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AlmostGone834's picture

If you recall this past Christmas LI admitted that she dropped out of college (with plans to maybe get a certificate as an EMT). DH took it a lot better than expected after a very brief period of lamenting.

In case anyone was wondering how it all shook out, we have (of course) come full circle. DH is now insisting that college is a "waste of time and money". 

This, after years of calling other people (such as his nephews) losers for not going to college. 

While I agree that people can be successful without a college degree, and in certain cases it may not be worthwhile going, it's the hypocrisy that drives me nuts. 
 

 

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JRI's picture

His brain is in protective mode so that he doesn't recognize what a mess she is.  At least she's gone.  Life is good!

But, I'd be aggravated, too.

 

AlmostGone834's picture

Yes super glad she's gone. Also yes his brain is in defense mode (as always). Once in a while I can seem glimpses of sanity (usually when he gets really mad, like when she left for her brother's and he said "she's got her gifts and now she's going off"). He absolutely can't see the similarities between her and The Slunk Ape.

notarelative's picture

DH is now insisting that college is a "waste of time and money". 

Waiting for the complaints when both BI and LI realize the loans have to be repaid even if you did not finish.

AlmostGone834's picture

He doesn't even know she has loans on her 150% paid for college. Smdh. He also doesn't know about her debt but at least I don't have to hear his musings of the amazing job and lifelong riches she's going to get with her prestigious degree. 
 

She also danced around the issue with me, with a big convoluted story that made no sense, was full of lies and half truths and rambled in a million different directions... not exactly saying outright that she dropped out but that she wasn't going anymore, didn't want to go back, was put on academic probation but had "enough credits" for a degree but a ton didn't count, but still got her bachelors degree but it was also a non-existent masters program that she's still in. Everything contradicted itself. I just told DH the truth she was dancing around.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

And he says this to you, a person who did attend and complete college!?! How insulting.

AlmostGone834's picture

It IS insulting. It's also insulting when LI pretends she accomplished something that other people worked very hard for. Both are gross.

AlmostGone834's picture

Yes .... now. Before it was the stick to which all successful people were measured by.... but NOW.... well, most people become successful through "on the job skills". Again... it's the hypocrisy.

la_dulce_vida's picture

SD goes to jail for fraud and DH says, "Everyone makes mistakes. I'm sure she'll make friends and learn a useful skill or finally get that degree. She'll be so successful."

AlmostGone834's picture

Yup that would be his response. She'll get free training get out and get hired immediately because plenty of people go from jail to wildly successful.

I always said if she burned down an orphanage on Christmas Day, he'd find a way to rationalize it. 

Toaster's picture

Well, bless her soul!

At least her heart was in the right place, right?

Those poor kids will definitely stay warm now—because, you know, it does get so freezing here in sunny California. Sure, they might have to spend a little time in the burn unit and maybe undergo a tiny bit of (extensive and lifelong) plastic surgery, but hey, silver lining: a few of them could totally become world-class models! As for the rest? Well, I’m sure God’s got a special spot in heaven reserved just for them! I’m sure! Good Christmas present for them all!

 

 

Yesterdays's picture

Omg.... 

Those comments...

Of course when he thought his kid was finishing he called others losers and now that she doesn't finish its all a waste of time. 

What an idiotic comment that college is a waste of time. Sure. 

Does he even hear himself 

AlmostGone834's picture

I can't wait to drop it in the next conversation I have with LI... "oh don't worry about it, your Dad says college is a waste of time and money"

The bar just keeps getting lowered. 

Little Type Amy's picture

I hope LI is officially out of your peaceful sanctuary and ran back to FL to SA/ Fidel or the Fool..etc and wont be back for a long time for your sake. 

I am actually surprised that she at least admitted the truth about her college stint. The hypocisy surrounding DH and LI is also not suprising though infuriating of course. 

Im with Yesterdays asking if these people ever hear themselves once in a while and think critically. 

I wouldnt hesitate to point out his comment about the "loser" nephews for not attending whenever the chance comes up.. I also would ask if he or LI are going to think it was all nothing and will retain that caveliere attitude , like its all a game ..once she finds herself up to her neck in crippling debt over it for who knows how long. 

AlmostGone834's picture

I did point it out. I said to him (re. College being worthless)  "up until recently you were saying very different..."

