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Munchkin is going to the dark side

CLove's picture

Last Sunday night we had a BIG argument. We talked a bit, but nothing was really resolved. It wasnt all bad, but she did a sort of scream-cry like her sister used to, at me.

I was able to tell her that I do love her to pieces but she needs to work on some things. Help more around the house. 

Last night DH and I were talking about it in his man-cave, in between the football game.

He had spoken to her and explained that he too had been affected. That she had slammed the door and that was not ok. That the issue was not cry-worthy.

She apologised to him.

As of today, two days later, I have not heard or seen a texted apology. AND I was the one affected.

I am at that point I always threaten to be, on those bad days. The point of saying "ask your father" when she needs something. The point of not wanting to be alone in the house with her when DH is off fishing or doing an errand. The point of no return where she becomes her sister. And mother. The dark side of her is winning.

What was the fight about? It was triggered by something stupid. But it just shows me that there is so much simmering under the surface. Im having a tough time geting through these teen years. HELP!

So what was that darn fight about anyway...

Oh, yes, Cobra Kai. I was watching an episode with the big tournament scene, and she asked  me to turn the sound way down. It was about 9:30 on Sunday. When I said no, she got angry huffed off and slammed her door. When I knocked on the door and she opened it she was crying and I got even madder. She wanted to do some school work. I said "well, you have all day during the week. You had all weekend. this is my two days to do my things that I want to, but cannot."

Then I added "you have all this time to do whatever, and you never help out around the house." to which she yelled back at me "you never ask for anything" to which I answered "because i have a hard time with that, because Im always walking on eggshells around you." To which she balled up her fists and glared at me and the argument just continued to escalate and she sort of scream cried at me. Parents you know what Im talking about.

and she sounded JUSt like her sister did. 

And she told me that she was trying to do her schoolwork, because she is "dedicated".

This "dedicated kid" has a near perfect score in her schoolwork, but was missing 2 assignments as of yesterday. One was from Friday.

What do I do? Do I insist on apology? Her father got one. Shes with her mother all week this week. Should I text her, or just wait until next week. Or just forget the whole thing? Im at that bridge I knew might be in my future. 

Add that Friday she told me that she lost 10 lbs. However she still outweighs me and Im chunky and taller. So there is that to worry about (not my monkee?) DH wants me to help him with her weight, he wants my involvement.

JRI's picture

I'm not big on apologies anyway.  I'd just chalk it up to "teenage".  I think you might be understandably hyper-sensitive from your experiences with mom and sister.  To be honest, if I asked somebody in my house to turn down the tv and they refused, I'd feel like slamming my door, too.

Next time she comes over, I'd let it pass and save my energies for bigger issues.  I'd also start asking for her specific help more often.  

Hang in there, Clove.  She is a good person, doing well in school, and navigating a tricky home situation.  She is worth it.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

I agree - I would let the apology go. As long as she is getting her homework done - does it matter when she does it? In my household, homework would outweigh loud tv. Is there a way she can get noise cancelling headphones to wear? Or maybe headphones for the tv?

Start asking for her help with things. It is possible she just doesn't see what needs to be done. I was that way as a teenager - I just never noticed household chores that needed to be done. When my Mom would ask, I would do it. She may just be oblivious.

CLove's picture

Thats another point- shes missing work, so its obvious to me that she is more interested in playing videos and chatting and playing games. She wasnt truly interested in getting the work done. Im thinking she needs to get it done during the week...

BethAnne's picture

I would either just leave it as JRI suggested or approach the topic when she his next over but with some consideration for the fact that you also were involved in the escalation of the argument too by bringing up topics other than her huffing and slamming the door. 

She was trying to do her school work, even if it was not at the time that you felt she should do it. It sounds like she is struggling right now for some reason to complete her school work and that it is out of character for her. She may be feeling fustrated with herself for not being on top of things as much as she usually is and so you pointing that out just played on her insecurities and intensified her fustrations.

CLove's picture

Ive been told by her that Im "easy" to deal with, and sometimes I just boil over. I collect the hurts so to speak. I am the one to get the updates and therefore see when there is missing work, so Ive communicated to teachers on her behalf. She is not alone in this...

Livingoutloud's picture

I think it's legitimate request to turn tv down. I cant stand loud tv.

I don't think it was a good idea to bring up how she doesn't do chores when she was already upset. Sure she acted out of proportion but you kind of help to escalate the conflict by adding more to the fire. 

online schooling isn't particularly easy and one or a few missing assignments isn't a big deal. It's commendable she wanted to make assignments up. 

id let apology go especially since you contributed to the level of intensity of an argument 

also teenagers are dramatic. It's a given 
 

 

 

 

 

CLove's picture

Generally I do not have it loud. I dont have anything in the house loud, even radio.

And DH was the one who installed the surround sound.

BUT I get that escalating things was partially my fault. So no apologies will be given. Its Tuesday.

I made the point about her school work missing because she really wasnt that concerned about doing her schoolwork. I think she just wanted to have the sound lowered.

Someone else had made the point about noise canceling head phones.

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-best-noise-canceling-true-wireless-earbuds...

