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Vaccinations causes autism, what?

MidwestStepmom's picture

I was having a heated debate last night with an old friend. He got a girl he knew for only a month pregnant and now that baby is 3 months, not long enought to really get to know each other's values.

Anyways, the debate was that this BM believed the MMR vaccination causes Autism. I wanted to slap her silly, but I couldn't.

I'm just curious how many more people beleive this and why? Where did you find you supporting evidence? I have a cousion that is an EVP for the CDC in LA and she has a doctorate in epidemiology from Harvard. She assures me on any questions I have about related issues. She said there is no direct link.

I'm worried about my BS1 interacting with children that are not vaccinated. Luckily he's had his vaccinations, but still.

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MidwestStepmom's picture

Thanks for your suggestion, but I'm going to leave it up for awhile. I'm truly interested in knowing why people beleive this.

Glassslipper's picture

Recent research is exploring the theory that Autism is caused by a virus (similar to polio)

That the cause is NOT vaccines, but rather, getting vaccines while the body is ALREADY fighting the Autism virus.

MD appts for vaccines can extensive, I recall my children leaving with 5 shots in one appointment.

If the body is already fighting the "Autism virus" and you over task the system with multiple virus given via shot to also build an immunity too, theory is, the body may not have as much of a fighting chance against the Autism virus.

Parents who believe this theory, get one shot at a time, and come back every month if needed to let the body recover and build an immunity to each vaccine before adding more.

Glassslipper's picture

I do believe it is a virus, similar to polio.
In polio some children lost the ability to use their legs, some children lost all movement and couldn't even breath without a lung machine.

I do believe that the Autism virus causes the same "spectrum" as polio did in the amount of damage it causes.

Glassslipper's picture

What I'm trying to say is that the virus is similar to polio as in, it was a virus that caused damage to the body and had a spectrum result.
Not anything to do with it affinity to inflict humans of different age ranges.

I'm saying the normal healthy body can fight the "autism virus" but when you over task the system with vaccines, it may not be able to fully fight the "autism virus"

I think were closer to finding a virus, it then the general population might believe.

Glassslipper's picture

oh, ok.
Well were all entitled to our opinions.
But I think the research is leaning to explain it in terms of the virus attacks and prohibits the future development in the synapse relay at a vital time in brain development, already established in the adult species.

Polio the virus itself, did the damage to the body, it was not the body immune response to polio that caused the damage.

An immune response is inflammation, swelling, fever.
The most damage the body can do to itself in an immune response is to swell the throat past breathing capacity or spike a fever so high it cooks the brain.

There is no records or data to show that children with Autism had fevers high enough to cause the disorder.

Glassslipper's picture

lol.
It is all good, its not my theory. lol
I do stem cell research not viral research but were all kinda in the same group with the bio-regenerative medicine, so I follow the theory, and watch all the new moms go in every 2 weeks for vaccines trying to protect the little ones.

I hope the research moves quickly for autism.

NoWireCoatHangarsEVER's picture

My SD13 has type 1 diabetes which is an autoimmune disease and her doctors are saying current research is also telling them a virus probably lead to her having diabetes

MidwestStepmom's picture

Sure, but how is autism played into this? If we apply your theory, then some children that get the MMR vaccination might contract one of those diseases.

Glassslipper's picture

I don't think your understanding the theory.
The viruses given in a vaccine are dead, you can't get the illness from a dead vaccine.

Glassslipper's picture

I wish I could.
I'm a research nurse, so most my breakthroughs come from my medical journals I have subscriptions too and you would need my user name and password to access them online.

I believe there might be rudimentary data on the google Smile

Glassslipper's picture

YEP! That's the planned and current trial theory.

MMR is measles, mumps, and rubella.
That's 3 viruses the body has to react to.

Breaking it down to one virus per shot, one shot per month/2 weeks.
Just might be the break through they are looking for.

MidwestStepmom's picture

I always consult her on any questions I have regarding vaccinations or media related articles about recent outbreaks.

