SS went from 345lbs down to 324lbs but has now given up and truly gone off the deep end.
So my SS joined cross country in school to encourage himself to lose some weight. His doctor previously told him if he didnt get his weight under control he was in for some pretty nasty conditions and SOON. He LOVED cross country! He would tell us how all of the guys would cheer him on and encourage him to try harder..and as soon as everyone wasn't fawning all over him he QUIT. Lost about 20 or so lbs and then quit because he was no longer center of attention.
Something interesting has changed and I am not sure how to approach the situation. Since quitting Xcountry when he comes to our house he has been sneaking food from the kitchen. He will wait until I go upstairs or outside and he will sneak food. Not sure what to do with this. I could let DH know but honestly think that DH will make it worse and will take it to the extreme.
Today we took a day trip to the mall. We ate lunch before we left, got cupcakes as a treat around 12pm. I spent the entire time looking for SS because he was off mooching samples from every freaking store. It was really annoying. The rest of the time he sat on the benches outside of the stores because he didn't want to walk. He is all of 16 now and can't handle walking around the mall.
I have kind of come to terms with the fact that he has no intentions of losing any weight or hell even giving a damn anymore. At what point do I just leave the house without him. SD is 12 and is able to everything an abled bodied person can do. Last summer we didnt go to any theme parks or the fair because SS could not walk around and he cannot fit on any rides. We go kyaking and hiking and ride bikes regularly. We have tried to help and educate as much as we can. At what point do we just say screw it, we are all going to do X..have a good day sitting on the couch.
Any advice is appreciated.
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I'm sorry I didn't mean to
I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it seem like he is ONLY eating when he sneaks food. He eats breakfast, snack, lunch, snack and then dinner. We generally eat about every 2 hours or so. He manages to sneak food in between these meal times and then at night as well. He has free range at his mothers house to eat whatever and whenever he wants. She is large and almost encourages him to be big.
SD12 went out for Halloween this year, SS and DH handed out candy. He called his mother 4 times in the course of the night to make sure she has Almond joys, Reeses, and a couple other bags of candy ready for when he went back to her house. Yes she got his BAGS of candy because he asked..
suesue. I have seen your
suesue. I have seen your comments on others blogs and I honestly think you are a wackadoodle..no offense but I have judged you as fucking nuts.
despite what you have assumed about my little snipit of life I do have a decent relationship with my steps. I don't recall typing that I rolled my eyes or turned up my lip everytime my SS sat down. Hell I didn't even tell him to move a single finger. My SD and I continued without him.
It is my concern if he decides to "sit out" when it is on my dime. If I were to ask him if he wanted to go to a theme park tomorrow he would certainly say yes. Then tomorrow comes..he tries desperately to fit onto a few rides no doubt being embarrassed when they finally give up trying to squish him in and ask that he leave the ride. Then he spends the rest of the day sitting in the car alone. Perhaps you would like me to spend $100 on a ticket to get on rides he hasn't been able to get on since he was 11 and then we can all leave within 20 minutes..because I would be too judgemental of him.
Maybe you want me to feed him like his mother does, without any care that his cholesterol is sky high and diabetes is around the corner. THESE things are REAL and LIFE CHANGING..go whine about being judgemental on a different blog.
That is hard, you don't want
That is hard, you don't want to be cruel by leaving him out but you and the rest of the family should not have to miss out because of his bad choices.
Maybe if he misses out on some things, he will want to try harder.
OK so 'treats' are cupcakes?
OK so 'treats' are cupcakes? Why not air popped popcorn? Or a movie from RedBox? Eating every 2 hours? Why? Does someone in your home have health concerns and needs to eat every 2 hours so you all tag along so that person isn't lonely?
Pinki, why not remove the food as a reward? I work in a health field where over consumption has dreadful outcomes. We do not hand out candy for ANY holidays or celebrations. If someone lowers their blood glucose level we reward them with a little plastic nurse duck as a reminder how we are all in this game with them.
Your sson has a bad habit. Remove the 'treat' food from his access. Only have healthy snacks in the cupboards. OK, I know. Why should you go without just because sson has a bad habit? Well why is food considered such a treat? It is merely fuel, not a reward.
Since I have been on this personal crusade a reward for me now is time watching a movie I REALLY want. Or taking my photos and getting them printed out and into frames. We do not need so much food and what we do eat is laden in satuarated fats and sugar. And if you say you only buy 'healthy' then why the concern your sson is overeating?
Tap into something that motivates him apart from food. He needs rewarding but not with cupcakes. You had an early lunch then ate again at 12 noon for a treat. How many calories did you each consume within 3 hours?
Please let me clarify. We
Please let me clarify. We only get the steps EOW. SS16's weight did not happen overnight. My husband and I eat mostly whole food diet and rarely eat outside of the house at all..So I wanted a treat when I went to the mall and got a cupcake. SS had already given up on his Xcountry and gained his weight back and probably then some..not sure, he hasn't told me how much he weighs and I have not asked. So I asked if they wanted a cupcake, they said yes. End of story.
