For Thinkthrice - The story of The List
and another lovely little one step up and two steps back moment from this morning.
So, DH made a few tweaks to The List to make it more specific. I was feeling a little better on Saturday, so I asked DH if ASS had mentioned The List to him yet. In fact, yes, it seems that ASS said “so, are we gonna do this contract thing or what?” on Friday night. DH decided to head into ASS’s room with The List.
I was in the kitchen while this was happening, so while I could hear that they were talking, I couldn’t hear what they were saying. DH was in there for a long time, but he finally came out of ASS’s room. I asked him what happened and he told me that ASS was upset that there were no “requirements” for us. BINGO! Just as I predicted. DH said that he told ASS that it didn’t work that way, took back the list and then left ASS’s room. When I asked him what was going to happen next, he said he was trying to send the message that there was no room for negotiation and he was going to let ASS stew for a little while. Um, okay, dude.
Yesterday came and went. I was finally off the damn Vicodin, so I took a little drive out to Rockstar’s college town and took him to lunch. He is the midst of interviewing for internships for the summer (which will hopefully turn into offers upon graduation) and needed a new pair of shoes. We had a lovely time. When I got home, I watched a little football, did a little laundry and generally had a very nice evening.
This morning, however, was a different story. I came downstairs to find ASS, Baby Voice and Karate Kid in the kitchen. No big deal, right? BabyVoice and Karate Kid were at the table, and ASS was standing at the counter watching his toast in the toaster. I headed into the pantry to feed the cat and, of course, one of the pantry cabinet doors was open. I closed it and kept walking down the hall. I grabbed the cat bowls and walked back into the kitchen to find the toaster on the counter and ASS sitting at the table. Now, I love my kitchen, but the one thing it doesn’t have is very much counter space.
I turned to ASS – whose chief complaint, don’t forget, is that he doesn’t want to be ordered to do anything, he would prefer to be asked – and said very sweetly, “ASS, can you please put the toaster away so I can have a little space?” “NOT UNTIL I FINISH MY TOAST!” was the response. I asked again, “ASS, can you please put the toaster away?” “CAN’T YOU FUCKING WAIT?”
I headed upstairs, walked into our bathroom and ordered DH to go downstairs and deal with his son. He goes down to the kitchen, asks ASS what happened and ASS unleashed a fury of expletives at DH. Typically, ASS saves those nuggets for me, and I was surprised to hear him speak this way to DH. An argument ensues, culminating in DH throwing ASS’s plate of toast into his room and then physically moving ASS out of the kitchen and into his bedroom. I went about my business feeding the cat, making my coffee, making my lunch and generally ignoring the situation. When I was done, I went upstairs to hop in the shower.
DH is in the bathroom, and said to me, “why did you have to start something?” UM, EXCUSE ME???? “I didn’t start anything, DH, I merely did what he requested and ASKED HIM VERY NICELY to please put the toaster away so I could have some space. Why on EARTH are you angry at ME when YOUR kid was the asshole here?” DH said blah blah blah blah why can’t you just ignore it blah blah blah. “Because I get to ask people who live in my house to do things, dude. Without being sworn at and without attitude.”
Still not speaking to DH. Jerk…
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I was going to stay at work
I was going to stay at work until 5pm despite being here sine 7am wanting to know how "The List" turned out.
a) how is the toaster not firmly embedded in your H head?
b) how is ASS not electronicsless?
c) how is showing by example, using please and thank, starting something?
d) where does your fortitude for this punk come from?
a) because it's a brand new
a) because it's a brand new toaster and I really like it
b) he is still electronicless - has been since August 18th
c) I have no idea how saying please and thank you equates starting something
d) if you mean how do I have the strength to not punch this fucker in the face, I have no idea. Divine intervention???
That's some serious
That's some serious intervention going on. I was a cheeky teen. I mouthed off at my mom along these lines "why can't Angela sleep over. What's wrong with you I can never have friends sleep over youre a mean mother!" My mom is smaller than me. She picked me up & slammed me against the wall and said "watch it missy, I've had enough of your smart mouth."
