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Building a bridge to a sensitive, anxious step-daughter

Quixote's picture

I will try to keep this concise:

 

A little background: I first met my step-daughter when she was eight. She has always been a very gentle, sensitive child. I did not have any children of my own when we met. I tried to be open and inviting, but not pushy. I think it worked fairly well. We had a good relationship; we weren't super close or anything, but we could joke around, have fun, or sit down and talk about serious things occasionally (bullying, her father, etc).

 

Issue A: When she was transitioning to teenager-hood, I got a new job and my fiancee had a baby. It was demanding and stressful and unfulfilling, but we needed to pay the bills while my fiancee took classes to get her degree. For about three years, I was generally tense and unhappy and frustrated. We were barely making ends meet.

 

Issue B: my parents were often "bulldozer parents". They tried to do everything for me. Even into my 20's, my father would insist on changing the oil on my car instead of showing me how. My mother would try to tell me when to cut my hair or trim my nails--I had to really fight for autonomy. I craved the ability to do things for myself. My parents were absolutely and entirely dedicated to their children, and for the most part they still are, but it definitely left me feeling like I wasn't very well-equipped to handle adult life.

 

Issue AB: between feeling like I was constantly behind the eight ball with my terrible job and my life as a new father/primary provider for the household and my perspective that children should be given tools to prepare them for life, I don't think I handled my step-daughter's first few years as a teenager very well. A few quick examples:

- when we got a dog and were struggling with housetraining, I noticed there was one plastic bag left in the little cannister we used to pick up puppy poop. When the dog pooped in the house again, I asked her when she had taken the dog out last, knowing that she hadn't and planning to catch her in the lie. Looking back, it wasn't a great approach.

- she was making breakfast for herself and her sister. I told her to use the back burner on the stove instead of the front for safety reasons. Then I told her not to use a metal spatula on the non-stick pan. And then I told her not to leave the toddler sitting on the counter in the bathroom while she went to grab a hairbrush from the next room -- three fairly blunt corrections, all within about 30 minutes, without any praise or thanks for the good things in-between. She started to cry and I went and sat in the bedroom and just thought about how I could do better.

- I was on the phone after an especially grueling day at work and she asked me if I could open a can for her, because she didn't know how to use a manual can opener. I just gave her this disgusted look and opened it. Like, "just...figure it out! It's not hard! Just look at it for like two minutes and put some effort into your life!" --I still feel the frustration, but the way I expressed it was nothing but damaging.

 

Issue C: her father has a lot of anger issues that seem to be rooted in fear. He works four jobs but is always broke. He never forgets a slight and carries a grudge seemingly forever. Sometimes he'll come park out on the street and my step-daughter will go sit in his car with him for a few hours to hang out. When she comes back in, she tells us that "all he did was complain about you guys the whole time." --that sort of thing. When she tells him to stop or stands up for what she feels is right, he explodes and sort of drives her into the ground. It seems like she's learned from him that, when someone is hurting you, all you can do is curl up in a little ball and take it, and just...not do anything to make them want to hurt you more. She cannot handle conflict of any kind. Granted, this is getting slowly better in small ways, but it still seems to be who she is, at her core.

And he has really put this pressure on her that "she's all he has". There's a lot of guilt and obligation there. He's told her that, when she turns 18, she can come move in with him to get away from us. She's expressed that she doesn't want to live with him all the time, but that she probably will, because she feels bad that he has no one else.

On top of that, she seems to have a similar thing to her father in that no one's attempts to be kind or show care are ever enough. There's just this emotional black hole inside both of them that's always craving more validation, more proof of affection.

Her therapist mentioned at one point that, when things aren't good with her father, she might feel like she has to make sure things aren't too good with me. Like, if our relationship is more pleasant than hers with her father, she's betraying him in some way. Which makes a lot of sense to me.

This guy is...a concern. Like, he checks a lot of the boxes for those guys who snap and track down and murder their ex one day, or who go on a shooting spree at the mall. A lot of anger, seemingly no positive coping mechanicsm and extremely socially isolated. So I hold a pretty firm line regarding this guy; no, we will not be friends some day. No, he can't come over and do laundry. No, I don't have $20 for him. But I also make sure to be empathetic and non-judgmental and never, ever criticize him or say anything negative about him in front of my step-daughter.