While I do generally have healthy food in the house you can certainly still overeat. I have clif bars 250 cal each..why not eat a whole box..they are kinda healthy. I also have Medjool dates..those are about 140 per2 dates..lets eat a pound, not a big deal they are healthy!? Get the gist?
I eat every 2 hours so yes the steps eat on my time. I also prepare all of the meals so it only seems fair that since I am the one preparing, measuring out portions and then also doing the clean up of said meals they will be on my time.
I also eat and average of 1800-1900 cals per day I also drink 8 glasses of water. SD usually eats around what I eat and SS is given around 2000 per day..I am not sure of their water intake as water is available to them freely and I do not watch them to make sure they consume 8 full glasses. Please keep in mind this is for a wopping 4 days a month.
Hmmm, this sounds like one of
Hmmm, this sounds like one of my nieces. She's obese, and also sneaks food. Definately some sort of eating disorder. I DO agree with Sue that he should get some counseling, and maybe go to a nutritinalist, but if BM is not on board there's not a lot you can do. My niece , I feel so bad for her, she's been fat shamed her whole life by her mom(no skinny minny herself I might add) and MIL. I think that fueled the sneaking. Example: I love to cook, and during football season I make lots of fun "tailgate" food. I had an appetizer table out in the livingroom, and we were all in the kitchen for a minute, except for niece. We go back in and she had eaten half a dish of taco dip. But she won't eat it IN FRONT of us. Poor thing.
He has been to nutritionists
He has been to nutritionists and counseling. BM is not supportive at all really. Despite what people here may think I am not mean to him, I do not make fun of him in anyway. DH and I have done nothing but support him. It is incredibly frustrating when the kid is his own worst enemy.
So at what point do we just do what we want to do regardless of whether or not SS can participate. For example around 10am I asked the kids if they wanted to go for a walk. They both said yes..we all headed out probably about 50 steps in SS says my asthma is acting up and then asks SD to walk him back to the house. SS has his set excuses that he uses for specific situations and I can call out what he is going to say depending on the activty. 6 years and he has yet to use his inhaler but with the way his asthma "acts up". He also as you can see has now pulled SD out of the activiy..this happens all the time.
So I am at that point where we eat the way we do because that is how it is in my home. I don'tlike the sneaking food thing but am not sure how to handle it. I have resigned myself to the fact that unless his mother is willing to put in some effort at her home nothing is going to get better for him.
Well why not? Facts are
Well why not? Facts are facts.
Someone who is 150-200 pounds
Someone who is 150-200 pounds overweight has SEVERE psychological issues. A friend of mine who is a psych professional and addiction specialist is a recovering alcoholic (30 years sober) - but she is now almost 200 lbs overweight and even she will admit that she traded one addiction for another.
There's no comparison with someone who even has 50 extra pounds with someone who is 200 or even 300 pounds overweight.
Children should be taught good nutritional habits. But an addiction is something totally different - and no one can force an addict to get clean.
20-30 pounds is not even
20-30 pounds is not even close to being 150-200 pounds overweight. It's not the same thing at all.
Again this is nothing new. We
Again this is nothing new. We do not sit and pity him, that is part of the reason he is in this situation now. We do however encourage him when he makes the right choices and takes steps to improve. As of right now he has stopped wanting to make any progress and there isn't a damn thing we can do about that.
I am sure he does qualify for surgery now,last time I checked his age was the only requirement he did not meet and now that he is 16 I believe he meets all requirements. Again not a damn thing my DH can do about this as the mother does not see any issues with his weight.
I suppose we will just find a way to tacfully tell him we are going to do XYZ without him. This is what I struggle with the most. Over the years when they are over we have been limited more and more due to his restrictions. This isn't fair to SD.
Overcoming addiction, even
Overcoming addiction, even with all kinds of support, is incredibly difficult. I wish I had some practical advice for you that might help the situation.
Your big issue is doing family activities with SS, but he can't participate even though he obviously wants to. How to handle that?
Maybe set the bar low at first. Like, if you have a puppy, an adult dog and an old dog, you might go around the block with all three, then depending on how the puppy and old dog are doing, they might stay at home while you go to the park with the adult dog.
So when you invite the skids to go for a walk, it's just a short walk with a stopping point. In fact, a great idea is to have several stopping points, so that SS can, for example, wait at a bench at some point while you and SD go around the block again, then he joins you for the final circuit home.
I think finding ways for him to join you doing 'normal' stuff is more important than him joining in theme parks (unless you go to the theme park a lot) because it's more real life, and will give him tools for adapting in other situations as well.