I did not mouth off at her again until I was 35 and she interfered with my parenting of my daughter. I don't understand your H style of discipline.
I'd sell ASS electronics.
trust me, if ASS was my kid,
trust me, if ASS was my kid, I would have slapped him across the mouth before slamming him into the wall.
DH doesn't have a style of discipline, that's for sure.
would that be before or after
would that be before or after throwing the toast across the room, OR plate and all into the trash??
after, definitely after.
after, definitely after.
pst: nerd or nerf? Because if
pst: nerd or nerf? Because if there really is a nerd gun my H needs it. He loves gadgets!
A Nerd Gun would be one that
A Nerd Gun would be one that shoots Nerd candies...
That is your DH's answer to
That is your DH's answer to all of this? He wants you to tiptoe around ASS so that he does not have to deal with him and his assholeness? So, therapy and "the list" is just his way of looking like he's doing something about the situation (to appease you), when he really doesn't want to do anything at all.
that is almost what I said to
that is almost what I said to DH verbatim!!!
"wanna know why I have to say something? Because I am not afraid of him like you are"
Boom - dropped that mic and walked off the stage
I have limited counter space
I have limited counter space as well and expect my Skids to put the toaster back under the counter when finished. If they don't after I ask nicely, the toaster gets hidden and I'm the only one that gets to eat toast for awhile. That only had to happen once in my house, but your dealing with a whole other level of crazy with ASS.
I don't think I could deal with being cursed at in my own home. Honestly, the second that kid put his hands on you, he should have been out of the house. IMO
Oooh I think the toaster is
Oooh I think the toaster is going to be moved and hidden when I get home from work. Just like when ASS took his laundry basket and ran it through the kitty poop that inadvertently popped out of the litter box rather than pick up said kitty poop resulted in the loss of the use of the laundry basket, so too goes the toaster.
Right. New rule: No toaster
Right. New rule: No toaster usage for anyone who can't simply put the toaster back where it belongs. Or anything else for that matter.
Yup - he lost the privilege
Yup - he lost the privilege of having a laundry basket in his room and now everyone except me will pay the price of not having access to the toaster.
too bad, so sad.
How long do you think it will
How long do you think it will take them to work out that they can toast bread in the oven? Who will work it out first?
they will never figure it
they will never figure it out. It will never occur to them that something other than a toaster can toast.
Toaster? What toaster?? Isn't
Toaster? What toaster?? Isn't it where it belongs? No? Gosh, I just don't know where it could be. Who used it last?
We have a rule in our house. If you leave it on the floor, it goes in the garbage. If you leave the TV remote on the floor, you lose the TV. So. You leave the toaster out and don't put it away? Enjoy your bread.
“why did you have to start
“why did you have to start something?”
ah the lovely deflection and counter-accusing. that actually may be a good sign - he does not WANT to blame his kid, or blame himself for raising him that way. but it's starting to hit home more and more, and it's starting to hurt, he may be trying to protect his fragile ego.
i wonder if sally's tactic would work on him - instead of anger and irritation, show him pain, hurt feelings, and frustration. “why did you have to start something?” "*sniff* i try and try, he didnt want to be told so i asked him nicely not once but twice! and *sobs* no matter what i do, he still treats me like shit... i try and try.... *sniff*"
u are a strong-willed woman, dh knows how you're going to react. it may throw him for a loop to see a different reaction. he seems to have this knee-jerk reaction to protect his kids and himself. something's gotta give for him to drop that act.
Yep - true dat.
Yep - true dat.
Once again, ye olde paper
Once again, ye olde paper tiger arises. Symbolism over substance. The guilty parent's go to. "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas." -Hippy parents of Ned Flanders on the Simpsons.
If I EVER even THOUGHT about talking that way to ANY adult I wouldn't have survived the beating!!!
