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amber3902's picture

My D8 has been struggling with reading ever since she started school. I had her tested for learning disabilities, vision, ADHD, etc. the whole run down in first grade by the school. They said she didn't have a disability or anything like that.

Since July of last year, I've had a tutor see her once a week. When she started second grade last fall, the school also had her in a program for kids that scored low in reading. By the end of the first semester, her reading had improved enough that she no longer qualified for the school's program.

So she has made some improvement, however, she is still two levels below for her grade level. She should be on level J and she's on level H.

In addition to the tutor, we read almost every night and I have her watch PBS shows like SuperWhy. I also just purchased the Hooked on Phonics software for ages 7 and up.

I'm just concerned because it seems when she reads she does not retain information.
For example, she'll come to the word "quickly". We sound it out together and she gets it. She'll continue reading and then in the next paragraph she comes across the word again and she doesn't remember it from earlier. :?

She tries to add in words that aren't there, and skips over words that are there.

Is it normal for her to need tutoring for this long and should I just hang in there? Is there anything else I could do to help her?

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Jshep's picture

Hang in there! My SD did this exact thing. She wouldn't retain words at all, the same way you described. We (DH, BM, and step-dad) really made reading important at both houses. She has to read every night. We also started reading to her and then have her read back to us. We made flashcards of words she was struggling with. All of a sudden, it just clicked with her. We went to parent teacher conf. last week and found out that SD is now ahead of where they want her to be by the end of the year! We've found genres she really likes (Goosebumps books, any animal book, and now she's reading the BFG ♥) and it helps her get into it. I've been reading the Hunger Games books to her and she actually pays attention and retains what I'm telling her. It also helps to have her summarize the chapter that you've just read. For example, have her read to you, and then ask her what it's about. If she can't tell you, have her read it again. I know my SD figured out really quickly that her dad's patience is slim, so if she "struggles" long enough, he'll tell her the word. We've stopped that. We've also stopped telling her what things say, and that's motivated her really try to read something. Just keep with her and I'm sure she'll get it! Smile Good luck!

Nette5's picture

Closed captioning on the tv ALL the time. Then it shows the words that they are hearing. My SS's first grade teacher told us this, but we use it always so I can understand what's going on.

amber3902's picture

I love closed captioning. My older daughter has auditory processing disorder and it was suggested to use for her. I like it because I can't always tell what someone on the TV said. It never occured to me it might help D8 with reading.

justbdais's picture

My younger sister has a similar problem that took a lot of time and work. She was a terrble reader, always behind and it was not until she was in junior high that it became apparent. It took my mom an entire year to get the school to see the problem and help her. She is a verbal learner, and as long as someone else is reading to her she can remember what the story is about. If you tell her to read the story herself she will not remember a single thing she read and cannot answer a basic question. If you had her read Green Eggs and Ham, and asked her who was trying to get the cat to eat the green eggs and ham she could not tell you (btw it was Sam). My mom would study with her for tests and review the subject with her, and she would know everything but then she would sit down and read the test question and fail. It is almost like a disconnect between what her eyes are seeing and her brain is reading and her memory. She could read an entire book and have no memory of what the book was about. I think hooked on phonics may help in the memorization, and I think finding a book series that she is really into may help as well. You might try asking the program through the school that she was in what they are doing and maybe trying that. I know my SS was in a reading program and mostly they would spend 20 minutes a day reading in some form, whether it was out loud in a group or quietly by themselves, or even one on one with the teacher but it helped in out a lot and he excelled in school as long as he was getting this little extra help with reading. I know it still helps my sister to read out loud when she is learning something new.

askYOURdad's picture

All good advice. I would suggest finding a chapter book type story that is interesting to her, maybe even one where she has seen the movie like Harry Potter. Read every night at bedtime until you are at a point in the book that is genuinely interesting. It will help if she has seen the movie because then you can compare as you go (and help her retain information on the story) Once you are at a point where she is genuinely interested, take turns reading with her. Have her read a page or two and then discuss.

Every night I read to kids/skids I always start like this.

-who remembers where we left off?
-what do you think will happen with xyz?
-did you notice anything weird about abc, like maybe it's a clue?

I have always been a reader and it's important to me that my bios at least try so I always try to make it a fun thing that we can engage in together. One bio is very advanced in reading, the other one is getting tutoring and struggling a little more, some of this stuff is similar to the whole "my kid potty trained at 7 months old vs. my kid wears pull ups at 4" every child is different. If she is excelling in other areas school wise, this will come, stick with the tutoring.

SM with BM from hell's picture

When my sd was little we had the same issue in kindergarten. I bought some reading comprehension workbooks (the have some at the dollar tree, at least they did years ago) and we would work on one page a day in addition to her reading a book she enjoyed. It took a while but by the fifth grade she was doing well and now she reads all the time for enjoyment. Just stick with it, one day everything will click. You're a great mom for noticing and making the effort to help outside of school. Smile It can be frustrating, but hang in there.

amber3902's picture

Sorry I didn't reply sooner I got called away at work. Thanks for all the helpful tips, I really appreciate it! I was really feeling frustrated and worried I'm failing my daughter.

"my kid potty trained at 7 months old vs. my kid wears pull ups at 4" yeah, that's how I'm feeling and I'm getting discouraged!

