How to handle MIL really need advice
This 6 year on and off war started when I got pregnant with our ours child.
18 and 20 year old stepdaughters have been so hateful on and off. They have had an unstable upbringing with abuse from their stepdad and moving 7 times that I can count. They have refused to come over if disciplined. Lied to cps about abuse. Then apologize. Then something else happens where they are angry. Whenever they get mad they blow up my husband's parents phone about some exaggerated lie and then they blow us up how horrible we are. There was a point where my daughter was around 2 where I thought they finally hit some stability because they were kind and normal....but about a year ago it happened again all because of a comment I made about ones shirt being tiny...blocked and refused to talk for a year now. It's like walking on eggshells and I'm done with them.
I've literally had panic attacks and depression because I invited my now 5 year old into their lives and into hers. Some time has gone by and my daughter stopped asking for them. I have expressed to the oldest who didn't block me and their bm how sad my dd was and missed them. Still nothing. I finally decided I couldn't keep doing this forever. It's wrong and mentally draining. They hurt my dh and I and now our child?
I can't do it anymore.
A week ago I get a text from MIL that I am the one who alienated their dad from them, it's all my fault I'm the queen gas lighter and she knows about all my messages. She then said "one day your daugjter will know about everything you did and then how will you feel?".
I was going to still continue to have my dh see gramma but everything in her messages say she hates me, doesn't believe a word i say and will tell my child what I did when she's older.
Apart of me is sad because she bonded with my kid and has been so good to my kid even through the 6 years of ups and downs with the older ones she will has alwsys been constant in her life.
Cut her off? I'm definitely ready to but not sure if it's my anger or if it's jusy the right thing to do.
I also worry it may hurt my
I also worry it may hurt my child when she gets older. I'm not sure how to handle.
Okay, take a deep breath!!
Okay, take a deep breath!!
Step One: You know the truth, right? You know how you were treated. You know the lies. And you know WHO you are, right? If you and your spouse know that you did the best you could with these toxic people, then you have to learn how to not give a sh*t what toxic people think of you OR say about you to other people.
Step Two: Anyone who is willing to believe trash talk from toxic people is ALSO toxic. I used to care what everyone thought of me until I learned that there were really only a handful of people whose opinions really matter. This took me from being an insecure, self conscious person, to a bold person. I am not afraid to be me in front of anyone because the people who matter love me. Everyone else can suck it. I'm not saying I'm rude or mean. But I used to be timid and very afraid to express myself in front of a room full of people. I would be terrified to give a speech in high school. Now, I am quite comfortable to stand in front of a room full of strangers and MC a fashion show. IDGAF what people think anymore.
Step Three: Your #1 responsibility is to protect your child, and, at an appropriate age, teach her about how to deal with toxic people, how to have boundaries and how to advocate for herself. You can teach her this by excluding toxic a-holes from her life. My biological father molested my DS34 when he was 5 years old. My entire family sided with my father calling me a liar. I had no reason to lie, and my family has been cut out of my life for the last almost 30 years. My children did NOT suffer from losing my family because their father's family was fantastic. If anything, my 3 kids benefitted from not having toxic a-holes in their lives. Give your daughter the gift of knowing that people can be toxic a-holes AND that it's okay to not have a relationship with them.
You're doing great!!
Thank you for your kind words
Thank you for your kind words. I think my MIL threatening me that she would "tell" my daughter when she's older all about me suddenly got me scared. I know im a good person but my stepkids were turned on me so I know it can be done again. I'm going to hold my ground and stay away.
I wouldn't even respond to
I wouldn't even respond to that, but if you decide not to cut her out of your life, trust and believe your daughter will know you too well to believe grandma's lies.
Honestly, I would cut the old witch out of your life. Your daughter doesn't need toxic people in her life. No grandma is better than a toxic grandma.
I think her
"someday your daughter will find out" is worded so that there is an implied threat but let's her off the hook and will allow her to play the victim because "I didn't say I would tell her! You are attacking me just like you do the SKs!" if you call her on it.