 

Current situation: I have backed all the way off of her. I try really hard to show interest in her and her life. "How was your weekend?", "did you guys have fun?", etc. But I don't force my presence on her, ever.

Except now she's 17 and it's like...I say hi when she walks in the door, and she won't even look at me four out of five times. If I try to participate in a conversation in our home, her knee-jerk response seems to be to scoff at me and make some comment about how I'm obviously wrong, don't know what I'm talking about or the like. If it's especially disrespectful, I'll say something--but it'll be really mild like, "whoa, hey. I didn't know that," or "I'm just trying to help, okay?" Like, palms out and placating, never aggressive and barely assertive--but that's maybe 1 out of 20 times.

There's also...some things that might be some kind of microagression? She never parks her car behind her mom's, only mine. And I work more days and get up earlier than either of them, so I have to move her car out of the way every time. Or like...I'll walk past her in the hall way, and I'll turn sideways, because it's pretty narrow, and she won't move to make room for me? But I don't know if that's anything or not.

She's not an angry person. She's more sullen and mopey than she is defiant. Every time I make dinner (I'm the only one that cooks in the house, and I really try to make something that'll be acceptable for a very picky 17-year-old's pallate), she sits down at the table with a look like she's about to cry and then just sort of picks at her plate for a bit and leaves.

 

My wife sees some of these issues, but not all of them--I learned a long time ago that coming to her with this information is not a productive line of discussion. She feels too defensive, too much like I'm complaining about *her* kid. I've tried to establish that I'm not singling her daughter out or anything; people who live together come into conflict sometimes, and teenagers are especially difficult. That's all. But my wife still sees these moments as unique problems between her daughter and her partner, whereas she can come down on her daughter for being disrespectful or unappreciative or whatever, and it's just parenting. I don't like that there's this distinction. It feels like anything I say or do gets put through this filter. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

But. My wife does see some of it. And she says she just doesn't really know what to do about it. I don't think there's anything to be "done". Like...my step-daughter isn't acting out or being terrible. I just wish there was something I could do to sort of mend the gap.

 

Sorry, that was a lot. Struggling to convey what feels like necessary info without going overboard. Anyway, any thoughts, new perspectives or potential resources would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

JRI's picture

I don't know what you can do about all this, especially with a 17yo.  What are the launch plans?  I'd disengage, be cordial and polite but back away from the rest.  Part of this is just teenage moodiness, imo.  But, she does have a touchy parental situation  I'm glad she's in therapy.  How's she doing in school?  Got friends?

Quixote's picture

Launch plans? I'm not familiar with the term, sorry.

 

And yeah, a big part of this is just being a teenager, neurological pruning and all that, I'm sure.

No therapy anymore; she graduated the program, then wanted to talk with someone for a while--her mom was concerned that she was seeking a sense of care and concern from the therapist and that it would be more enabling than actually bring about meaningful change. But then the therapist reported the father to CPS for potential emotional abuse (he just never answered the door or phone calls, so the case was closed), and she never went back.

She does okay in school and has a good handful of friends. As far as I can tell, anyway.

 

I feel like I've done nothing but disengage for the past 3-4 years. Sometimes it feels like I'm letting her and my wife down by not putting in more effort myself. But I'm not usually one of those super outspoken/outgoing people. I can be, in certain settings. But it is *hard* not to pick up on some of the energy in the room and reflect it back. There's only so much awkward tension I can absorb before I start to get uncomfortable myself.

JRI's picture

"Launch plan" is are they going to college after high school?  Military? Work?  It's what keeps many of us step-patents sane, knowing there's an end in sight.  Lol.

It's positive to hear she's doing well in school and has friends.

I'll share my teenage story (I'm 78).  My dad died in WW2 and my mom remarried V, a good man but inexperienced with kids.  I'm sure he thought I was a spoiled girl but he meant well and adopted me.  We never especially got along, different personalities.  Mostly, I stayed out of his way.  Things hit the fan when I became a teenager.  He was setting curfews and dating restrictions.  He was a serious problem to my social life.  It was the nadir of our relationship.  It took years for us to reconcile (the years it took me to mature).

