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ExArmydad's picture

Trivial,

So I’m in the process of my disengagement version 1.0 and I posted a bit of detail yesterday about my situation. I have read the disengagement essay and I rewrote it to suit my needs but like in my original post, I’m having an issue with how to implement it.

My SD has no boundaries, never has. She likes to come into mine and DW’s bathroom while we’re in there. DW doesn’t have a problem with this, never has but I do. So I tell her to stay out of my bathroom and my bedroom for that matter, unless 1. You’re invited in or 2. You actually need something and knock before storming in our room. Which she’s never actually needed anything, she just wants to be in there. So now the rule is set in place by both of us, if you’re ready go sit down on the couch until we come out and we can leave or whatever.

This is one of many issues I have with her. She’s 11, not three. I don’t even want my daughter who is three in the bathroom with me on most occasions. She does this even when we bathe our DD’s 3 & 1. She just feels the need to be in there while we bathe them, when she knows she herself should be getting in the shower.

So this morning, DW walks me to the door and guess who is in tow under her feet, SD. We’re all standing there, I start to say good bye to DW, and SD opens the door for me and stands there. I said what are you doing? Why are you standing there? I don’t need you to help me open the door nor an escort from you. DW gives me a look as SD walks away and I said, what, can’t I give my wife a (good) kiss good bye without SD in the middle? It’s weird!!

Anyway, I know it’s trivial but it bothers me and it’s not just about the two issues listed, its everything. She literally is DW’s shadow, follows her everywhere for no reason. We try to explain to her that she doesn’t need to do that and to try and find something else to do but it still continues.

So I want to disengage but I know I can’t completely do it as long as she keeps being in the middle. I have to open my mouth and say something due to boundary issues. If you read my other post you’ll see that I/we’re not trying to push away SD or anything like that, we create a time and space for her to chat and talk about her day or whatever. We sit down at the dinner table every single night. She gets to talk with DW for hours before I get home and she talks the entire time.

But what attention we give her never seems to be enough. She has to be the center of attention 24/7 which can and never will be possible with her having two younger sisters that need attention as well.

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Acratopotes's picture

Disengagement is not ignoring her flat out, it's putting boundaries in place, and it's between you and the child... no one else..

thus if the child over step the boundary you have the full right to speak up and say - step back please, we talked about this... you do not need the other adult's approval... it's getting your own personal boundaries in place and not allowing people to step over it.

The bedroom thing is a main issue with allot of people... not even my own bio was allowed in my room, why should I allow a non related kid in my room, I'm sorry if your wife does not like it she just have to deal with it, it's a place that's skid free and where you have sex, you do not want to share this place with children, explain it as such - only this got my SO to understand... but then adults are not allowed to go into children's rooms without knocking Wink

disengagement is simply putting up boundaries for yourself, nothing more... and you can always engage if SD behaves, if she treats you nice, you treat her nice... if she's like a brat yo ignore...

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Bathroom and bedroom solution. Locks! Hardcore installing those the second we have our own place, she actually needs something, she can knock and you can respond or someone can get up, open the door and ask what's up.

Sometimes kids just get clingy though... I had to set boundaries... SD8 is my shadow, follows me, hangs on me, copied me... Sometimes it is annoying, we've set up boundaries though, DH helps enforce them. When I need a break I tell them I need one and DH informs them if they don't respond quick enough (normally they do) and boom. Problem solved.

not.the.crazy.one's picture

The bedroom thing was a huge issue with me and my DH too. My bios were never allowed in my room without permission. I finally had to explain it like the above AND tell dh I wasn't comfortable having sex in our room when skids were allowed in the there whenever they wanted. He got on board but then we had a problem with them knocking but not waiting for an answer.

Im fully disengaged. I don't even speak to skids unless they speak to me, which they rarely do. I do nothing for them and take all behavioral problems to DH then wash my hands of it.

nengooseus's picture

Echoing Acra, the issues that you have aren't actually with the SD, they're with your wife. Your wife isn't setting good boundaries for the child, so the child can't understand that there are any, which is why you need to set your own boundaries. Very likely, she likes the constant interaction with her daughter, likes having her underfoot and feeling physically pursued all day every day, and instead of teaching the girl what she needs to understand, your wife is satisfying her own needs/wants with the child's behavior.

I think a lot of people get confused about disengagement (I think I did for a long time). On the face, it's about learning not to care about what the skids do, but under that initial layer is the idea of setting your personal boundaries and sticking to them and learning how not to care about the *effects* of enforcing those boundaries, just as Acra stated above.

SonOfABrisketMaker's picture

Does your wife understand just how uncomfortable the meeting with CPS is going to be when SD tells a teacher she saw your hoohoodilly in the bathroom? Or if SD mistakenly chooses you to test drive her new found sexuality in a couple of years? It's better to have these boundaries and rules firmly in place and adhered to before the need arises.

advice.only2's picture

I agree you need to set your own personal boundaries and get comfortable with sticking to them. It sounds like your DW has created a peer/peer relationship with her daughter, and not a parent/child relationship. So instead of DW being a disciplinarian in SD's life, she's more like her buddy and feels she should be allowed to be just as much involved in the relationship as her mom.

dragonfly5's picture

This is the truth "Disengagement is not ignoring her flat out, it's putting boundaries in place, and it's between you and the child... no one else.."

You have lost yourself in trying to help someone else's child. She is not your daughter. You have children, you are responsible for and to them.

I love my Skids, and I have never engaged. I am not their mom they have a mom and her name is not dragonfly. My skids will tell you they feel loved and respected by me. I do not parent never have. I have rules and boundaries for our home and it is up to my DH to make sure they are respected and carried out.

The bedroom/bathroom issue is a must. I agree with the other posters, if your DW doesn't support you in your boundaries, set them yourself. Lock the door. When you DW is locked out a few times and needs to retrieve something, she will understand your need for your bedroom/bathroom to be private.

The step world sucks for all. I am sorry your SD has such a gaping hole that cannot be filled. Now it's time to make sure your daughters don't have one as a result of step hell life. Smile

AshMar654's picture

SS9 did the same thing your SD is doing when I first got with my SO. Eventually SO would push him away. I mean he would take his hand on his shoulder and push him out the way. Sounds like your wife might have to be a lot more stern with her. SO would tell SS look we want just a hug with the two of us.

SS use to always and I mean always want to sit in between SO and me. No matter what SO would say "NO I want to sit next to ASH. SS9 you can sit next to me or her but no between us." It took sometime and he still likes to be in the middle but it is way better.

Also my SS9 does not have a BM in the picture and has no memory of her. Her needing to have all the attention all the time and being involved in everything is the exact same thing my SS9 has been doing. SO and I both work really hard on it everyday from making him go read, or making him go play in his room. We say we are having an adult convo you need to go in the other room.

Not every situation is the same and not every child is the same. My experience is limited but I do know that me and SO being on the same page and both being very stern with him is what seems to be working in our home. Might need to have a convo with your wife. If she is allowing things and you are not SS11 will just continue to do them.