But it is pretty awful that she is gloating over the idea of your relationship with your daughter being damaged, if nothing else. The person that would hurt the most is her granddaughter. She would use her as a pawn to get back at you and not even blink an eye.
If it was me, I would talk with my husband and craft a joint response that puts her on notice that she is not allowed to speak that way to you ever again. And that she will need to apologize to you if she wants to have a relationship with any member of your family going forward. And your DH is the person who delivers this message - soon.
If she throws another hissy fit, block her. You don't need this toxic person in your life. She's only doing it because she has been allowed to do so up until now. She won't stop her abuse toward you until you refuse to let her.
And the same goes for the SKs. You let them back in after they accused you of abuse which could have hurt your child. Of course they believe they can treat you anyway you want. You just have to stop letting them. Dad can choose to have a relationship going forward but they are adults and can meet up outside your home. And you don't have to let your child be part of it.
Your child deserves a mother who isn't stressed out from all these attacks. Children pick up on this and it affects them. And you deserve a life where you're not under attack from all these crazy people.
Thank you. You and a few of
Thank you. You and a few of my family members have said the same thing. I'm too nice and keep accepting their apologies over the years. I still have no idea what my child would find out?
I'm ready to cut them all off for good but I worry about my 5 year olds feelings. Just change the topic if she asks?!
Just tell her that they are
Just tell her that they are not nice people.
You worry about what your MIL would tell her? That's an easy one - lies, nothing more, nothing less. Cut the bitter old dear out of your life, block her on everything, keep her away from your DD, and forget about her. Ditto the SDs. Life is hard enough without inviting venomous, toxic apologies for women into it.
They would
want your child to join them in blaming you for her half-siblings estrangement. They would claim "she didn't let you have a relationship with your own SISTERS!" to do so.
As far as your daughters relationship with her grandmother, that is a tough one. They've kinda got you backed into a corner because you don't want to make decisions that will cause her any hurt. But sometimes you have to make tough decisions for your child's own good. Time will help as children's memories fade and the new normal will become what your child knows. You could possibly say something like "you know how sometimes things don't go well with your friends and you don't want to play with them for awhile? Sometimes that happens with adults, too, so Daddy and I have decided to take a break from Grandma right now."
I know your daughter will be
I know your daughter will be sad to miss toxic grandma, but she'll get over it. After a while, my 3 children didn't even remember having my parents as grandparents or my siblings as aunt/uncles. They were happy and had plenty of loving people in their lives.
Forget what you've been brainwashed to believe about family sticking together no matter what. That doesn't apply to toxic people.
You are allowed to exclude toxic people from your life even if they are "family." I've found more loving family from my friends. You CAN choose to find a new family amongst your friends and community. I did and I love these people.
MIL has shared her play book. Use it and destroy her.
Before MIL can lie to your DD, get all of the ducks in a row and filed. Every fact, every bit of behavioral bullshit that your DD's elder shallow and polluted gene pool half spawn sibs have pulled. Every manipulation that MIL has attempted to play. Have DH's divorce decree ready, the CO, the court hearing recordings, GrandHag MIL's hidden skeletons ready, and start informing your DD in an age appropriate manner as she grows up. In the future when MIL decides that it is time to tell your DD the lies she will spout, your DD will already know the facts and the truth and will be able to call bullshit on Granny in real time when that time comes. Toxic Skid butt sniffing HagGranny will melt into a puddle of butt hurt ectoplasm and she will deserve every bit of it when it happens.
It is sad to have to prepare kids for these eventualities but preparing them is far better than naively serving those kids up to a toxic player in their family dance.
When SS would ask questions upon return from a SPermLand visitation we answered them truthfully and with the facts. We never lied to him, we did not manipulate. We informed and we showed him where that information came from and what the full view was rather than the randomly selected bitch and lie point that the SpermClan chose to play. More specifically, the facts and an age appropriately informed SS gutted the campaign of control and PAS that SpermGranHag was hell bent on perpetrating.
SS: "Dad, (SpermGrandHag says that you are not my REAL dad and that you are only m StepDad."