"Oh ... uh... No, I meant that most people get jobs based on the work experience they have, not a degree but the skills they acquire on the job, that's how they become successful... Look at me, I didn't go to college and I'm successful" 

I was trying to hint that his tune changed very recently re. the importance of college for success. Now he claims he never thought it was necessary. Which is obviously not true but you literally cannot drag him out of his delusions when it comes to his daughter. I've tried so many times and he shuts down if I push too hard.

 

thinkthrice's picture

(To BI) "thank you chatGPT."

JRI's picture

It's not just LI or my lying SD63, The Grifter, but whenever one of our 5 tells me a long, convulated story, my antennae go up.  It almost always means lies.

My favorite lie this year was from Grifter when she dropped by Christmas day to get her $.  "Oh, gosh, I forgot!  I had your gifts under my tree and I just walked out without them!"

AlmostGone834's picture

You know as well as I do that you'll never see those gifts. They never existed in the first place. Depending on how fed up with it all you are you could 1. Let it go in exchange for peace with your DH or 2. Bring it up every single time she comes over...

"I wonder if we will see those gifts she forgot last Christmas today, DH" 

"DH, when Grifter calls, remind her to bring our presents. Wouldn't want them taking up precious space over there"

"DH when you go visit Grifter bring back the gifts she has for us"

and when it gets around to next Christmas...

"Just tell her to put our gift next to last years under the tree"

...... Depending on how irritated I am, it would be one of those two reactions from me

JRI's picture

I don't want any gifts from her.  She can't afford anything and seeing a gift makes me wonder how much less cash DH has now.

AlmostGone834's picture

I get it. I don't want any gifts from LI either. It's just the selfishness of these types bothers me to no end that I want to call them out on it. 

Toaster's picture

ROFL

I know it well!

When OSD was fourteen, barely. She was going the Dolly Patton way, in other words, she dressed and acted like a….like a….

Well, one evening, I got my crystal ball out and made a forecast. After I told him what I saw and where she was going, DH fought me tooth and claw, saying, don't talk about my sweet, innocent, virginal daughter like that.

 

This is what I saw for OSD’s future:

 I saw OSD:

In, a skintight mini dress in a loud, flashy color, cut low to reveal cleavage.

Wearing fishnet stockings with a small tear near the knee, either by accident or design.

Balancing on platform heels, too high to walk in comfortably, making her steps slightly unsteady.

She had thick foundation that doesn’t quite match her skin tone.

Heavy eyeliner, smoky eyeshadow, and false lashes that amplify her eyes unnaturally.

Overly glossy lips, coated in a bright, attention-grabbing red.

A dusting of glitter on her cheeks and collarbone for added effect.

Did I mention her hooker nails or claws?

Her Hair:

Dyed an unnatural shade (platinum blonde) with visible roots.

Styled in loose, straightened until it hangs unnaturally flat.

Her trademark accessories:

Did I mention, ½ inch eye lashes?

Large hoop earrings that swing with every move.

A cheap faux-leather clutch or purse, held tightly against her side.

Several rings on her fingers, some too big, giving the impression of costume jewelry.

A choker necklace or dangling chain, chosen to draw attention to her neckline.

At the age of fourteen, she was beginning to have that 1000 -cock stare; she wanted to quit high school and do porn with her current bf while he stayed home and ran a puppy mill. I can't make this stuff up! 

 

When I was done with my crystal ball, DH wanted to ‘assault’ me for saying such nasty things about his sweet, innocent whittle virginal daughter. Ha! Right!   You mean the one, DH, that bragged about giving her flavor of the month BJs in the movie theater. Then there was the one she was planning an extended sleepover with at her BMs. I won't tell you about the sex-texting she was doing all through high school. 

He kept his denial up until OSD joined a college skank house. Everything I predicted came true.

Far forward to Christmas time, OSD is 21 and now ‘president’ in her college brothel, for Christmas DH sent his mother a picture of OSD in her little Bo Pee’s outfit, the one with ¾ of her ass hanging out (I’m not exaggerating).

These skidmarks are so messed up because they have one or maybe two parents who have their heads up their [you fill in the blank].

Now, DH is claiming he didn't see anything that was happening and that maybe she will change. 

ROFL

Back to you - sure, he will brag when she's at school - she's in college. But when she isn't - he will say college is a waste of money and time.  There's way too much, 'go along to get along' and no parenting whatsoever. Like our Crazy-BM tells toxic MIL all the time, "You have to LOVE OSD UNCONDITIONALLY!" 

Unconditionally...my ass! But, I'm not most folks! 

