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why_bother_anymore's picture

I haven't posted alot lately as the skids are adults and almost an adult. They didn't visit us for 2 years because of covid. The year before that I took both skids and my two daughters on a beach vacation for the weekend. No DH did not go. He paid for the hotel. Stating he had to work the weekend. Did he? Idk but not the point. Last May/June DH stopped paying the extra $120 a month that BioMom asked for because she "needed" more money. IDK why because she doesn't work, lives with her mom and stepdad, gets child support to the tune of $600 a month and is on welfare. Anyways the oldest kid was 19. She was in college. The ex apparently was calling and texting to try and get that money. I have no idea what DH said to her but his oldest SD19 texted and was like stop ignoring mom, and pay us "OUR" childsupport. WTF? I don't know who told this SD19 that she was entitled to get that $120 child support from her dad while she was an adult and in college but that's not the law in my state.

So a text fight, essentially SD19 callling DH out on being a deadbeat dad. He has paid CS and given more on the side plus tried religiously to get his kids while biomom withheld them. Whatever, SD19 tells him to fuck off. SD19 says that she's entitled to that CS until she finishes college, she needs that money to PAY HER BILLS. What? Meanwhile DH is fussing my son still lives on the property even though he works and pays a portion of the bills here because he's an adult and needs to in his words "figure it out". My son is 20 at the time working full time and paying towards, electric, house, car payment, internet, car insurance and buying his own food. 

So apparently DH sends SD19 a picture of the court documents that state 18 or out of HS for his CS obiligation. So then she says, just don't stop paying CS for SD16, what? how is this her damn business at all. So she said nasty hurtful things to him because she wasn't getting free money.

All of a sudden earlier this year, a couple months ago, she started talking to DH again. Then she's calling him about fixing her brakes on her car. Then it's my car needs new tires. He gives her tires we have her that will fit her car. Mind you my son is paying a car payment, paying for his own oil change and his own tires. She doesn't have a car payment, barely works, barely goes to college, just a couple online classes and is constantly out with friends and getting tattoos. Wouldn't be my business if SD20 wasn't constantly asking for DH to pay for her shit. So FIL finally gives her their old Jeep SUV. It's not great but better than what she has and it was FREE. When my son had an accident and we needed a car right away so he could get to WORK. We had to go to a dealership, get a loan and my son had to pay the payment. Now DH did put the car in his name but he complained about every little thing until my son was able to get a personal loan this year to pay it off and put it in his name.

SD20 then contacts DH one day saying "did you find the radiator for the jeep yet bc it just busted" what? You are working, it's a free car and now you want DH to pay to fix it. DH gets pissed when I'm like, she works, she can buy it herself. DH starts ranting saying FIL promised her DH would pay to fix it. WTF? Are you kidding me? My son needed tires at $200 a piece and had to pay for it by getting a credit card because it was " HIS responsibility" bc in DH's words "HE's GROWN, he needs to figure his shit out". Mind you I can't help my kids because my money is tied up in half of all the bills because DH makes 15k more than me but only pays half of the bills. 

So I am not even ashamed to say, I threw a whole ass fit. If my kid can figure it our your SD20 can too. I had no issue with him actually fixing the vehicle, just him PAYING for it. Now on to SD20's Bday is this month. He swears he hasn't given her money or done anything for her BDAY. I can straight up tell you, he is fucking lying. He does shit behind my back. SD20 decided to call me all types of names back last year and say I was toxic blah blah blah. So I don't have shit to do with either SD since they talk shit about me and call me names that FYI aren't true.

SD20 decides she wants to come over on wednesday her supposed day off. OK, She came over at 12:30 (noon) while I am working at home, trying to play a loud ass video game in the room next to my office. I said NO! She got pissy and left. BYE FELICIA! Mind you I tried to politely tell DH why doesn't she come once your home, I have to work during the day. I have calls and I can't have a bunch of noise. My 9 year old has to be quiet and go play in her room, she can't play video games because it can be heard over my headset. Nope he tells her she can come over whenever she wants. Seriouslly!

Now it's sunday, same week, SD20 is coming back over again. I asked DH what is it she wants. Because let me tell you in no uncertain terms the only time we hear from these SKIDS is when they are trying to get something, its their birthday so they want a gift or it's christmas. DH gets pissy and says why don't you ask her. SD20 told me she wants to visit with our DD9, her half sister. The same half sister that she hadn't up until last christmas talked to in 2 damn years. I call BS! She comes over, and decides she wants to play that same damn rated M video game ALL DAMN DAY! I mean hours, our DD9 gets told she gets 2 hours tops of video games on a good day usually, it's go play in your room. You don't need to be on a video game, BY DH. 