Now that I'm on Steptalk, I see the wisdom of the bio paren't doing the discipline.  V would have done better to step back at that time.

So, thats why I suggest more disengagement.  And, talk to your wife about the launch plan.

Quixote's picture

Interesting. She's planning on going to college, but I wouldn't really say that's an "end in sight". I mean, to the day-to-day issues, I suppose. And those are really the main concern. But we're all members of the same family, regardless of where we are or what we're doing. I guess I was thinking more in terms of the long-term relationships, but those will obviously improve as she gets older and leaves these difficult years behind.

Winterglow's picture

How do your neighbours feel about an unknown male lurking in the street in his car on a regular basis? Bet it bothers them. Let them know that it's no skin off your teeth if the call the cops on him because they suspect him of casing their homes or lying in wait for some sexual prey...

On your part, start by taking time stamped photos of him sitting in his car outside your home. Then go to the police with them, tell them that he scares you and that he's stalking his ex and get a restraining order against him for you, your wife and, if possible, for your stepdaughter. I'd be willing to bet good money that a lot of the problems you're having with her will vanish when she has no contact with her father for a while.

Quixote's picture

It's not an issue anymore (but that's mostly because she has her own car, I think). Previously, we lived in an apartment complex, so he was just parked in one of the public stalls.

Getting the police involved has been tricky, even when he was being more overtly problematic. Causing problems with him results in him causing problems with his daughter, and she's too sensitive and emotional to be able to understand that we're not responsible for his actions. We'd be morally and ethically in the clear, in my opinion, but it would hurt her and make her life harder. Plus, he's more than capable of making things harder for us. He's reported my wife for "suspected fraud", taken her to court based on false accusations--it's emotionally and financially exhausting.

Whenever he's done something that seemed imminently threatening, I've taken immediate action. I work for the Division of Child and Family Services, so I'm very familiar with what my options are. We're as safe as we can be.

ESMOD's picture

IMHO, the girl probably needs to continue to have therapy due to the issues with her father.

She needs to learn that she is not responsible for her father.. not for his happiness.. not to take care of him.  She needs to understand this is HER time.. a time for her to start a wonderful life for herself.. and that there is nothing she can do to save her dad.. 

I'm a little surprised that when the therapist reported the abuse that the response was to allow her to stop going.. so she wouldn't get him in any more trouble.. I am assuming.. CPS would have wanted more follow up but maybe they are just overwhelmed.  

I know you said talking to her mom is hard.. but I think if you approach it from the POV.

"I'm really worried about her wellbeing.. her dad really seems to put her through the emotional wringer and that's a lot for a girl her age to bear as a burden.  Are you worried that if he forces her to move in with him that she will have no escape from his emotional abuse?  I just want to see her have a happy life and I think she needs to learn to stand up to him.. or how to properly include him in her life so he doesn't take it over.

Quixote's picture

Continued therapy would be a mixed bag. She could definitely benefit from it, but she also seems to seek validation through therapy ("I'm in therapy. I have problems. Everyone feel bad for me and pay attention to me"). But she is learning these things. Slowly, but she is.

The "response" wasn't to "allow her" to stop going. Trying to force someone into therapy is worse than pointless (something my work has taught me a hundred times over). She felt betrayed by her therapist and was scared that her father would get into more trouble and get mad at her.

CPS won't pursue a case like this indefinitely. They essentially recorded that they attempted to make contact with him X number of times without success and the case was closed. If another case comes along, this one's existence in his history may lend more weight and credibility to the next. But with emotional abuse, it's so hard to prove anything anyway. And I know they're horrendously understaffed; we're supposed to have 24 caseworkers in our office alone and we have 6 now.

 

I've actually had several very healthy and productive conversations with my wife about the whole situation lately. I really just stressed the idea that she comes into conflict with her daughter, just like I do, and I'd like to treat both situations the same.

Harry's picture

Make it like she doesn't exist.  No anything for her.  It's not going to get better.  Just will try to used you when she can .

