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Are *we* the bad parents? A low percentage of visitation and we like it that way.

NCMilGal's picture

After reading blogs and forum topics, I am in awe of all of you. You all do so much, and care so much, I feel.... petty and mean.

DH doesn't get much visitation. When BM filed for divorce, they were living in Georgia, but she had fled to Louisiana and filed there. No matter what he did to move closer to his daughter, he would have been at least 4-6 hours away. So, he moved on and to North Carolina. His visitation is six weeks in the summer if he's not deployed, (they split in 2003, so there are a lot of deployments out there) and every other major holiday IF he is willing to pay for airfare or drive the 15 hours there and back to visit. BM is always willing to send SD (DH pays CS during the entire time SD visits) at no cost to her. DH calls SD every other day or so, and the same goes for BM when SD is here.

The thing is, as SD has gotten older, she has turned into her mother. Heavily overweight, ignorant, parroting prejudice, lazy, doesn't think about the consequences of her actions, and looks *just* like her.

I, having absolutely no experience with kids, thought 11 or 12 was old enough to reason with, or to direct and expect cooperation. The fact that she *looks* like she's 18 (I hear she's now taller than I am, and heavier than her father) makes it even tougher, because it's seriously like dealing with an 8-yr-old in an adult's body and I have trouble seeing her as a kid. I keep expecting her to react like an adult, and in my head I know she won't, but viscerally she surprises/disappoints me every time. I find dealing with her frustrating and largely unrewarding.

DH has gotten used to not having SD around. Her physical resemblance to BM seriously bothers him and gets in the way of reacting to her shenanigans calmly. While she was here, the stress and tension racheted up to a very high level.

We were contemplating pursuing physical custody; we're stable here, the schools are better, we have more disposable income and we were willing to put in the effort to get her to be a responsible adult and give her a better chance at being successful. That was before this summer. Getting her to do *anything*, getting up in the morning, leaving the house, doing chores, *bathing* was like pulling teeth. She is aware that she's overweight and claimed to want to lose weight; after the third day of 1-mile walks turned into 2 hours of whining, pouting, arguing, and practically dragging her, we gave it up as too much effort. She did lose close to 20 lbs in six weeks, but that was due to healthy food and snacks, with reminders about portion control. We didn't starve her; she ate as much as her father. It makes me wonder what she does and eats at home.

After all that, DH doesn't know that it's worth the struggle to do anything more than he is. He pays CS, he has the visitation he can afford, he is a fair disciplinarian when she is here, but.... He loves his daughter, but doesn't really like her much. I, obviously, haven't really bonded with her. I bite my tongue and try to be fair and even affectionate, but I don't know that I'm doing that good of a job. BM is someone I would never ever be friends with, her fiscal and personal decisions appall me, but she *does* love SD, even if she is a bit of a manipulative narcissist. She holds down a job, and has finally settled down with a good man.

So are we both wrong to heave a sigh of relief when SD gets on that plane? Are we wrong not to pursue more time, or getting BM to pay for part of the visitation? SD is a good kid, but we both work alcoholism-inducing stressful jobs and dealing with her on top of that puts both of us over the edge.

Please, flame away if you think it's justified.

smurfy1smile's picture

I think both partie should pay for the cost of parenting time no matter the distance. If you were 30 miles apart, each party would drive half-way or one party would drive one-way one day and the other the other day. If SD is not in danger, I would not try to gain custody. Do you really want the headache, the costs invovled and the hassle plus if she does not want to go, the court may not grant it. I know 12 is a hard age. Mine own BD12 is lazy and gaining some weight and mouthy and we are working on that. Puberty ti h*ll!

Good luck - go with your gut!

NCMilGal's picture

Her reaction to pretty much everything in life is "It's not MY fault!" It's not her fault that DH can't get stationed within reasonable driving distance, even though it's that job that pays for CS for his daughter (that, until she remarried, we were convinced the entire thing was going to her oops baby's daycare). She *is* willing to drive to New Orleans (they live on the other side of Baton Rouge) to get a direct flight for SD; but we drive to Raleigh or Charlotte, which are pretty far too.