I asked earlier that day before she showed up what she was going to eat bc all of a sudden she can't eat pork, or beef. Swears she's allergic, mind you they have been allergic to everything under the sun at one point or another it's all BS. DH says SD20 can eat what we have or nothing. I was like WHAT? He says we will have sides. OK. DH fixed ribs, mashed potatoes and beans. Then when he tells me that the food is ready, DH is cooking MY KIDS nuggets in the air fryer for SD20 and didn't bother to ask my DD18 if she even wanted any for dinner. LIKE WTF??? I bought the kids 2 bags of nuggets to last two weeks. This is the last bag and now there isn't enough for DD9 and DD18 to eat for lunch until I get paid again. I know, go buy more. I wish I could I had to pay for OUR DD9's dental work $166.10 with NO help from DH. That would have been the extra money to buy extra stuff. My DD18 has been applying and looking for work FOR 2 years. I had to buy her PADS with change.

Then as DH has finished, he is standing at the head of the table literally staring at her for 5 minutes (that look you give a lover or newborn baby) pure admiration with "was that good". I swear to you, it broke my heart right there. I know but hear me out. DH has NEVER looked at our DD9 that way even when she was a baby and me.....NOPE. By the time SD20 finally left 3pm to 9:30pm, I was in TEARS. 

DH of course, talked to me rough like he always does when the SKIDS are there. DH hugged SD20 bye, said I love you and walked right past me. DH sat on the couch another 20 minutes watching a movie, (mind you when it's just us here, he is in bed by 7:30 saying he is SO TIRED bc he has to be up at 4am). Then he asked me "whats your problem". I hadn't said anything and I was just sitting on the couch trying not to burst into literal tears. I said nothing. DH then got up and went to bed. No I love you, no goodnight NOTHING."

After SD20 leaves and DH acts snotty and asks why I am not "in bed bc it's now 10". As I am still trying to get DD9 settled and in bed. Once I get in bed, I finally tell DH how he was looking at SD20 at dinner and how it hurt because he has NEVER looked at DD9 or even ME like that. He looked at her like pure admiration and love. In my eyes the way a man would look at his LOVER or a NEWBORN child. Now when DD9 was born, he held her but took off for the week and only was at the hospital for an hour a day for the 3 days I was there. What really hurts and ya'll can say I'm petty or whatever. Is SD20 LOOKS LIKE A CLONE OF HIS EX!! This kid can do no wrong, she vapes, she gets tattoos, sleeps around, and basically has a low morale compass. BUT SD20 IS EVERYTHING TO HIM. 

My heart is literally broken into a thousand pieces. So tear me a new one, yell at me or whatever. I don't know how to move past this. DH putting SD20 above DD9 and myself, the ones here for him ALL THE TIME, is absolutely heartbreaking. SD20 is fucking grown, she should never be put above DD9. DH has given SD20 money for gas, so she can go out and fuck around with friends. WHAT????? However, the $250 emergency bill for DD9, I had to beg him to put it on the CC so I can pay it off. The $166.10 dental surgery bill, I had to pay 100% of that. DH didn't even offer me a dime. I have to pay HALF of our TAX bill that's on the CC, even though for the last 9 years before this OUR TAX REFUND went to HIS AND HIS EX WIFE"S TAX BILL. 

It seems that DH has given up on trying to hide that I am NOTHING to him but a paycheck and the illusion of a family. I am miserable. DH knows I won't leave because I REFUSE to let another WOMAN around my DD9 because of all the horrible stuff my other DD and DS had to go through with my EX's GFS. It was so bad that a restraining order was issued for 5 years against one of his GFs. 

So let me have it, or tell me how to move on past this without crying. I just had to get this out before it tears me even farther apart.

AgedOut's picture

I'm not going to let you have it or give you advice. I am going to tell you my heart hurts for you right now and I care. Rant, rave, cry, yell, whatever you need to do, I'm listening and I know I'm not the only one.

why_bother_anymore's picture

Honestly I have been told numerous times by numerous people in real life and the internet "they were here first" referring to the SKIDS. I went into this relationship 2010 thinking that we'd have a little fun and we'd be done. I fell for him and a year later I introduced him to my kids. Then the relationship went under fire when he requested his EX let him introduce me to his kids as we were talking about marriage and moving in together. I wish I'd ran. 

