes if it isn't spelled out to them they just don't get it.
and maybe this is one of those that you put behind you and use as a tool to set some better guidelines of what you and your wife agree to. Kind of like, this time is over and done with but from now on, the hours during the week are to be for schoolwork FIRST.
I have told my kids that bed time is bed time. School work that isnt' done when they know bedtime is all on them. They learn the consequences of not getting it done. And bad grades mean a loss of other things also so they know they need to do what they need to do to keep the grades good.
I hope you take the time to run some other issues by us. It's easy to get hung up on the details of a specific issue and not be able to really help you understand the bigger picture that might be going on with you and her.
This is not a "bitch about
This is not a "bitch about your SO" forum?
I wish someone would have told me that golden rule before I posted what an ass mine was in that case.
Woah! I'm on page 2 of this
Woah! I'm on page 2 of this post. I thought it had all been deleted by dad1.
I don't think this sounds
I don't think this sounds unreasonable at all. Your step has substantial amount of time on the computer to complete assignments and to mess around. I think your wife is mistaking the fact that you are not applying different "rules" on the hours to favor one child versus another but that the circumstances are different because when it comes to the computer I think 15 years old versus 12 years old is a big difference. It just shouldn't be that big of a deal!!
Firstly, I absolutely agree
Firstly, I absolutely agree with setting limits on PC and games console use, and ensuring appropriate use of internet access. That's not being a control freak, that's being a responsible parent. I know myself how much time can be fruitlessly absorbed sitting in front of a laptop! Sometimes I think I could do with some adult control software!
We initially allowed SD14 and SS12 free rein in terms of online time but found that they were just not able to self-limit those activities and they spent so much time connecting online with their friends and playing games that they spent little or no time connecting with us or each other. It seriously damaged our family dynamic. Since we limited access and used parental control software to schedule their online time our home is much happier and more sociable.
An allowance of 2 hours a day and 10 hours at the weekend seems generous to me. Since your SD15 has vastly more online time per week than DD12 (20hours vs 4hours) I would say that it is reasonable to expect SD15 to include any study time within her allowance, although on the first occasion that she asked for more time for schoolwork I would probably give her the benefit of the doubt and give her the extra time, but clarify that in future she needs to include her studies within her online allowance. DD12's allowance of 4 hours at the weekend is such a small allowance that I would say it was fair to allow her that for 'play', and I don't see how it would be fair to oblige her to do her homework at the weekend by forcing her to do homework within that allowance.
Now having said all this I think your real problem is the fact that you have to pore over the minutae of logic and reasoning over every issue that occurs, because you and your wife are so defensive with each other over what should be minor parenting decisions. Your wife clearly has a fundamental underlying feeling that you have a negative attitude towards her children. It sounds like you have different parenting styles, with your style perhaps being more traditional and strict, and have not been able to reconcile those style to come up with a mutually agreed approach, so your wife is interpeting your style towards her children as expressing some prejudice or negativity on your part. Unfortunately discipline from a stepparent can come across to the children and bioparent more heavily than it would from a parent because it is not underpinned by unconditional love on both sides. I would strongly recommend counselling, because you need to analyse what is going on in your home together, learn to trust each other's parenting, and try to come up with some mutually agreed groundrules, and I think you need help to do this. I have been through counselling with my husband and it transformed our relationship.
I do think this poster is getting undue criticm just because he is a man and has outlined his issue in quite a logical way. And Luv Them All telling your partner to 'kiss off' and overruling them in front of the child does not seem constructive to me.
Here's why it's an issue for
Here's why it's an issue for your wife -- it's not about how much time, it's that you're giving your kid extra time but not hers. Here's what I do... I stop and think to myself... would I really care if sd spends 50 hours a week on the computer? Hmmm. No. I don't. Her grades are not my problem, her oversleeping is not my problem, her bad eyesight from hours on the computer is not my problem. The trouble she gets into on who knows what websites is not my problem. So ultimately, let sd have more hours and let it be done. Easy peasy, no more whining by your wife.