My ss13 is ASD, so it's not like I don't know what the other side looks like.

ChokinOnLemonz's picture

My daughter was a little different from other babies but still a pretty bright, happy baby. Then at two she caught a viral illness and lost her speech, developed autism.

My 9 year old very likely has aspergers according to some recent evaluations

AllySkoo's picture

Not just "flawed". Andrew Wakefield falsified research, with the intent of deliberately creating a "scare" so he could profit from a medical testing venture. His claims have been utterly debunked and he has been disbarred (or the UK equivalent). He is directly responsible for the deaths of countless children and I hope he goes straight to hell.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Yup, this one was one of the articles that struck me--some have had a lot of success with fecal transplants (yup, exactly as it sounds.)

Monchichi's picture

I walked right into the skids eating debate just a few days in here Sad and was royally bogged on. I am making note of the other two and NEVER raising them on here Blum 3

MidwestStepmom's picture

I think everyone is still maintaining a level of respect. If there is name calling, then I will delete.

Glassslipper's picture

I always like it better when there is SOLID medical theory and research behind the discussion too!

kathc's picture

I'm sorry, I won't read the responses before posting because I don't want to get sucked into the debate. You asked a question and I'm answering.

A lot of people believe vaccines cause autism because Jenny McCarthy wrote a book and went crazy telling everyone that her son had autism and it was caused by vaccines he'd gotten.

I hate her for the fact that it's since been proven that her son never had autism, he's got something entirely different that is apparently regulated by diet (I don't recall the details but after she started claiming that autism could be cured through diet changes it came out that her son is NOT autistic) but she's been fairly quiet and not shouting how wrong she was like I believe she SHOULD be.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

"Evan's disorder began with seizures and his improvement occurred after the seizures were treated, symptoms experts have noted are more consistent with Landau–Kleffner syndrome, often misdiagnosed as autism.[5][6] She has denied that her son was misdiagnosed."

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

There's nothing that's 100% safe in this world, but if you could prevent your child from 99.99% from developing one of the things that could kill then, would you? I mean polio, smallpox, meningitis--these things are not like a common cold. They killed indiscriminately. When we vaccinate, it is also to protect those who cannot protect themselves (immunocompromised children/babies/the elderly.) I wonder what those who choose not to vaccinate believe eradicated smallpox? I mean, if you choose not to vaccinate, what would make you feel would be safe enough to vaccinate? Remember, polio, smallpox, meningitis, and any of the diseases that cause high fevers WILL also cause neurological damage that could make your child autistic. I mean, do they figure they should just benefit from everyone else being vaccinated, because that's what's going on.

I also believe true autism food related, but in terms that it came through genetics. There have been numerous studies on how autistic children seem to improve when put on a special diet (I forgot what they took out of it) and how they would slide backwards if taken off of it.

One of my professors (I majored in Autism and Behavior Modification during college) said that it's also because so many parents/doctors are intent on diagnosing children with autism (many due to the benefits they could receive) and because they don't want to take responsibility for not finding the right "language" to improve their child's behavior (because every child is different) and that if their kid is getting picked on/bullied in school/doesn't have many friends, they'd rather blame something like being "on the spectrum" than having not taught their children how to make friends (Social "skills" which indicates its something that needs to be developed/practiced--eye contact/how to talk/how to notice other people's special features is something that needs to be taught too, for some.) He was a great professor who made huge leaps and bounds in the area of behavior modification for the austism by figuring out what the children really needed to feel safe and secure so they could make improvements. He and his wife died halfway through my last class with him--front end car crash by a drunk driver.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Also wanted to add that ADHD/ADD has been on the rise as well in terms of how many children are diagnosed--but you'll notice them less in children of Asian descent because paying attention/concentration is a skill that needs to be developed too. There's an article from France about why it seems other countries have less ADHD/ADD--mainly early exercises in concentrating for children are the norm.