ImperfectlyPerfect's picture

That's right - we're here. This does not sound healthy or even fair to you. Your eyes are open- you may have to think through a strategy if you're going to stay in that house. 

why_bother_anymore's picture

I have given the SKIDS numerous chances to be just civil if they want nothing more than that to do with me. I am ok with that. What I am not ok with is DD9 being caught in this nonsense and being treated less than. Up until a few years ago, DH acted like he was listening to me. TBH our relationship has turned into a roommate situation. He withholds sex for months at at time. I was actually shocked when he initiated sex sunday morning, until he said after SD20 left. I figured you'd be happy all day. Yes he was referring to him "sacrificing" to have sex with me, so I'd be happy with his bullshit SD at our house. That no longer works since I realized that's what he is doing. 

CLove's picture

What it sounds like you are experiencing with your h (he doesnt earn the title DH), and his DD, is something called "mini wife syndrom". Google it, look it up and search around here.

Its become somewhat common in divorced families with the father and daughter relationship being changed from parent-child to parent-spousified child. Its gross and disgusting and crazy-making because society has programmed us to accept and revere closer-that-close relationships between daddy and daughter. That he has lifted up his daughter above you, makes you feel like you are the "dirty secret sidepiece" and SD is his main partner. You are NOT crazy and no one here will criticise you.

And many of us stay because they share a child and many also feel they have to protect their child from the shared custody that would happen.

You are not alone. When you read around you will find that this is NOT normal and NOT healthy. Im so sorry you are going through this. I would not be able to keep my mouth shut.

I actually went on a vacation with SD and husband and on one of our walks, they walked ahead of me! I complained and he lashed out "Your jealous of a CHILD?" I told him, no I just want to be your partner walking by your side, not behind the two of you. I told him later, that he needs to be my partner. I wont accept anything less than that.

SO, you have a choice, after reading up on mini wife. Stay or leave. If you stay, know that you are modeling relationships and treatment for your children. They are already being treated as less than.

As wife, you still have some power and can get a handle on finances. I would consult with a lawyer to see what you are entitled to, what your options are. And you can tell that h of yours that he needs to help pay for your child together! 

why_bother_anymore's picture

I've heard the term. However, there is no help when the DAD has allowed this to now play out while the Daughter (miniwife) has become an adult. DH doesn't seem to care to change any thing. I am supposed to take it with a smile. I am not that person, If I'm mad, hurt or etc It's written all over my face. 

CLove's picture

As I mentioned, consult an attorney to see what your options are. Get all financials. You have a right to this information. Insist that he pay his fair share of your shared DD's expenses. Lay down some rules and dont back down. He might JUST be a roomate at this point but he still has financial obligations.

You know the dynamics, there is no discussion, because h doesnt want to change these dynamics. Drawing diagrams, making a powerpoint presentation, thinking he actually WANTS to know whats up with you, its as you have come to understand are pointleess. Maybe he "future-faked" you previously, but you know where its really at.

So, be prepared for pushback if you dont "stay in your lane" and I would continue to call him out on his behavior. Really what do you have to lose anyway?

reedle2021's picture

It sounds like your DH is married to his daughter and still enmeshed with BM.  You and your DD take a backseat to his prior family.  That is inappropriate and flat out wrong.  My ex husband was enmeshed and codependent with his son, who was an adult (21) and still living with us at the time I left. My ex would do the same thing at meals, just stare at his son, anxiously waiting for some words of approval about the meal, if none came, my ex would say, "Is it not good?  Do you want me to make you something else?" And sometimes, my ex would make his adult son a separate meal because his son didn't like what we were having.  It just made me want to BARF.  Your DH sounds like he is married to his daughter and she is the miniwife; my ex husband's adult son was definitely a miniwife too.  I hate to say this but I don't think this behavior is changeable. 

You need to really give some thought to your situation.  Think about what you want for you and your daughter and both of your futures.  Somehow, I don't think constant drama and playing second fiddle to DH's former family is something you will be happy with. 

Please keep us posted.  We are all here for you.  Don't settle, you deserve to be happy.