Now that he is 16 (in my
Now that he is 16 (in my mind, he is pretty much an adult at that age ie you can't force him to do what he doesn't want to) all you can do is continue to give him the tools that he can use when/if he decides he wants to do something about his weight plus plenty of love, support and acceptance. It sounds like you guys have been doing that and have helped him find physical activities he likes doing and teaching him about nutritional content of food and what constitutes a healthy diet.
My only other suggestion is seeing if he would respond well to a weight loss group - they can give lots of praise for loosing weight and doing well (if that is what he craves) and support when things don't go so well. I recall reading that the best way to loose weight is with help of a support group but also that of those that are obese only about 15% will ever be successful at loosing and then controlling their weight. Statistically he is unlikely to ever not be obese, sad I know, but at some stage it might be worth just accepting that.
As for the days out: I would say that if you want to treat SD for a day out at the theme park, then go for it. But you might also then want to even things out a bit and have a treat for SS too... a day out or a class or tickets to see a music concert he wants to go to (if you think you spend $100 on a day at the theme park, you can get him something pretty nice for that and I'm sure he won't mind as much about not going to the theme park if you phrase it diplomatically). As long as SS isn't being left out every weekend he is with you guys and it is just occasionally I don't see a problem with it.
I don't think it's fair to
I don't think it's fair to say overweight people have an addiction or have psychological problems. You're just adding to the fat shaming. Last year before I started working out I was 150 pounds overweight. Close to 300lbs, and I never ate fast food or sat around and eating Doritos on the couch. And no, it's not like a drug addiction where you make a choice to go stand on the corner and buy crack, you have to eat to live so it's not like you can just quit. Leave him alone, when he decides to make a change he will. But you hovering over it won't make a difference.
Not all overweight people
Not all overweight people have addiction or mental health issues. But, IMHO, when you're seeing food hoarding, gorging, worrying about if certain foods will be available, there is, at least on some level, a disordered relationship with food.
And addiction can be purely on a physiological level. Most people living in first-world conditions are addicted to carbs - and are overweight. Our bodies prefer to have extra fat, our brains tell us to seek sugar and salt, and our culture provides an over-abundance... reinforcing the cycle. Not a personal weakness, in case that's how my comment was perceived.
From what I'm reading you're
From what I'm reading you're a really good stepmom dealing with a kid that has a terrible health issue. You have him EOW so this is not a problem that you created but one one that you get to deal with. You're trying to include him and showing him healthy ways of eating in your own home, Good Job!
This is an issue for his parents, DH and BM to deal with and it sounds like they're just ignoring it. Besides being dangerously overweight he's also at the lovely age of 16 where he may not really be interested in doing what his little sister is doing. If he wants to tag along with you and SD then fine but I'd make it known ahead of time (you're the adult you make the rules) that if he needs to duck out that he'll walk home ALONE or if he want to sit out rides that he'll do it ALONE.
There are doctors who think
There are doctors who think it's a form of child abuse when a child is allowed to become morbidly obese. 350 at 16 is large. How tall is he?
It sounds like it he would do well to join a weight-loss group geared at morbidly obese's kids. Plus I would look on websites about this subject that could give insight as to how supportive parents should proceed. You're in a difficult situation for sure and it sounds like his mother is not going to be helpful in getting him to be a healthy person. No one needs bags of candy for themselves at Halloween.
At 16, he is old enough to go to an amusement park and be by himself should he not be able to keep up with you guys. Let him see firsthand the difficulty of being morbidly obese and wanting to play in the world. Don't say anything condescending or mean to him, just let him be and let him see for himself what it is like. Treat him as you do SD. Just make sure he has a phone with him so you can find him after you guys are done playing on rides.
BethAnn, thank you for your
BethAnn, thank you for your comment and advice. I will ask DH if a weight loss group is something that has been tried and/or is available to him. I feel that is something he would truly enjoy.
Thank you for the suggestion of treatng him to something equal that he would enjoy. Seems simple but I was so hung up on how to tell him that we are going to do XYZ with it being something he cannot do. Having something planned for him will hopfully lessen the blow.
What about taking him with
What about taking him with you guys? There are benches all over the park if he's unable to ride to certain rides.
The last time we went to the
The last time we went to the park that is what happened. He sat in the sun on benches for most of the day because he is not able to go on 99% of the rides. He is only 5'5- 5'6 and is quite large. The workers at the park did their best but simply could not buckle, strap or fasten him into any of the rides. Who wants to sit on benches all day and in the sun to boot?
He was around 11-12 when this took place so since then SD has missed out on county fairs, theme parks and basically anything that is difficult for her brother.
I think offering him something of equal value is a great idea and will talk it over with DH.
Sounds good. I hope the talk
Sounds good. I hope the talk goes well.
Yeah I was thinking
Yeah I was thinking that..will talk to DH and then DH will talk to BM. BM really doesnt see the problem and since he spends the majority of the time at her home it makes everything much more difficult even when he is honestly giving it his all.