Living with Extended Family
I know that this is not a forum to talk about in laws but a lot of the issues I'm facing with my mother in law are SO incredibly similar to what we experience with step kids, especially teen step kids and adult step kids. So I guess I'm just looking to vent and if I get good advice, even better.
My husband is from Venezuela, his mom was still living there when we married. We brought his mom over on a VISA a little over two years ago. We were newlyweds but I agreed to let her live with us for one year until she got on her feet. It's now been over two years and she is still here.
It took her about 18 months before she even started looking for a job. And then, it was only because DH was forcing her to and literally driving her places. In the meantime, my husband was buying her anything she wanted- and she has expensive taste. She does not pay any bills or buy any groceries for the family. She does send a lot of boxes of things back home to Venezuela which is very expensive {$70 just for shipping one box}. She and her daughters who live in different countries use my Netflix and Amazon Prime accounts because she gave them the passwords.
When she started working full time, she began doing her own grocery shopping. She only buys enough food to cook her lunches for work and she keeps it separate from everyone else's food. She does not buy her own foods for breakfast or dinner. She does not cook for anyone else but herself, unless we specifically ask her to. She doesn't clean up after herself after she cooks.
Before she started working full time, her only "jobs" around the house were to do dishes and clean the bathroom once a month. And even though she did a lot of dishes, everyone in the house also helps with that, especially my husband. I feel like if I was living with someone full time and paying zero bills, I would clean the entire house every day without being asked.
And by the way, she is 60 but she's VERY young and healthy. Very strong. Works out, walks 3 miles daily. Dances and gardens. Not your average 60 year old. So she's more than capable of helping out around the house.
Ever since she has started working full time, she now does NOTHING around the house at all. She doesn't even clean up after herself. She will be in the kitchen making herself breakfast, listening to us talk about how hungry we are and what we should make for breakfast. When we cook, we always ask her if she wants some. Always. She never does. It's so bizarre and rude, IMO.
I've had endless talks with my husband about getting her to contribute more to the household in some way. He'll agree but then do nothing. And if/when I complain about it, he tells me I should be the one to confront her. I disagree. I feel like I should just be able to relax and enjoy getting to know her.
She has learned English but she refuses to speak in English if my husband is around. But I speak enough Spanish that I could understand their conversations if I tried. The thing is, she makes it extremely clear that she's not speaking to me. She doesn't look at me, she doesn't speak TO me. She often speaks ABOUT me or the kids in Spanish, right in front of us, but looking at my husband. And we know it because she uses our names. I often feel like a 3rd wheel or like I'm invisible to her. This happens all the time at the dinner table. She and husband talk to each other. The kids and I talk to each other. That's it.
My husband has started refusing to address her in Spanish when we are all at the dinner table. And when she asks him a question about us, he says, "I don't know, ask them." She's not taking the hint.
My husband says she adores me but I feel like she's always talking shit about me. She's always asking why I do things a certain way, why I use so much oil when I'm deep frying, why I drink so much water, why I let pans soak, etc., etc., etc. She thinks everything I do is strange and I always feel criticised.
She is very sweet with my biological children, hugs them, talks to them, etc. She doesn't interact much with my youngest step daughter. I find this bizarre. I'm really glad she likes my children so much and I know that my step daughter is a very different, a-typical kid. She's not warm or sweet in any way and maybe that's all it is. She feels a deeper connection to my kids. but it seems like she doesn't even try with my step daughter, her biological grand daughter.
And even though she seems to prefer my kids over my step daughter, she doesn't interact much with any of the kids, period. She basically stays in her room, by herself, all the time. On the rare occasion that we ask her to babysit, she won't come out of her room. We come home to the kids being hungry and the house being destroyed {They are tweens so it's not a matter of safety like with little kids but still}. If she were an actual babysitter, I would have fired her. If she were a cleaning lady, I would have fired her. If she were my own mom, I would have moved her out already.
My husband and I have fought about this for too long and there have honestly been times that I've thought about moving out. I don't want a divorce but I don't want to live with her any more.
Two weeks ago, I started counseling. I have my own issues to work on but I'm also drowning in resentment towards my husband and mother in law (and step kid issues, too). So I'm hopeful.
