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Meeting with Therapist

WalkOnBy's picture

Last night with Therapist was interesting. We haven’t seen her in awhile due to my grandmother’s death, dealing with the estate, the holidays, the situation with having to move my Grams's friend, and her move blah blah blah blah….we spent the first 10 minute or so filling her in about the situation between Karate Kid and ASS, how DH and I spent our time without the skids, etc….

We briefly covered the pigsty, aka ASS’s room, and I showed her the pictures. She asked me what I wanted done. I told her that I want the room clean, like yesterday! She said that while teens tend to have messy rooms, the problem I have with the food and the potential problems with that was important and needed to be addressed. DH said he would tell ASS that he had until Friday after school to clean it up himself or we would go in there and deal with it ourselves. While I thought that it should be sooner than Friday, I conceded. I know it’s not going to be done, and I will have ZERO problem going in the mahverahownself while ASS is at the library this weekend. I will throw every thing away. I told DH this. He said okay.

We then moved on to what will happen with ASS after he turns 18 and/or graduates from high school.
Therapist told DH that whatever ASS chooses to do after he turns 18 is on HIM and not on DH. That DH has done everything possible to give this kid every single advantage and the kid has turned his back on every single thing. DH said that his biggest fear is that ASS will end up on the streets.

Therapist asked him, “and what if he does? What will you do?” DH said “I would find him a cheap apartment.” I lost it. I said, “why would you do that? Why would YOU pay for his apartment? Why shouldn’t HE be responsible for his own stupid situation that his own stupid decisions and beliefs put him in?”

Lots of discussion followed, with me repeating that if an ADULT chooses to be a dick, than that ADULT should NOT be enabled by his father and Therapist reminding DH that all the research as well as common sense says that enabling your ADULT kid is NOT the way to go. In the end, DH asked why ASS couldn’t stay in the house post high school if he was working full time and paying rent? I went to open my mouth, but before anything could come out, he answered his own question. “Because he won’t follow our rules or respect our house.” Therapist and I were nodding our heads in agreement.

She told DH that he needs to come up with the plan for ASS and let the brat know what will happen when he graduates high school. She suggested that he not use the words “when you turn 18” because ASS will still be in school and the goal is to get him through high school. She said that even if ASS tries to argue or refuses to participate in the conversation, he still needs to hear that there is a plan and it will be followed. DH agreed to come up with a plan by the time we meet with Therapist in two weeks.

We will sit down this weekend and come up with the launch plan. I feel bad for DH, because I understand his concern for his stupid kid, but tough love comes very naturally to me (thanks to my parents’ experience with my brother) and not at all naturally to him. As DH was falling asleep last night, I whispered in his ear, “remember, you can live with HIM or you can live with ME. Please don’t make me prove to you that I mean that.”
And, so it goes.

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WalkOnBy's picture

He will graduate. He gets excellent grades, but doesn't take hard classes. He would excel if DH ever pushed him into AP classes, but DH didn't.

luv2luv's picture

Let's pretend for a moment your DH gets ASS a cheap apartment. 6 months into new apartment, ASS has no job, no responsibilities and continues to not care. What happens then? Getting him an apartment just transfers the problem from one location to the other, it doesn't change the problem. I do feel bad for your DH but setting ASS up separately is not the answer to get him to act like a decent person.

WalkOnBy's picture

and THAT is almost verbatim what Therapist said to DH.

DH is just going to have let go and let ASS learn that he is, well, an ASS.

WalkOnBy's picture

OMG - that is all.

Oh, wait, one more thing. My TWINs are 20 and in college and I don't support them. Why on EARTH would I want to support another ADULT??

That is all.

WalkOnBy's picture

I posted this elsewhere, Echo, but remember when you posited yesterday that maybe that other site was down for maintenance and somebody came back here?

I completely, totally, 100% think you are correct.

I think this is someone that we all know well who is effing with us for a reaction.

From this point forward, I won't play. I will delete anything it posts on my blogs.

Fair warning.

misSTEP's picture

Me too. I always feel like the kid who came late to the game and doesn't know the rules. Haha

Tuff Noogies's picture

dont forget to hug him more. and make d@mn good use of that sticker chart!!! for every good breath he draws he needs a sticker, donchaknow...

quick question tho', wob - what is the purpose of a "plan"? is not The Plan already set - as in "when you graduate highschool, you move out"???

WalkOnBy's picture

to let him know that he will have to go to college or move out. It's basically more of a formal notice and less of a plan.

Tuff Noogies's picture

i still dont see the sense in that. there has to be a formality to making it known "hey kid, upon graduation, you handle your own college education OR you're out." lather, rinse, repeat several times a week until graduation day.

if he did not epitimize his nickname, i miiiight be giving enough to let him go the summer to see if he found employment or enrollment. but w/ his attitude? naaaahhhh.

WalkOnBy's picture

well, as someone pointed out elsewhere on this blog, it really wouldn't be okay to just unceremoniously lower the boom. Besides, I am going to make sure that ASS is fully aware all along the way, so that there is no way he can walk around and legitimately tell folks we did him wrong.

robin333's picture

Didn't he excel on the ACT? Hopefully, he will get a scholarship. I can't believe I am hoping something positive happens to ASS- but it gets him OUT of your home.

WalkOnBy's picture

he did excel and he did get a partial scholarship, but he won't got to college because he would have to take out a loan and/or work and he believes that since he didn't ask to be born, then he shouldn't have to pay for college.

No, seriously.

WalkOnBy's picture

He's going to make a million dollars doing SEO.