Quixote's picture

This...goes against everything I've been taught. It will get better. I just get tired of it sometimes, but that's why I've backed off and given her space--for both our sakes.

Rags's picture

up over misplaced self blame and guilt, and for damned sure stop tolerating and making excuses for this toxic teens sullen manipulative disrespectful crap and sadly for your mates failed parenting as evidenced by your 17yo Skid..

NOW!

ZERO TOLERANCE for rude disrespectful behaviors.  

Stop giving a SHIT about her fee fees. They do not matter. Make it all, and I do mean all, about her chosen behaviors. She chooses to be disrespectful and toxic, she gets full on zero tolerance escalating misery inducing consequence. She is the one choosing the behaviors, make sure she owns the consequences for those choices.

Her fee fees don't matter and her POS Spermidiot for damned sure does not matter.

If your DW takes exception then put it all on her. If she does not like how you parent and discipline, she can step up and get it done before  you have to.  There should be zero tolerance for the disrepectful behaviors perpetrated by her failed family spawn.  She steps up, parents and disciplines, or she bites her tongue and has your back.  Disagreements can be discussed when the two of you are in private.

Probably the one common thing that drives me nuckin futz about SParents, and I am one, is the penchant for blaming ourselves for the crap behaviors of our mate's failed family progeny, the baggage those kids are  victimized by the shallow and polluted end of their gene pools with, and many of our mate's who want to make excuses for the ill behaved spawn many of them bring to our lives rather than actually parenting to prepare their children for live and viable adulthood.

Our expectaions for our own lives and the behaviors of those in our lives are a hill we should all be willing to die on. Figuratively of course.
 

Rather than commiting to parental failure by trying to protect their failed family progeny from life, we should require our mate to prepare their children for life.

As SParents, we are not the B team rescue squad. We are the A team quality partner to our mate. We do have to tolerate crap kid  behavior regardless of what the history may entail.  In fact, we should not tolerate it.

If we chose well in our mate, they won't tolerate it either.

Even with your bulldozer parents, you have figured it out.  I applaud that your are raising your own children to viable adulthood and are leading them to the skills to succeed in life.

Take care of you.

Evil4's picture

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was too chicken to post a comment saying what Rags said, but honestly, after what I've been through with my mini-wife on steroids running the house and ruling the roost with her pathetic display of supposed fee-fees, I'm so sick and tired of parents tip-toing around these very manipulative toxic brats. 

I have even dealt with this at work for years until upper management finally saw the light and marched two very manipulative women out the door about four months ago. It's been bliss ever since. These are women in their late 40s and mid 50s and if people like your SD don't get called out and continue to have people dance around them, they will grow up and continue to over-power everyone else with their "delicate feelingsy foodles." 

Honestly, Quixote, I was in a rage from just reading your post. For years, my DH neglected me and our marriage in favour of allowing himself to get totally powned by a child. It was pathetic. I almost walked. DH and I were in intensive therapy and we were both told to tell SD that the jig is up. I developed a backbone and both my SD33 and DH have been informed in no uncertain terms that I do not allow any vibe-killers or those who partake in "look at me syndrome" in MY house. A first offence will be the last. 

Rags's picture

being the person we like being is a powerful one.

While not in the context of blended family or a second marriage, this is the primarly lesson I got out of the demise of my first marriage. I am eternally grateful to the Doc (therapist) who worked with me first as our marriage counselor, then after my XW walked out of session after 6mos, my personal therapist for 5more months.

My commitment to myself is to never stop being the person/man I like being and also to never tolerate anyone who interferes in that commitment to myself.

I am happy that you have successfully dealt with this in your work and in your marriage/blended family.

It is my turn to solve it at work.  Every day I am closer to being done.   The company is a bit nervous because I have been mentioning things like "hostile work environment", "co-employmernt", etc...  I am not the only one apparently.

Evil4's picture

"It is my turn to solve it at work.  Every day I am closer to being done.   The company is a bit nervous because I have been mentioning things like "hostile work environment", "co-employmernt", etc...  I am not the only one apparently."