In the shoe example - wife just wants you to pay attention and 'catch' your kid sometimes. When you hear him open the door, yell around the corner - HEY TAKE OFF YOUR SHOES! He'll probably laugh it off, she'll feel like you're on her side and you won't 'hear about it' later. Then ignore SD when she walks in with shoes on and hope she walked through mud that mommy can't miss and she gets busted by mom, not you.
I don't disagree with your
I don't disagree with your way of handling this situation. It sounds like the 15-year-old has substantially more computer time than the 12-year-old (20 hours a week vs 4 hours). Given that the 12-year-old has NO computer time during the week but has a significant assignment to complete, it makes sense that you give that child access to the computer during the week. The only OTHER way you could have done that was to take away the weekend time (to balance things out), but that hardly seems fair.
Sounds like your wife wants to pick and choose when things are "equal" and not. If they were "equal," the 12-year-old would have more computer time than currently.
I think, at 15 years old, children are sufficiently advanced enough to know that it is advisable to use the tools available (the computer) wisely to complete their allotted work. First work, then play. My SD used to do the same thing, play on the computer until bedtime and then suddenly remember an assignment that HAD to be done, allowing her MORE time on the computer AND to extend her bedtime simultaneously. Very smart!
OK, so it sounds as if I need
OK, so it sounds as if I need to read that book "Stepmonster" and seek professional counseling. Both seem like a great idea. I'll also try to be more concise with expectations for future requirements.
Many of you are right in your responses. The wife says that her ex used to physically abuse her kids, so she's more apt to "baby" them and I am very analytical, disciplined and strict. Another peeve of mine is that bed time is bed time, that means you prepare for bed 10 or 15 minutes prior and are IN bed at bed time. SS10 doesn't even head that way to get ready until bed time and then goofs around for 5 or 10 minutes past and then is back up using the restroom 20 minutes later... Unacceptable in my book... So yes, I need counseling on my own part to "loosen up" a bit.
Keep the comments coming if you like, I'm certainly learning my faults and very much appreciate constructive criticism. Our much different approaches is what is killing us.
I think this is a pretty
I think this is a pretty basic issue and one we all deal with. We all have varying methods and ideas of what is appropriate homework/play behavior, but it is an extremely obvious given that good parents have their kids do their homework before playing any games.
We have a first grader and a seventh grader and they have very different school requirements because of their age difference, but we have the same routine for both and it works like a charm. Our rule is that after a small snack, homework must be done (no matter how long it takes), including reading and practice writing, and then AFTER all homework is done, they each get a set period of play time that can be used on video games, the internet or tv. During the week, they get half an hour and on weekends they get an hour. If their homework takes forever or they goof off, they just don't get their play time! That motivates them and they have figured out that it is far better to just hunker down and get their homework done so they can play rather than dragging out homework time. It's extremely simple and works very well.
BM has no structure or rules and has no limits for game time and tv. The result is that on the days that BM has the skids they don't do their homework and get in trouble in school! With us, they are caught up and both boys have improved their grade point average dramatically compared to when H was with BM and struggling to get her to not sabotage his rules for the kids. Both skids teachers have figured out the home situation and at our last parent/teacher meeting they specifically talked to BM and told her that she is the only parent not participating in after school requirements and that they need her to kick in and do her part! It was hilarious!! She was furious and turned bright red and almost cried! I don't feel sorry for her at all because she has had so much support and advice and KNOWS that she should be making sure her kids get their homework done. The school doesn't assign more than they can handle and we are always there to help when they get stuck.
It's really simple and easy and you would think, idiot -proof! Not so!
That is my style and my
That is my style and my desire. Unfortunately, not the same for the wife. They do what they like and I'm being unreasonable if I get upset cause SS10 is outside playing and then walks up at bed time going "oh yeah, I have this homework due tomorrow" and is already in trouble at school with the teacher sending notes home that he's not doing his work... BM says "when he fails, he'll learn" and I agree with that to the extent of "If everything else fails". Or when I get upset because SD15 refuses to shut the TV off and go to bed at bed time, but instead stays up all hours of the night and is failing school because she can't comprehend the courseware because she's half asleep.... But that's just me (yes, a little sarcasm), but this is exactly where we differ and the reason we're having these problems. I believe in discipline, rules and repetitious routines, she does not.