Or at least that is what he tells himself in his head.

misSTEP's picture

If only someone could get it through his thick skull that he is hurting HIMSELF more than anyone else by not taking advantage of the privileges he does and COULD have instead of continually whining about how life sucks so badly for him.

DaizyDuke's picture

Does the kid have a job yet? You can't expect this "kid" to be a kid one day, then bam the day he graduates he's an adult and he's on his own. If he doesn't have a job, your DH needs to stress the importance of getting one. I'm guessing there are no plans for college of any sort.. so a job is really his only chance at successfully launching?

I guess my point is that your DH needs to start the transitioning process NOW. And why in the world would YOU go in his room and throw shit out... let your DH handle that! You know ASS will be ticked about it, so why give him yet another reason to be ticked at you?

WalkOnBy's picture

He had a job at Burger King in the summer of 2014 but he quit because the manager was an idiot.

DH has stressed the importance of getting a job. ASS thinks he is going to make $10K a month doing SEO, and he refuses to get a job.

You know, Daizy, you can talk and talk until you're blue in the face, but the reality is that you can't make someone get a job. Such is the case with ASS. He has been told to get a job. He has been spoken to about how to become an adult. He refuses any and all suggestions.

As for why would I go into his room? Because I don't GAF what he thinks and it's my house. I will go any damn place I please in my house. When he is at the library this weekend, assuming I am not spending all weekend at my Aunt's condo getting it ready to sell, I will go in there and take everything that's on the floor and put it in garbage bags. I will vacuum the floor.

I don't care if ASS gets pissed off...

misSTEP's picture

So, his dad needs to tell him that he needs to START doing SEO. START making this mythical amount he feels he will earn. Then he can move out AND drop out of school if he wants AND not have to listen to or follow ANY rules whatsoever! In fact, he doesn't even have to darken the world with his presence! Just stick to the internet and never go out.

I would totally go gung ho pushing him towards that (of course, being SUPPORTIVE of his vision) }:) just to see it play out.

WalkOnBy's picture

He has been doing some for about six months. Money made to date? $600. See, in order to learn how to do SEO, it usually helps to have some IT training, as you know Smile

In the beginning, DH did everything he could to encourage ASS. Bought him books, tried to teach him everything he knew (DH was the National SEO Director for a MAJOR auto maker for years) and ASS rejected all attempts.

WalkOnBy's picture

DH will choose me. We have been telling ASS for MONTHS that he needs to get a job and get ready for the outside world.

DH said last night that the ONLY way he would EVER let ASS stay in the house (if I agreed, of course) was if he was willing to respect our rules and our home and we both know he won't do that.

WalkOnBy's picture

No, DH isn't backing down. He knows I won't agree and we all know that ASS won't agree to our rules.

We will figure out the date when we talk about it. DH is convinced that ASS will try to leave the day he turns 18. I don't think he will. I think he will stay until graduation.

One of the things that I need to convince DH of is that the front door is a one way door. ASS doesn't get to leave in March, stay out for a couple days and then come back. Once you're out, you are out.

THESE are the kinds of things that ASS needs to be told.

notasm3's picture

You might not be ever able to put a child out but others have done this. BM did not allow SS back in her home after 18. DH did until he evicted SS and literally put him on the street.

SS30 had to figure out how to get by on his own.

Tuff Noogies's picture

sure u can! dad did w/ my bro when he was 16. he was packing his bags before dad even reached his bedroom door. he asked "where do u want me to drop u off?"

that was it. yup, it really IS that easy.

WalkOnBy's picture

My parents put my own brother out the door when he was 17.

I am a FIRM believer in pushing adult kids out the door, especially when they are assholes.

WalkOnBy's picture

he's not willing to take out loans because he didn't ask to be born and it's our job to send him to college.

WalkOnBy's picture

DH did. Told him almost verbatim that very thing.

When they were driving back from the one and only college visit, DH told him that we were not willing to help him with school if he wasn't willing to make an investment in his future.

WalkOnBy's picture

BUT - does your kid tell you to fuck off on a regular basis?

Does your kid follow your rules??

Does your kid hate your very guts??

Believe me, I know how to launch kids Smile

misSTEP's picture

He thinks he's so smart but yet does ANYONE ask to be born? It's a logical impossibility. Therefore, the only people who should be going to college are those people who have their tuition paid FOR them. It'd be interesting to find the breakdown of students who have their tuition paid FOR them (via parents, scholarships or whatever) versus students who did NOT (loans, savings etc).

I'm surprised that he doesn't cop this kind of attitude with everyone. I'm surprised that your DH isn't getting calls left and right from the school regarding his behavior.

WalkOnBy's picture

" I'm surprised that your DH isn't getting calls left and right from the school regarding his behavior."

That is the conundrum, misSTEP, we don't. Because he doesn't pull this shit at school.

It's only at home that he is an effing asshole. THAT is why we are pissed. He treats us with complete and utter disdain and we are sick of it.

WalkOnBy's picture

The key being that they were fairly happy at home.

ASS is not happy, and now no one else is happy that he is there, either.

WalkOnBy's picture

" Bottom line is he will need to turn his back on him so ASS can see how tough life can be. "

Yep - and I think DH will NOT enable it, but for now, he is really struggling with the idea of his kid making stupid choices and trying not to feel bad about the natural consequences.

DPW's picture

In this case, I would let DH pay rent for ASS but only for 6 months after graduation with the main goal of getting his butt out of my house. It's a cheap price to pay. If ASS can't get his sh*t together by the end of 6 months, too bad, so sad.

WalkOnBy's picture

BINGO!!

That has been the focus for me for a while now - getting DH to let go of the vision that HE had for ASS's future.

He is making tiny baby steps.