That's what I did. I told them that it's a hostile and downright nasty work environment. I must say that executive management really stepped up. There is one remaining quasi-bully, who happens to be my direct supervisor, who will back down and even grovel if someone stands up to him. I let him know that something he did will not be tolerated. His supervisor is really keeping him under his thumb and Quasi knows that one more wrong move and he's out. We have new blood and my team is a dream team. They have no qualms at all about speaking up, so no one tries to crap on us anymore. They are very confident, so I totally agree with your point that being the person we like really makes a huge difference in whether or not we stand up for ourselves. 

This post actually reminded me of one of the women who was fired and escorted out by security. She constantly acted all put out and "sensitve" and "damaged" and all that. She used her fee-fees to gain control and it worked for about a decade. I deleted most of my previous blogs but I had posted about my former workplace a few times and I had a teammate who acted EXACTLY like Quixote's SD does. They had an organizational psychologist come in and when management asked why the employee acts that way and what must have happened to her, the psychologist blasted them and said nothing happened and if it did, she should heal before coming to a workplace and making everyone else miserable. She does it because it works. She has people chasing her and trying to comfort her and constantly placate her, so every time someone does that, it reinforces her behaviour because she gets the message that what she does works. The psychologist told management to do what you said in your comment to the OP. To no longer stand for her behaviour. 

Rags's picture

THIS^^^^^^  It is nearly all encompassing when applied to the crap SParents struggle with regarding idiot partners and their toxic failed family progeny.

They do it... because it works.

The most direct path to resolution on what we all struggle with in Blended Fam life, work, etc... is ....... make it so the toxic choices of others no longer work.  Those perpetrating toxic will change if they no longer benefit from their behavioral choices.  IMHO of course

Take away the benefit that they get, they will stop.  Eventually. Either to avoid the negative consequences, or... when they are purged from the lives of their targeted victims or escorted out the door  of the employment environment they have been victimizing. 

 

Quixote's picture

Wow. I mean. I get the frustration. I do. I'm right there with you, sometimes. And that ending message, "take care of you"? Absolutely. That's vital stuff. But the rest...I just can't.

Everything I've been taught at the Division, all of the neuropsychological studies and evidence-based programs we've read about and been trained with, urge us away from this kind of thinking. People do things for reasons. It's really that simple. Empathy is the key to human existence.

But I'll admit, something important that a lot of caseworkers struggle with is the fact that *we* are people, too. And we deserve our own empathy and forgiveness for our shortcomings. Which goes back to that "take care of you" thing.

 

Looking back, I may have painted an innaccurate picture. I'm not some poor, dejected slob who can't be bothered to ask for respect. Admittedly, I wrote my initial post at a fairly low and tired point. But I'm okay, for the most part. Our teenager is the least teenager-y teenager I've ever met. She's not rebellious or aggressive or blatantly disrespectful. She's sulky and moody, sure. She's very sensitive too. But that's a double-edged sword. I'm just looking for a way to overcome this barrier and be there for her and make our family stronger and more cohesive as a whole, that's all.

Evil4's picture

"People do things for reasons. It's really that simple."

Yes, and sometimes that reason is to get something out of others. They try behaviour A, it doesn't work. They try behaviour B, it doesn't work. Oh, but behaviour C got me what I wanted. Eureka! Then the behaviour is reinforced every time someone chases them. That is in the case of someone who has discovered that using their fee-fees works for them.

I have education in psychology and am a social scientist, plus my own lengthy backgroun in therapy. I have worked in the same line of work as you. My past therapist and current one said when I asked why the F SD hasn't healed and why does So-and-So act so wounded and not heal at all after being fawned on and coddled and I was told (plus learned in my eduation) that yes, people do things for a reason, but sometimes they do things to get people dancing to their tune. I had to learn to stop falling for it and to stop my go-to F response out of the four Fs: fawning. It just doesn't work and it's exhausting and in the meantime the hurt and put-out poor waif remains the focal presence. 

ESMOD's picture

I see this in the interraction that my DH's two Gss's have.  Their mom (OSD).. says they are always fighting/crying.. they are 6 and 3.  Well.. it's clear to see how this dynamic is working.