 

justmakingthebest's picture

I am pretty sure Munchkin and my DD are close to the same age... around 13 right? 

My daughter is on this rollercoaster with emotions. Last night she went from crying that she hates her life, hates her family to curled up with me like she was 3 again. Sometimes she calms down, apologizes for being ugly and other times she festers about it for days. It is the age. 

I would let this one go. You are right and recognize that the fight was silly and not really about anything important. Maybe you can even pick up a inexpensive noise canceling earbuds for her so she can plug into her phone and listen to quiet music and not hear the rest of the house? I am not saying that she should be rewarded for being nasty buuuttt this might be one of those solve both your problems things. 

CLove's picture

And going to be 15 in 6 months. Yes, we are on that rollercoast as well. But since I am the step-monster, I dont get that break that parents get. Her father and mother get the apologies, I NEVER get any of those AT ALL. no hugs for me...nada. When shes upset with me, I get cold shouldered to the max.

Noise canceling - thats a thought...make everyone happy. Ill bring it up to her father.

Im at the point that I want to skip through this bratty teenager phase and just get another puppy.

justmakingthebest's picture

If you happen to find out how to skip it- PLEASE let this mom know! Between my 13 and 15 yr old bios and SS16 and SS20 (with all his issues) I am losing my mind!!

I will say that I ALWAYS make my kids apologize to DH and I know that my exH is the same for his wife. We both know that we love those pain in the asses forever but step parents are loving and taking care of them by choice. They don't deserve the crap. 

MissK03's picture

So, I think you and I seem to have similar relationships with our SDs. If I said no to turning down the tv...100% what you described would have went down.

Monday I was helping her with music homework. It's all online but, the last few questions are multiple choice. (You watch a video and throughout the video you answer questions) 
 

Anyways, teacher was teaching about composers and stuff. So she plays a song.. clearly SD or myself haven't  heard it before. Question pops up... "have you heard this song before" a)no b)yes. I was like haha no we haven't it. SD pick no. Thing pops up that it was "wrong" I laughed and was like must be a trick question. 

 

Now, this is the beginning of the meltdown.... yes  get watery... she's making that OMMMGGGGG face. I NEED TO GET THEM RIGHHHHTTTTT. I was like SD CHILLLLLLL. 
 

Next question, thing pops wrong. I'm like wtf I was pretty sure it was right. Now we have legit tears. I'm like SD I'm walking away now not dealing with the drama. She just starts crying. Whatever.

 

20 minutes later.... oh I emailed the teacher. (She emailed SD back quick) and she "messed up" on some the questions. Me: Oooooohhhhhhhhh okkkkk. 
 

She didn't apologize for being dramatic. She's 13, some things we have to let go. 

CLove's picture

In munchkin land. She tells me that she cries all the time in her room, because her father tells her not to cry. He will admit this, and tells her that "this is not something worth crying over"...that seems to calm things down.

advice.only2's picture

Oh I feel you with those teenage girl vibes!! It's hard to understand and not take it personally, especially when its not your kid, but let me tell you this is normal...I know crazy right?!?!
I got home from work the other day and was trying to talk to BD14 about school and she was telling me she has a test in geography (which she's not doing to hot in). I said well maybe this weekend we can go over the study guide and help you get ready for the test. Suddenly BD14 got defensive, angry, tears are running down her face. I'm so mean for trying to tell her she needs help with school, she basically tells me she doesn't need any help and every time she asks for help I seem to struggle with helping her...oh yes she was on a roll. I told her to stop, calm down and all I was saying is IF she needed help we could help her. But nope too late the drama train was at full steam. She huffed off to her room to cry and slam the door. Yeah so these girls are like little ticking time bombs, and you never know what is going to set them off.

CLove's picture

Its HARD. And tougher because we generally get along. Really well. Ok, so this is NORMAL...I will need to read and re-read this...

tog redux's picture

If a teenager huffs off and slams their door, leave them be. Talk about it all later when they are calm.

CLove's picture

and keep calm.

ICanMakeIt's picture

a bit of PMS teenager happening. I would give her a hug when you see her next and tell her you are sorry the two of you had a fight and you are going to start asking and relying on her more for some help around the house.

Don't convict her based on her sister and mother. She has a lot of your good influence running through her too.

Maybe show a little grace with her and try to remember what it's like with hormones not to mention toxic mom and sis.

You are right more than wrong but sometimes they just need a soft place to fall. You are doing good hang in there .

CLove's picture

I try, I try...Im hoping to be a good influence. These are the important years too. Should I reach out or wait for "our time"?

JRI's picture

Back in the day, my counselor told me that if kids can't act out at home (slamming doors, mouthing off), they do it outside the home.

CLove's picture

I know this. I told DH this as well. But then my mind gets to work on me...AND I over think things...

CLove's picture

I am not sure what to do these days.

I guess Ill just have to see how things play out.

DPW's picture

Once again you have an episode with Munchkin that is unhealthy and you come here to ask if you should disengage. Once again, most say yes and most say your DH is not pulling his weight. But it continues. Isn't that the definition of insanity - trying the same thing over and over again with no different result? I'm not trying to be hard on you but I put myself in Munchkin's shoes and I feel for her. Your relationship with her is getting more toxic and you really need to assess your role in that and make changes.