To answer a few questions - We are currently reading My Father's Dragon and she seems to like it. We take turns reading, I read a paragraph, then she reads a paragraph.

She's able to remember the content of what she reads for the most part, it's just individual words she already knows she doesn't seem to remember. She'll stop at a word I KNOW she knows, and she acts like she doesn't know the word. She'll be stumped at simple sight words, or misread them. She'll confuse similar looking words - ex. "that" for "there", I asked the school if she might be dyslexic but they said she would have far more trouble than she was having.

It doesn't make sense, because when we play the game Memory, she can beat me even when I'm really trying.

askYOURdad's picture

If she comprehends the story and it's just the words, I bet that's why she excelled out of the tutoring but isn't quite up to speed. Don't be too discouraged, I know it's frustrating as a mom feeling helpless. You are doing really well. Here are a few things that might help with the words, my bio is younger but we're doing these:

https://itunes.apple.com/US/app/id467936869?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

http://kidsactivitiesblog.com/6412/word-families-flip-book

Also, if you are OCD like me, this might be hard, but sometimes we read with a highlighter and if my son struggles with a word more than once we highlight it. He has "words of the week" that he does with me, we will spell them using matchbox cars, magnets on a cookie sheet, writing them on a magnadoodle etc. He will get m&ms for getting them right, and if he knows all of his "words of the week" by the end we have a small reward system for him.

amber3902's picture

Awesome! I like the app, I'm always looking for games she can play on the computer that will help her with phonics and reading.

And I like the phonics flip book, she struggles with chunking so that's a great idea.

Yes, I do feel helpless at times, I get too emotionally invested to help her, when she starts messing up too much I get frustrated with her, and that doesn't help anything.

Thanks for those links!

amber3902's picture

Tiger,

You should check out the book Cinder by Marissa Meyer, I'm reading it now and I can't put it down!

tabby yabba do's picture

I'm just concerned because it seems when she reads she does not retain information.
For example, she'll come to the word "quickly". We sound it out together and she gets it. She'll continue reading and then in the next paragraph she comes across the word again and she doesn't remember it from earlier

My DD11 suffered from a closed-brain injury at age 18-20 months and now also experiences learning difficulties, especially like that above. We first noticed when my DD couldn't remember the word "butter." Every morning she'd ask for "that stuff" on her toast. We'd go over what "that stuff" was called (butter). During the day, I'd point at the butter dish and ask her what it was. She'd say "I like it" or "I eat it" but couldn't recall the word "butter." It took nearly a year, of every day repetition, to learn the word butter before she could consistently recall it. It was heart-breaking. And it was when we knew there was a problem.

We've tried *everything* to help her learn, help her to enjoy learning and help boost her confidence. This is some of what works for us. Some of these we do only at home, some are accommodations her school has made for her:
*Short study sessions (no longer than 30 minutes per subject if possible)
*Smaller group study sessions, occasionally one-on-one help.
*Physical motion while learning (sitting/balancing on an exercise ball, bouncing on a mini-trampoline, walking, even petting the cat!)
*Taking tests that require oral answers so she can try to explain it in her own words. Coming up with an answer, trying to think of an organized way to write it/communicate it and then actually write it is hard for her. Not every kid fits into the cookie-cutter American model of teaching/testing. Find what works for your child.
*Repetition. Repetition. Repetition. And patience. Teach the same concept in several ways. When DD had to learn state capitols, we wrote down the capitol names. We looked at them on maps. We talked about them over and over. We came up with silly stories to remember them (example: Mary's best friend is Ann. We drew a picture of Mary and Ann. The capitol of Maryland is Annapolis. Or we'd say "Pennsylvania is really hairy!" [Harrisburg, PA] and draw a picture of the state with hair all over it. For Charleston, West Virginia, we literally danced the "Charleston" dance while she recited that capitol)
*I ask my DD to teach me what she's learning. I ask her questions and let her be the one who has the answers.
*I NEVER NEVER compare her to her older siblings (DD25 and DS23 who did well in school) and I NEVER NEVER let the skids put her down or compare her grades to theirs (the skids' grades are better).
*I don't make excuses for her challenges and don't let anyone pity her. Help her? Yes. Encourage her? Yes. But never pity, and no excuse-making. We just work with what we've got and make the best of it.

It does start to help. It never gets "easier" but patience is key. Support is a must. My DD may never be an A-honor roll student, but good grades in school don't automatically mean a successful life. There's lots of definitions of success and happiness that are not scholastically related. Smile

amber3902's picture

Thanks for those tips. I notice a lot of them involve kinetic learning. I think they would work for my D8 as well.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

What kind of friends does she have?

I can tell you that makes a huge difference. When I was a freshman in high school, I hung out with a chick whose grades were in the 70s to low 80s, my grades slid from a 90 to 80. Then in my sophomore year, I became close friends with two girls who has 96-97s, my grade went back to the low 90s. They cared about studying so sometimes when we hung out that's what we would do.

amber3902's picture

You are right that friends can be a good/bad influence. She has a couple of good friends, and one of them is the top reader in her class. She did say "I want to be a good read like Skylar!" So I'm glad this is encouraging her.