AlmostGone834's picture

Ew. Your SD sounds positively revolting. I hope you disinfect anytime she comes over. 
 

"Maybe she will change" (Narrator's voice: "But in fact, she did NOT change...") Nope gross 20 year olds usually turn into gross 30+ year olds. I had so many moments of thinking Little Idiot would change too but it never happened. Her overall personality never did. She still lies, attention seeks, brags, lies some more, and has the emotional depth of a puddle. 

Little Type Amy's picture

Agreed, that Toaster's SD  sounds absolutely disgusting and not so much unlike my own

Not meaning to show any disrespect or getting way too out of line with this, ( forgive me) but wonder what  BI would say if LI had gone the all out skank route even becoming a "lady of the night" so to speak, working Only Fans, dealing drugs, or doing any other lines of work that are less than reputable?  ( Welcome to part of my life as an SM...Shaking my head) I am Hoping for your sake and BI's that LI doesnt stoop this low.  

Does he know about her living with Fidel? 

I am praying he is at least not delusional or so deep in denial as to be all like " Well..at least LI is learning how to work independently and getting to meet lots of new exciting people ! . Such an accomplished entrepreneur with such confidence,,,and gets to be her own  boss!" 

And I can also confirm that a 20 something year old with those kind of problems making good choices never fully change. 

 

Toaster's picture

ROFL

at least not delusional or so deep in denial as to be all like " Well..at least LI is learning how to work independently and getting to meet lots of new exciting people ! . Such an accomplished entrepreneur with such confidence,,,and gets to be her own  boss!" 

ROFL

Cover1W's picture

My DH used to say that it didn't matter what college one went to, as long as you did well, no one cared about WHAT college it was on your resume in the end. And anything other than a good state school was a waste of money. Which is true really, we don't look at what college when hiring, just confirm that they have a degree as they say. BUT when it finally came down to it and HIS daughters were applying for college, oh no, the state schools were not good enough and if they wanted to choose the expensive private colleges, then that's better!  He still is in this mode a bit (less mad, less emphatic, which is great), and I point out his hypocracy at times. But I'm so far out of the skids lives, I really could care less at this point. 

AlmostGone834's picture

Funny how that works isn't it? The narrative always changes when it comes to the biological offspring. The choices they make must not be questioned. 

I really could care less as well but right now I'm feeling a bit salty because she coming back in the summer and I feel like I just got rid of her (and she's bringing the latest boyfriend) and I'm still not recovered from having to spend a whole week with her. 

Little Type Amy's picture

Doesnt that just drive you crazy? I am beyond over expecting these troubled SKIDults to always get a pass..and the benefit of the doubt since they can always use that whole "poor helpless COD or seperation) as an excuse. And there is always someone who always lets them use anything under the sun as an excuse. . I personally have had none of that left in me with SD and if that makes me the black sheep or "problematic" to anyone, then so be it. I have no patience, no more guilt,  no benefits of doubt or effs to give away, which I did give more freely for a time whether anyone wants to remember or not. Gave more than I should have honestly,and  There are only so many chances you get with me.  Really, what is so darn Special and Golden about these "kids" that they can get off the hook..the old get out of jail free card. when they do stupid, thoughtless and even reckless things  that would definitley be frowned upon or not acceptable if they were done by any other person walking this earth. You and I certainly wouldnt be expected to be so empathic and accomodomatic as to make Life easier and all cozy for them? So why should the skids be held to any other standards?  So over it. 

Hoping LI changes her mind about visiting in the summer. and that there is a firm agreement that she and the Fool at least be responsible for their own lodging. If not, then they can visit when and if they can actually manage their own arrangements. Sounds like she has taken more than an unfair advantage of you and DH . This also reminds me of why I shoudnt feel all too guilty about not being so nice to SD  and making things so comfortable for SD that she can feel to railroad over me. She can to anyone else she pleases. but it ends with me. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Funny how college is a waste of money only after LI has wasted no telling how many tens (hundreds?) of thousands of the government's money and 6 years of her time with nothing to show for it.

I agree that there are many paths to self-sufficiency. Hopefully LI will actually take one. 

AlmostGone834's picture

Six freaking years of free college money (plus extra money each semester for books and other expenses) and loan money too which will probably never be paid back. 