Hugs,

Reedle Smile

1st3rd5thWEInHell's picture

A few pointers for you if you are willing to take them:

1. Get out of your feelings. You crying on the couch or looking at your husbands look over his child is a waste of time and emotional energy. You must preserve your emotional energy for those who are worth it. His relationship to his daughters and favoritism cannot be controlled or even hidden. He chooses to flaunt it and wont care, that will be for him to pay when your daughter is old enough to understand and chooses to give him the same importance/space in her life that he gave her all these years. Trust me it will happen. Just dont fall into the "fixer" role 

2. You MUST file married but separate income on all taxes. This way you will be responsible for your debt and he will be responsible for his. You will claim your daughters as dependents since you are the one spending money on food, medical and clothes while he is busy with his queen

3. At the end of the week, you must ask him to reimburse you with an itemized list of all the tax years during which your portion of the refund was sent to his and his ex wife debt. If he refuses, just tell him that he will be responsible for the entirety of the future irs debts until it reaches the amount he owes you and has been taken care of by him. You have to be firm and present that as just a mundane affair. If he chooses to stomp his feet and jump at you, just smile coyly and offer him to repay his debt in other ways (medical or something for the kids) but in no way make him believe that 9 years of refunds going towards him and his ex can be erased/forgotten. 

4. You are in a sexless marriage so you must stop being the beggar and become the chooser. If he wants sex or tries to initiate, meet him with a stern refusal. You must also make him feel that he is "useless" to you and diminish his manhood. For example while watching a movie, if you see a shirtless guy or someone with lots of stamina, you have to exclaim yourself and make it obvious you are admiring something you do not have at home!

5. Your daughter is 9, not 2. Why are you tucking her in? Why are you worried about her nuggies? You are too child centric and infantilizing the 18 and 9 yo. If your daughter cant have nuggets, she is old enough to make herself a sandwich or some eggs. This is not the end of the world. The 18yo must get a job or have a launch plan

6. SD20 is too old to come over for dinner. Just empty the fridge and make sure groceries are gone, every time she comes. The only thing you can offer is coffee/tee or bagged snacks from the dollar store. If he wants to be upset, just let him know that he can take her out to dinner and spend time OUTSIDE of the home. Visitation af 20yo is infantilizing. A 20yo must come with drinks or an assortment of food to share when they are invited into any grown adults house, not the other way around

7. You are too focused on children and husband and wasting your life away as a human. You have to set up your future financially and professionally. Your daughter is 9 and will be 18 in 9 years and your other daughter is over 18,  your husband lives his life and goes to bed at 7pm like a 2yo and YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WAITING TO BE SEEN/HEARD and all you do is GIVE. YOU NEED TO START TAKING. Your kids are in school, time for you to find an outside activity or job out of the house. When you are back, your 18yo must cook and clean 3 days of the week since she does not have a job/school while the 9 yo must be responsible for herself (school, personal hygiene, etc).  You can be mom 4days/week but in a meaningful way

8. Groceries. You must ration food and be disciplined. The children living on nuggets until you get paid is not realistic. Bake bread, make large casseroles that can be eaten for 3 days or frozen,  buy them some ramen at the most, deli meats, cheese for croque monsieur/madame, bagged salad kits, etc. You are driving yourself to a wall for groceries when you could have much more food if you were willing to make it vs processed. I understand processed is easier for children but your girls are old enough to get in the kitchen and prepare food. The 18yo is even old enough to get a list from you and go do some groceries

 

If you spend your life focusing on children (who will leave soon) and on a husband (who may come and go and has you at the bottom of the list of priorities), you will wake up one day and find yourself in a dark hole with nothing to show for it

qtpie013178's picture

I am so sorry you're going through this. It's not fair, and if you're financially struggling, you might be better off ripping off the bandaid now, and applying for chils support, possibly alimony, too, and separating or filing for divorce. Your DH is probably guilty for divorcing and trying to buy his kids' affection.  Screw that. Stop paying half the bills. At best, pay a fair percentage. If he makes 60k, and you make 40k, he pays 60%, and you 40%. There is no way you and your biokids should struggle so Skids can be on easy street.
DH and I have similar SD problems. They have been less severe because BM wanted to keep SD away from me, however, now that SD is 16, and no chance of me parenting her, BM is tired of her, and DH wants to play big happy family. Also, I am pretty sure BM will be glad to get SD out of her house when child support stops.