The funny thing is, SD12 is not your stereotypically mouthy teen. She won't do chores unless nagged, but she's not disrespectful about it. She doesn't say nasty things about me or her father, and is confused when her mother does. She's just lazy, entitlement-minded, and materialistic, all traits that drive us both nuts.

smurfy1smile's picture

In a perfect or at least resonable world both parties contribute to the cost of transportation for parenting time. Sorry if I said that wrong.

melis070179's picture

Unless the mother is unfit, you wouldn't be likely to get custody anyway, so I wouldn't beat yourself up over not really wanting it. I'm in the same situation, or at least very similar, and I feel the same way!

NCMilGal's picture

she's just a stereotype of everything I hate and have to fight against to be taken seriously. She spends money like water (I bet she's up to her eyeballs in debt) expects to be handed everything, and feels that one of the perks of being female is the ability to flutter her eyelashes at any man to get what she wants. She doesn't find it condescending when men talk to her like she's a poor, poor girl who needs a man to take care of her; it's what she likes.

I just think SD is going to turn out just like her mother - goes to college for a couple of years because it's the thing to do, runs up the bills, quits and gets married, makes her husband miserable and makes DH a grandfather by the age of 45, and divorced before 30 with a couple of kids. Just perpetuating the cycle of misery. I could be wrong, but given her lack of motivation to excel, I don't think I am.

But yes, she provides a loving home, food, and clothes even if her idea of important is different than ours.

Rags's picture

NC,

No, you should not feel guilty about feeling relieved when you put the SD on a plane back to her BM.

We have full custody of my SS (now 16). SpermDad has ~7wks+/- of visitation every year. 5wks summer, ~1wk winter, and all of spring break (1wk). We miss him when he is gone but after years of avoiding doing things that we wanted to do because we felt guilty about doing things without him we decided that we should do things as a couple that we would not do with him. B&B's, wine tours, evening wine and cheese cruises, and just enjoying our time together sans kid. If we do something that we think he would enjoy we do it again with him if we get the opportunity.

Yes, the best interest of the kid(s) should be the focus of the marriage but the adult relationship is the heart of the family blended or initial. Take the non Skid time for the two of you and to build your bond and the core of your family.

Just my thoughts of course.

Good luck and best regards,

SM#1's picture

We do the same. If we go on a trip (just the two of us) and we feel that the SD and BS would enjoy it we take them next time. Now if I can just get my H to allow us to do things with BS without SD.....

Some vacation deals just don't land on our weekends.....why should BS miss out.

NCMilGal's picture

And here I thought $622/month for one kid out of a $40k/year check was bad.

DH has figured out that he prefers a kid-free life. He feels responsible for SD because it's not her fault she's here, and he does his best when he sees her, but...

I feel incredibly guilty because I *know* we could be better parents than BM if we were willing to put in the effort. Maybe it's hubris talking. I also feel guilty because when I married DH, I took him with everything he came with; and I feel like I'm not doing what's best for a girl who is part of him.

At least DH is sticking to his guns; he'll support SD while she's a minor/in high school, but he is determined not to be a wallet to fund a failing college career. He's going to be the only one who is willing to pay *anything* for college, so he's going to make SD live by the Golden Rule; he who has the gold makes the rules. SD isn't getting Bad grades, but at 12 she cannot read out of a book or magazine without stumbling on simple words. Ah, the joys of a public school education in Louisiana.

StepLightly's picture

in many of these situations, it ends up where DH starts looking at his kids (in my case adult kids) as an obligation, and not much of a joy. It's sad, but it's reality. In many cases, the kids are replicas of BM and you just begin to realize that you don't have much of an effect...:(

groovetheory's picture

As long as you can pay the CP, and do not mind seeing SD in the manner and the consistency that you do...keep with it. I am starting to wonder if that is a decision we should have made a long time ago. We actually went for full custody and won because the mom was unfit then, however although we won...we now have to deal with the heap of sh&t with raising her, especially with her disengaged ways, and habits of her mom. My DH hates it and is starting to regret that we actually got her full time....I guess I'm just saying...the grass isn't always greener. Enjoy your time with you DH, if you had her in your house - - that is a whole nother ball of issues that quite frankly it will take a lifetime + some to get over.