MorningMia's picture

Hypocrisy, delusion, denial. What else do we call this? My DH went through the same thing, especially with his son, but the false super/superior unrealistic kid narrative was driven primarily by BM (and really hard on the skids, although it created an awful arrogance in them).
It took some awakenings/smackdowns from reality for DH to recognize that 1) his kids were NOT better than other people and were not super geniuses 2) in many ways his kids were inferior to many others 3) they "ended up" not doing so well as adults and are in general pretty unlikable.
I understand it's hard to admit your children are not the super heroes they pretend to be or are made out to be, or that you want them to be, but it's also freeing (I've witnessed it) to see and accept the truth. Sigh. 

AlmostGone834's picture

Yup The Skunk Ape thinks the sun rises and sets with her children. In reality none of them are very successful. They are at mediocre in every facet of life. That doesn't stop her from trying to convince the world that her children are amazing. 
 

I hope that one day DH can see reality but I'm honestly losing hope.

Rags's picture

However, the facts are and likely reality is that those without a degree will work for those with one.

Though not all degrees are viable for preparing the degree holder for a viable career, even just having one tends to qualify the degree holder for some positions that require a degree that disqualifies those without.

My first company out of engineering school had a program when moving manufacturing from CA to TX that all employees in TX had to be degreed regardless of the role they were hired for.  That prevented many experienced long term company employees from transferring from CA to the large new facilities and organizations in TX.

So yes, just having one is far better than not having one.

Also, the long term numbers are irrefutable.  Those with a Bachelor's degree will earn $1,000,000 more over the course of their work lives than those without one.  Of course there are exceptions to that statistic, but  it is a long standing fact that is far more often true than not.

I would not tolerate avoidance and ignorance on this topic from my partner if I were you.  That represents an income of $2000/mo more over the course of a 40 year career.  Of course that income is not load leveled for the entire 40 years and will show up in the middle to later career years at much higher than $2K/mo. I load leveled it as a discrete representation of how that additional $1,000,000 looks in the career of someone who has a degree Vs someone who does not.  I do not know of many who would not benefit from an extra $2K/mo or much more than that as professional income increases over time.

Daddy needs his hypocritical dance shoes nailed to the floor on all of this that happens with full frontal realization of the facts regarding LI.  Not only will she far more likely than not never finish a degree, she will also never pay off her loans and those will grow with penalties and interest to astronomical levels during her life.  She will rot as a Sr. citizen and likely never amount to much. At this point her only shot at a decent life is to either hook a mate of means or to breed herself into a huge monthly income in CS.  She will ruin many lives with her shit choices.  Kids, a number of men with poor mate RADAR, etc....

As sad as that likely reality is to consider.

IMHO of course.

 

 

thinkthrice's picture

You have to have a work ethic either in skilled trades, university, whatever.  These ne'er do wells like LI and Chef's ferals will always be bottom rung because they want to be taken care of, not work for it.   And being a trophy wife for LI isn't an option the way AG describes her.

Rags's picture

Qualification can get you in the door, performance keeps you there and advancing.

The statistics most certainly do not account for the nearly infinite variables in play at the individual level.  

The resume gets the interview, the interview gets the job.  At that point performance becomes the critical success factor.  Qualifications (Degrees, Certifications, licenses, experience, etc...) are always a benefit.  But without performance they are just boiler plate.

grannyd's picture

Rags, even the trades require a considerable investment in time and commitment. My son is a plumber and makes big bucks but first, had to complete a 4-year apprenticeship, then pass a stringent Certificate of Qualification exam. Same for my son-in-law who is an electrician. They are also intelligent, talented handymen. 

Not everyone is capable of succeeding in the 'trades'. Many of the apprentices that started out with my son dropped out before their first year. Both my son and SIL achieved good marks in school but were disinterested in 'working behind a desk'. 

 

 

 

 

Harry's picture

'''LI was thrown out of college''' [ she does know why she was going]. ''''She has 126 credits in Bowling, ping pong,  and beer drinking.''''But there's no degree program in beer drinking.  '''The loan money is cut off.'''  How is she going to survive?   
'Be prepared for a onset on LI needing....money...money.   She spent 6 years advording working. She not ready to start now 

thinkthrice's picture

BI: "Thats probably a GOOD thing...a roof and 4 walls are overrated.  Think of the money she'll be saving on rent/the mortgage.  I think I'll get her an RV."

ESMOD's picture

I see the flip flop... lol.

Actually, I am someone with both an undergrad and a masters and I think college IS a waste of time and money for a whole lot of people.. because college is NOT for everyone.. There are a lot of ways to earn a living that are respectable and have high earning potential that don't require a degree.