Rags: "Son, your mom and I have talked with you about how a BioDad is the dad that made you with your mom and that a StepDad is the dad that is married to your mom and who loves you and your mom very much. A REAL dad is the dad who goes to work every day to make sure that we have a safe and nice home to live in, safe vehicles to travel in, good schools for you to go to, healthy food to eat, nice clothes and shoes to wear, coaches your sports teams, teaches you to read and write, to use the toilet, to tie your shoes, and ride your bike and who loves you and your mom very much. A BioDad can be a REAL dad. A StepDad can be a REAL dad."
SS: "Dad, a StepDad sounds like a real dad to me. Can we go play?
Several years later.
SS: "Dad, (SpermGrandHag) says that you are not my dad and I can't call you dad. What should I call you?"
Rags: "Son, you started calling me Dad(dy) when you first started talking. No one every told you to call me Dad. If Dad is no longer what you want to call me you can call me Mr. (LastName). I am not your uncle and I only let your cousins call me Uncle (FirstName). I do not allow children to call me by my firstname. So, you can call me Mr. (LastName). (SpermGrandHag) does not decide what you call me. You do, and I do."
SS: "I think I will stick with calling you Dad. That is what you are. You are my Dad."
Rags: Turning away to hide a tear....... "That works for me son."
Fuck the toxic opposition regardless of who they are. Your X, DH's X, your family, your ILs, and anyone else who is toxic and a detriment to your life, your family, and your children. Prepare your DD in an age appropriate manner and she will skin and gut her idiot GM when necessary.
When they would ply their toxic manipulative lying bullshit with our son we countered with providing SS with the facts in response to whatever crap he dragged home with him after SpermLand visitation. When he would then ask why they lied we would tell him that they are afraid and think that lying is better than the truth. As he progressed through the 16+ years under the CO and then into his adult life not infrequently we found him digging through the Custody/Visitation/Support drawers in our home office file cabinets doing his own research. Occasionally he would bring us a document and ask us why one of the SpermClan lied about something that made no sense for them to lie about then he would show us in the documentation where it showed that they had lied to him. Things like the SpermIdiot lying to his kids that he proudly had never being married when he had married a 16yo when he was 25 to avoid an arrest for statutory rape then divorced her a few months after the SpermClan got their asses handed to them in their attempt to take custody of SS away from my DW. A copy of his marriage license and divorce decree wa in our files. Lies about how CS paid for expensive things for our family. New homes, nice cars, nice clothes, top schools for SS, vacations, etc.... "Mom and Dad, how does $133/mo in CS pay for all of these things when it clearly pays for nothing." He was holding the CO and a spreadsheet with colorful charts showing CS in reference to our income and expenses that his CPA mom had put together for him the last time that lie caused our son confusion. The message was don't lie to a kid who has the full facts the entire truth, and access to every tiny little bit of relevant information that influences their own blended family life.
These are just a few of the related Q&A fact review sessions we had with SS as he was growing up and dealing with the shallow and polluted end of his gene pool.
I have had a few career offers in SpermLand over the 30 years of our blended family adventure. SS has been firm and clear that he does not support us ever living there and when I predecease his mom that she can't move there. He knows the shit show that SpermLand is. Sadly not only related to the SpermClan but also related to my DW's branch of SS's three legged stool of a family. He loves them and they are orders of magnitude superior to the SpermClan though their drama is nothing that SS wants to have much to do with either and does not want his mom living the hearbreak that he own family is.
Kids need the facts. MIL will not stop her shit when your DD reaches adulthood and the risk is always present that your DD's elder half sibs will take a run at demonizing you and her daddy to your DD. Facts, discussion, Q&A, CO reviews, Supplemental rules, State regulations, etc... in an age appropriate manner rips the guts out of the toxic opposition when a kid is confident, informed, and armed with the facts to in real time counter any toxic crap.
Be cognizant of the age appropriate part. Though sometimes the toxic opposition will force an earlier than we would like need to explain the facts to a confused kid.
IMHO of course.
Good luck.