CLove's picture

I told DH last night that I am disengaging. It IS unhealthy, the dynamics. There was more that transpired last weekend. But I held back on saying anything. Sunday night was the culmination of the whole weekend. I boiled over.

Disengagement - its tough when the kid is asking me for help and asking me to parent her. I told DH that I am going to be telling his daughter to "ask her father" when she needs anything. I have no plans to discuss it with her, or reach out. Not today. Previously I have texted or whatever. Called. Reached out in some way. Not this time.

I do feel for Munchkin too. Her mother and sister being so toxic. Her father being so laid back with respect to her health. 

So, perhaps with this latest episode, I am a little less insane...

Rags's picture

I am firmly team nurture over nature.  I am also firmly of the perspective that shallow and polluted gene pools are extremely challenging to overcome even when those providing nurture are the full time or near full time parenting influence on the child.

When the source of the shallow and polluted half of a kid's gene pool is the CP, there is nearly zero chance for nurture to prevail over nature.

In the Munchkin's case, she has 2x the influence of the shallow and polluted half of her gene pool.  The direct shit gene source of Toxic Troll and the duplicate toxic influence of the shit Toxic Troll genes carried by the Feral Forger.

Munchkin is extremely fortunate to have both her dad and you in her life.  She knows it, she also knows that her mother and sister are shit.  The shit side of the genetic force is strong and Munch will have a life long struggle against it.  Having her nose firmly rubbed repeatedly in the behavioral crap she chooses to perpetrate is really the only option that you and DH have with her.  The scream/cry and rude crap she recently pulled should be met with new locks installed when she arrives for her next visit.  She has earned the elimination of access to your home without a very humiliating apology to you. DH did a great job of getting his point across and she really had little choice but to apologize to her daddy.  That she has avoided an apology to you escalates the consequences for her chosen behavior towards you.

When she knocks to come in on her next visit, since she will have no key to the new locks, answer the door, inform her that her behavior was unacceptable and she will not enter YOUR home until she apologizes with a very specific

. Then stand there until she does with THE look on your face.  If she starts to build up to a shit gene induced scream/cry shut her down and give the very clear message that how she moves forward from that moment will define the rest of her childhood and potentially the rest of her life because if she chooses to behave as her POS mother and POS sister behave that the love and support she gets from you and her father will take a very unpleasant form going forward with total confrontation of any behavioral shit she pulls.  

You and DH may just get enough time with the Munchkin to counter the shit genes she is cursed with by the Toxic Troll and influenced by Feral Forger.  It will be a closely run thing that will require you and her father to be on your game constantly.  Be very clear that the scream/cry is pure Feral Forger and she is choosing to act as her POS sister acts.

Be wary, be assertive with Munch, and take care of yourself.  You and DH should consider a very relaxing quarantine vacation to a remote though luxurious destination for just the two of you time.  You will both need your bond to be very strong for the run to the finish line in raising Munch.  You may consider bringing Munch out for the last couple of days of your luxury quarantine retreat so leverage that investment to influence her a bit as a transition from the recent highly tense situation to a positive forward focused position.

I am sorry she is baring her shit genes toward  you.

Take care of you.

CLove's picture

Yes, the more I have thought about it, the more I realize that her screaming and yelling at me deserves an apology. And the more time that has gone by, an apology is less and less likely, until she wants something, or needs my help.

So I should go a bit scorched earth, eh? 

Im vacilating between being forgiving, just to keep things nice for the next few years, and really doubling down on teaching the essence of what she will lose if she loses me.

I have been sort of planning something this weekend. Im taking Friday off and want to make a nice day and evening getting things done so we have the weekend freed up for "hijinks".

And a day trip somewhere fun and relaxing or an afternoon/late afternoon boat cruise with snacks in our new fishing boat. Its difficult planning a luxury trip because California has about 26 fires going on right now, but I feel we do need to strengthen our bond for the teen years ahead.

I just have to take a few steps back and let things organically happen. I see a LOT of her mother in her. A LOT of impatience and laziness and lashing out. Her father did talk to her, but Im thinking that he will need to talk to her about how she treated me. Except her free card is that I escalated things myself too.

I just boiled over from her growing sense of entitlement (the whole whining because she "only got 2 thing and we got 2 things" that I paid for) and how she reacted when I told her no I wasnt turning it down.

I really need to toughen up. Thanks for the advice. 

Rags's picture

I would be direct with her.  Organic does not work to resolve issues though it is a highly developed way of ignoring issues.   IMHO.

"You did XYZ and LMNOP, I could not tolerate it and I got angry.  So, pull your head out of your butt, appoligize for your manipulative inappropriate use of your idiot sister's scream/cry crap and we weill get back to being family. If you choose to not appoligize get out of my house and don't come back until you are ready to truly appologize.  Get it? You are entirely in control of how this works out.  Chose to go down the same path as your mother and sister and we are done.  Be who we have raised you to be and we are good. Your call."

IMHO of course.