OGSS.. doesn't have great impulse control.. he is constantly teasing and taking things from his little brother.. he does it because no one stops him.. and he gets what he wants.. a reaction.. the toy shovel.. he doesn't listen when told to "not do things".. because.. that's all they do.. just repeat the same "don't do that".. but never actually intervene to disrupt the behavior.

YGSS.. cries .. and whines almost constantly.. and guess what happens?  his parents do whatever they need to to stop the whining.

So.. OGSS pries shovel out of YGSS's hands.. YGSS throws fit.. crying.. and mom says.. "OGSS.. give the shovel to your brother so he will stop crying".. so younger kid learns.. I cry.. I get what I want.. and it takes a million times where they won't get their way to overcome just a few times they do.

OGSS still takes the things he wants because he is bigger and can.. and most of the time no one sees him do it.. so mostly he gets the reward of getting what he wants... and not too many consequences for the attempts.

 

Evil4's picture

OMG! YES!!!!

Way back when my SKs 31 and 33 were 5 and 7, SS was the worst behaved out of the two. It was so bad that DH couldn't take the SKs out in public or to extended family events. DH was humiliated constantly by SS' behaviour.

After I had to launch myself to tackle SS (5 at the time) when he went into a full sprint towards a highway and wouldn't stop, DH went to therapy to try to find out "what was wrong" with SS that he would never stop what he was doing when told. Some sessions were with him alone, some with him and BM and some with him and I. Well, I witnessed for myself, and BM admitted that she was told the same thing by the therapist, that DH and BM had literally trained SS to continue doing what he wasn't supposed to do. Both BM and DH were Disneyland parents and scared shitless of parenting the kids. They, especially SS, were literally feral. Well, the routine was that SS would be doing something and DH would say in his overly twangy, fake phoney lilt voice "don't do that, SS." DH has a very deep voice and very commanding from leading large numbers of IT professionals and he has major balls when it comes to that, but for SS, it was phoney lilt and twangy voice time barely audible. When SS would continue what he was doing and ignore DH, he would simply repeat one more time in his sucky voice "don't do that." Then SS would keep right on going and DH would stop because he "didn't want to be a nag." I spilled the beans in a session and the therapist told DH that there's the reason SS is such an out of control brat. DH (and BM) had literally trained him to be that way. SS had learned that all he had to do to continue his fun was to just ignore two commands and that was it. DH actually had a major pikachu face when the therapist pointed that out as if DH couldn't figure it out that he was a piss-poor parent.

God! I have PTSD from just remembering that. LOL

Quixote's picture

Suuure, I get that. But I don't see anyone being fawned over. Her mom has coddled her at different points in her life, in different ways, but when it comes to her behavior and her respect for others, she has higher expectations than I do (as seems fitting, as her biological mother).

The hard part in our situation is...hm. How to put this. It's tricky to see the difference between "I am deliberately doing this to get a reaction or make a point" and "I am just generally mopey, anxious and awkward." And given the learned behavior she seems to have acquired from her father (i.e. keep your head down, don't engage, don't stand up for yourself and don't give anyone a reason to want to hurt you", the latter option seems to be the most likely, most of the time.

I guess it's hard to walk the line between being open for when she's in a headspace to actually interact, not taking it personally when she's not, and being united with her mom in encouraging her to stand up for herself/take accountability/cope with hardship. It's complex and messy and it can be exhausting, but that's life. Just need to remind myself that I'm not doing something wrong. Or, if I am, it's at least the best I can do in that moment. Forgive myself and strive to learn from my mistakes--more balancing acts.

 

It's good to see a community that's so supportive and passionate. I'm glad I reached out. Thank you all again.

Survivingstephell's picture

As a girl mom ( 4  BD/2SD ) I was waiting for Rags to chime in with his straight to the point message.  I also agree that mom needs to set her straight, give her some basic expectations for decent behaviors towards others in the home and to not give in to her victim mentality.   I laid the law down with my bios that they were not to disrespect either of their step parents.   I don't know why bio parents refuse to do this.  If you have your partner as your first priority ( kids are first responsibility) how could you not demand respect from your offspring??!?   I also have a HCBM that undermined skids into hating.  YSD hasn't drank the koolaid and now at 23 is reaching out to us for life advice.  I believe that happened because 1. I backed off totally when she a teen (BM ramped up the PAS then) and 2 she saw us as a unit, a dependable rock to rely on.  
 