Did you really expect any
Did you really expect any different reaction?
not from ASS, but certainly
not from ASS, but certainly from DH. Especially since I did the one thing ASS wanted, which was ask him to do something.
I was actually talking about
I was actually talking about ass but now that you put it out there, yea...DH also.
This is what DH is seeing...you and his son HATE each other with a passion.
Why engage with SS, at all, since you both hate each other and since you knew SS would react like that. The toaster could have waited a few minutes. So why did you engage him KNOWING that he would flip his shit? Again...the toaster could have waited a few minutes. This is what DH is seeing.
Actually, no, the toaster
Actually, no, the toaster couldn't have waited a few minutes.
And, I will tell you the same thing that I told DH - I get to make requests of the people with whom I live.
And, one of the things that ASS said he "needed" was for me to ask him to do things (which I always did anyway) instead of demanding that he do something. I gave ASS what he asked for and it STILL didn't matter, Willow.
Yup - if it was the old
Yup - if it was the old toaster, I totally would have thrown it across the room. But, it's a brand new one and I really like it - lol!!
I am so irritated with DH...
After ASS was such an ASS and
After ASS was such an ASS and pitched his hissy fit, I would have picked up that facking toaster and left the room with it. And ASS would never see the damn toaster EVER again.
hmmm. maybe when u're about
hmmm. maybe when u're about to say something to him, you can hit the record button on your phone before piping up.
then u can just hit 'play' for dh and walk away when the recording is done. no words, no emotions, no argument, no accusations. may come in handy for the therapist - if dh doesnt take any action about ASS' attitude, you can play it for her and get input on what would be a productive way of dealing with him.
I don't think I will be
I don't think I will be giving any time or attention to this issue anymore.
ASS proved my point today - that it's NOT about being asked to do something vs being told to do something. It is, as I have said for years now, that he doesn't want to do anything he doesn't want to do and if he thinks that whatever he is asked to do is stupid/irrelevant/unproductive/whatthefuckever he isn't going to do it.
oh shit i just said that to
oh shit i just said that to dh last night - "he only wants what he wants to have or do, and only when he wants it."
maybe no words, just actions? he leaves the toaster out when u need counter space for coffee and to make lunch, so WOB simply removes the toaster. same for anything else...
i did that sat. w/ yss. had friends over, he and the other boys were making paper airplanes. i'd asked them several times to pick them up, of course it never happened so i let it go. next one that flew past my head, i caught it midair and crumpled it in one fist. then calmly returned to watching the game, ignoring any protests and arguments.
}:)
i remember one time when they were arguing, kaos SCREAMED at dh - "*I* DO WHAATT **IIIIIII** WAAAANT!"
*sigh* we can just pray to hold on to our sanity by a skinny li'l thread until 18 y.o......
WOB...this my response to you
WOB...this my response to you above...not sure why it ended up down here.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I know...I said this is the way your DH is looking at this situation. Wrong or right it how he is seeing it. Or it is the way he is MAKING himself see it.
Don't you hate the way the
Don't you hate the way the threads appear sometimes? I think it has to do with replying to the original comment or replying to a comment on the original comment.
Yeah - I am sure that's exactly how he sees it. I also hope that he now sees that "giving" ASS what he wants - asking him to do something instead of demanding it - doesn't do a dog damn thing, either.
How do you restrain yourself?
How do you restrain yourself? I would not physically touch him but I would verbally slash that fucktard to ribbons.
He's such a pathetic POS that even his own mother doesn't want him.
I got my verbal licks in when
I got my verbal licks in when he was throwing his little hissy fit at DH, don't you worry about that }:)
"ASS, are you going to be a dick your whole life or just for the next few years?"
"oh, really, you're going to leave as soon as you turn 18? Let me mark the date on my calendar."
"did you really just tell me to fuck off? It's a good thing you're not my kid or else I would - nah, I will just say it's a good thing you're not my kid."