Newimprvmodel's picture

They are the first born. Special place in his heart regardless of how he and you are treated. You can't change this. My husband chased his ex in courtship and in marriage. She treated him like crap. First born daughter the same. His birthday came and went recently. No call from her and his only grandchild. His reaction?  I don't feel bad at all because she called me the week before.  Get the point?  I think and hope once your SD gets a life she won't be so much in your face. But you can't change your husband's feelings toward this daughter. Marginalize her. And as some else said focus on you and your life. 

why_bother_anymore's picture

My fear is this behavior of putting her first will ramp up more once she decideds to trap some man into a baby. She won't stay with said man, she's learned that from BM. I'm sorry but putting a 20 year old above your 9 year old is ridiculous. I guess only reasonable parents get the concept that the youngest needs more attention. I am trying to focus on myself. I was so upset and heartbroken over it, I had to rant somewhere. I got a hobby, that took me away from him and the this house. He complained so much that I had to quit it, there was always a fight bc DH wanted to do X with "us" meaning me and our DD9. So now I see it was just a control issue so I will be going back to said Hobby and he can complain until his face falls off. I am now at the mad part. I take alot, unfortunately how I was raised.

Newimprvmodel's picture

Funny you say about SD getting pregnant. So my first born SD did exactly that!  And she still is with the guy who likely is like her father. The point is you don't know what will happen and YOU don't need to let her be YOUR  focus. Your DH May chase after her.  Let him. Just ignore the whole scene. Especially her. Don't lift a finger. But at age 20?  She'll be moving on to find someone to finance her life. Like a guy. As I said my SD did. 

Winterglow's picture

I'm happy you are going back to your hobby. Throw yourself into it, girl! DuH can do things with DD9 on hisown for a change - he's perfectly capable but he just doesn't want to make the effort. Both will benefit from that. If you're tempted to give up again because of his whining, tell yourself that you're doing both your daughter and your husband a favour by giving them time to themselves for bonding.

why_bother_anymore's picture

When I was doing the hobby before, it took me out of the house. DH didn't spend time with DD9, he left her with my DD18. DH only cares to do what DH wants. He is extremely self-centered until it comes to the SD20. He won't even do things like that for SD17. I just don't understand it. I have my DS22 and DD18, they know DD9 comes first and that they are expected to be grown. Do I still have them here? yes. DS22 moves out 22nd of this month. He has been saving to do so, otherwise he couldn't afford to do it on his job. DS is moving in with friends. DH continues to whine about my DD18, who has been looking for a job for 2 years. She has went on multiple interviews but has extreme anxiety and they believe high functioning Austim. So I think that is hurting her in interviews because she isn't displaying "normal" emotions. She is extremely shy and calm. 

So yes I still take care of DD18, who just turned 18 this year. However, DD18 is responsible for chores and she is helping homeschool DD9. She also watches DD9 if I have to go to the dr, or the time I went on a work trip for 2 weeks where DD9 stayed home with DD18, THE ENTIRE TIME. DH would come home late from work, later than normal, eat, shower and go to bed. DD18 was the adult for DD9 that entire 2 weeks. DH didn't want me to even pay DD18, I did because that was only fair. 

why_bother_anymore's picture

Just wish he'd shown his true colors before I was married with a child of his but that's always the way right? DH continually says, when all the older kids are gone and it's just you, me and DD9. I reminded him that he told his SD20 that she is "always welcome". So therefore that will never happen until he cuts of his ATM status with his kids. 

Winterglow's picture

Maybe also remind him that you and DD9 might be long gone when that happens. I mean, why would you be content with crumbs and empty promises when you are more than capable of building a good life? Make him understand that you don't NEED him, if you're still here it's because you choose to be here and that can change in a flash. If he wants you to stay around he had better damn well pull up his socks!

Thumper's picture

What do YOU want to do? Do you want to go to a Family and Marriage Therapist ? Do you want to suck it up for now and stash money? Do you want to stay? Do you want to get a divorce?

Have you thought about that yet? 

I would go to a few sessions with a Family and Marriage Therapist. First by yourself, and then see if bringing in dh would be beneficial. 

jmo

 

 

 

why_bother_anymore's picture

I've tried to get DH into therapy with me before and he told me "they can't fix me". I am not even sure what that was supposed to mean. I will be getting myself back into theraphy. I am also in the process of paying off bills, so I can put money aside so that way I can do whatever it is I want to do. At this point, I am staying put, but that very well could change.

Rags's picture

Your DH needs to put the 20yo in her place and end the 20yo interfering in the 9yo's turn.

Or in other words, your DH is toxic idiot.  Just like his failed family progeny.

Nea

 

why_bother_anymore's picture

He definitely needs his priorities straightened out. However, at 10 years of marriage and 13 together, I don't see him smartening up anytime soon. So therefore, I am getting my financials in order, so if I decide to go, I can. This is my 2nd marriage and tbh I really didn't want to end up in this type of mess. I hadn't known anyone that had steps prior to me meeting this man.