Stop chasing her.  Stop feeling guilty.  Embrace your role as an adult in your own home.  

Rags's picture

It works.

The spouses/marriage are the unequivocal priority. The only one. Kids are the top adult relationship responsibility.  Understanding the difference is critical.  IMHO.

Kids who are raised under the umbrella of a commited equity partnership/relationship with standards for behavior and standards for performance... succeed at a far greater frequency than those who are raised by Disney guilt ridden parents who cater to them and protect them from life rather than preparing them for life.  

My SS-30 will upon occassion thank his mom and I for how we raised him.  He is thriving. His three younger half sibs on the SpermClan side are going down in flames as adults (welfare, prison, arrests, etc...).  We had no grand plan. We just used the examples we were raised with, adjusted those parent tapes as we pursued our life together, and we committed to raise SS to viable adulthood.  So far... it is turning out pretty well.

Interestingly, we went to dinner with DW's Kindergarten BFF  and her BF last night. She is in a ~1+yr relationship with a younger man with two teens (SD-16, SS-13) by two different baby mamas.  She has two adult children who are reasonably well launched (DS-27, DD-21) and is about 2yrs post divorce of a 25yr marraige (both of her kids are joint for she and her XH).  She also has an older SS who she is close with. It is apparently going fairly well for all 4 of them (the adults and the two Skids).  

We were talking about blended families. DW was raised by her BM and a StepDad. Our son was raised by BM and a StepDad.  DW's Kinder-BFF helped raise an SS. I played the "Kids are the top responsibility, they are not the top priority" card.  Not surprisingly, the reaction was about what it would have been if I had stood up and started peeing on their legs.  

"We always make his kids the priority!!!!!".  

Explaining that kids need the structured adult relationship as an example and framework to thrive under, was only marginally successful. We had a great time over all.  My "priority Vs responsibility" comments seemed to be mostly mitigated by the two huge boxes of booze and wine I put in their car after dinner.  Hey, we had to do something to empty the liquor cabinet before we sign closing docs on the sale of our home tomorrow AM.

Pardon

Quixote's picture

Yeah, I don't think anyone's "given in to her victim mentality." If anything, my wife is less inclined to do that than I am. And she does set a standard for deceny and respect. I also don't think I've been chasing anyone; I feel like, if I backed off anymore, I'd be giving her the silent treatment or something.

I try not to feel *too* guilty, but I accept my part in the issue. And I'll keep looking for opportunities to reach out, but I'm not going to put myself in a bad way doing so. Not a chance.

Quixote's picture

The concept of responsibility versus priority is a valuable one I haven't heard before. I'll be sure to keep that in mind, in my family life and at work.

Thank you all for your perspectives and feedback.

Ispofacto's picture

I recommend buying a copy of The Manipulative Child: How to Regain Control and Raise Resilient, Resourceful, and Independent Kids.

After you read it, ask yourself if you still think she's not manipulative.

 

Evil4's picture

THIS!

Several years ago when my SD33 was shunning me while living with us full time, I thought that I would use my coaching background to take action. I made a plan to make three contacts a day towards SD. It never worked. It went on for months and each and every time, I got smacked down. I was in therapy and my therapist told me to shun the bitch right back. I was stunned because I didn't think that's what therapists would say. He went on to tell me why. He said that every time I attempt at reaching out to her, I hand over yet another opportunity for her to reject me, which continues to give her power. She is manipulating and it's working. I returned from my session as a shunner. It really threw my SD off. She was getting off on treating me like crap and now she couldn't. She started to suffer consequences for her actions, one of which was that her SM gave up and played the same game as her. I felt liberated and I didn't realize until I stopped making attempts that each time I felt degraded and humiliated that a teenage bitch had so much power. My therapist even went on to tell DH that SD shouldn't be given the power to bring the mood of the entire house down as our other kids were impacted and DH's and my marriage was impacted because DH was so depressed and pissed off all the time from SD being so damn sour. Removing her power and role as focal presence was a game-changer.