I also am a proponent of people going to work entry level for companies that support tuition payments/matches to aid their employees in getting their degrees.

I would actually hazard a guess that more people are not college material vs those that are.  The kids arrive at these institutions woefully unprepared.. end up having the curriculum dumbed down.. they have to take remedial courses to catch up etc.. 

In this current day, the cost is not worth it for so many... it used to be a better value.. but that's when fewer people attended, so your degree differentiated you.. not today.  Easy student loans also caused universities to compete for that money by enticing students with lush acccomodations... meal plans.. lounges.. gyms.. etc.. again.. none of that fancy frosting helps them become smarter.. just enticing for their 4 year vaca from reality.

Rags's picture

We each also have a key professional certifications for our respective professions.  For  me/us it was well worth it. Except for 4 years of my 11yr undergad I was on the work and pay as I go model.  I graduated with only $10K in loans which I paid off in less than a year after graduation. My MBA was done on an extended plan (4.5 years) where I paid and was reimbursed by my company at the end of each term upon provision of successful completion of all course work.  Much of my career has been leading large trades/craft organizations.  I have mentored a number of my employees to advance their certifications to the Journeyman level then work on completing a bachelor's degree paying as they progressed.  Over the years I have received quite a few graduation announcements for proteges who completed undergrad and some who then went on to complete graduate degrees.

I think that the flawed guidance so many parents give kids is... go to college and figure out what you love to do. Live the college experience, sow your wild oats, etc... Which for many is a path to disappointment.  Education without a specific goal and selection of a marketable degree field is what pays for so many institutions to operate. Those who borrow and drop out more than cover the operating costs of many schools.  Those who actually graduate are profit and marketing data to keep selling the dream.

The national graduation rate in the US is ~60%.  It is less than 40% in 4yrs and about 64% at 6 years.

If a degree is not the path, IMHO it has to be a solid certification path.  The age of bagging groceries and working at the IGA for a life time is long gone and the model of unskilled labor for a career does not bode well for a secure life.  

Unfortunately these folks may also likely be dole minions at some point and may get the idea that they are owed something beyond what they earn.

I respect quality people of character.  Regardless of what they do with their lives.  I do not respect those who do not respect themselves enough to do the work, learn how to make solid decisions, and be self sufficient.

I have seen a number of people, including some friends, and some extended family who live honorable lives paycheck to paycheck working basic labor jobs.  Sadly I also have seen some who think that they are owed beyond their performance and that those who will not give to them are prime for quilting, cajoling, and ripping off.

Give me honor, character, and performance over promises and cajoling every time.

At the very least, completion of a degree demonstrates the ability to make a plan, commit to that plan, and complete that plan.  Those are things that translate nearly universally in life and a career.  Not that those without a degree do not have those traits.  Some and even many certainly do.  Though the sheepskin is a demonstrable proof of that ability and accomplishment.

Which is why many employers establish a degree as a qualification for applicable roles. Though a degree and/or X yrs of related experience is the usual verbiage for those jobs.

 

 

 

AlmostGone834's picture

I think it depends on what degree you go for. Some degrees are in demand and you walk out with a decently high paying job lined up. Others are over saturated with applicants and others, well the money doesn't equate out to what you spent. BUT LI got free college. A degree absolutely would be worth more than the $0 she spent getting it. 

She would 100% would be better off today with a degree in her hand (literally any degree since it was free and many jobs don't care what BS degree you have but having one puts you ahead of other applicants). As it stands she's unable to pay her bills, and has no health insurance or other benefits. That's fine when you're 25, not so much when you're 35. 

Heck when someone with a college degree applies to our jobs (even though it's not at all required) they move to the front of the list. College is also more than just the degree. You learn a lot of soft skills there and it clearly demonstrates to employers that you can commit to and finish something. 

 

Elea's picture

And time for idiots. YSD26 had to go to an out of state, prestigious school and now she works as a fry cook. It took her an extra year to graduate. She has spent most of her time since college unemployed or job hopping. Lol

OSD, same story in that she isn't even using her degree but unlike YSD, at least she has held the same down job for longer than 2 weeks. 
 

I am annoyed that DH spent so much $$$ on their college but find some comfort that BM paid 1/3 of the cost so at least it took her down a notch and she has no earning capacity to make more. She is too lazy to find a  full-time, real job.