There ARE a few Brightside so I'll end with that: She now works full time and she is well on her way to being able to buy a car which will help her get an even better job. So now I do feel like she is at least on her way to moving out and should be able to move out within a year or two.
Okay, I'm done venting.
There is no way you should have to put up with any of that.
There is no way you should have to put up with any of that. All of your complaints are valid. DH needs to decide who he wants to make happy - you or his Mom. Given that she is not a good roomate - she needs to move out. Also, now that you have explained how she treats your SD - your SD should not be expected to share a room with her.
I completely agree on the language issue. My DH and his whole family are bilingual - I am not. It bothers me tremendously when they switch to Spanish in front of me. There is no reason to do it when they are comfortable in both languages. I think it is just rude.
As a gentle aside - your MIL sounds like a typical 60 year old as far as her health and physical activity. Wait until you are that age and you will understand.
Yes, I cringed at the "not
Yes, I cringed at the "not your typical 60-year-old", lol. 60 is relatively young, most people are still working and very active, taking care of their homes, traveling, hiking/kayaking, etc. I know it sounds old to someone likely in her 20s or 30s, but it's not.
I bristled too. My DH runs
I bristled too. My DH runs the local mountain bike club, teen section. Hardly decrepit and yet he's 65.
Hell, my mom still beats me
Hell, my mom still beats me at golf and she's 86! Old age doesn't start in the 60s anymore.
It hasn't started at 60 for a
It hasn't started at 60 for a very long time. My grandmother died in the 80s at age 72 (cancer) and she was NOWHERE near old!
It sounds like a culture
It sounds like a culture clash.
Having a MIL live with you is
Having a MIL live with you is difficult. Add in cultural and language differences and it's a recipe for disaster.
My first husband's mom probably spoke about as much English as your MIL. She had learned English as an adult when she moved here. She spoke English fairly well, but was always uncertain when speaking it. At family gatherings they would all resort to speaking her language. Most of the family spoke that language at home. I was the only in law that didn't speak it.
I get your feelings of exclusion. I could endure as it was not every day, but your MIL lives with you so it's so much harder.
I have no solution, but I do have a story. I went to a family baby shower. As always I made sure to sit away from MIL so family could talk to her in the language she was comfortable with, and near family who would speak English to me. At one point MIL addressed the gathering. I didn't pay too much attention and figured, if it were something I needed to know, someone would tell me. No one said anything.
Next day phone rings and it's someone looking for BIL. I tell him where he can find BIL. That night MIL calls DH. She is furious that I told where BIL is as she told everyone at the shower to say they didn't know. DH listened and then asked if she had told me in English. When she said no, he asked how I should have known.
I would have a very short
I would have a very short rope for dealing with all of that. I think it's time to have a fresh talk with your husband.. The bottom line is that it was supposed to be a short term solution.. it is now over two years.. at this point, he needs to tell his mother that she has 60 days to find a new place to live.. that your marital home is not a long term solution for her any longer.. that it was supposed to be for one year..and it is now more than double that.. it is time she finds a new space.
The other post about the girl's sleeping issues highlights that. Ideally, you would move your DD into the larger room as the FT child and let SD take over the smaller bedroom that is currently DD's.. and also have it set up as a guest room maybe. you could put an extra bed in DD's room for sleepovers.. or when you might need the guest room at the same time SD visits.. the girls can bunk together then.
Honestly, it isn't so much about the icing out your MIL does.. the lack of help etc.. she shouldn't be there period..it's not like your home is set up with a MIL suite that is separate from the rest of your house.. she is living WITH you.. and not in a particularly harmonious way.. I mean.. if he was relying on mom for daycare or something.. that's one thing.. but if not.. it's time for her to move on to her own home.
What you have here is "The
What you have here is "The Standard" for their culture.
Many cultures believe it is the duty of the sons to fully support their parents. I know this because I know someone who is also going thru this in a similar manner. MINUS the visa. They are all US citizens.
The excuse of the adult I speak of who parents are expecting "full support of the son" is "its our Culture, OUR Culture this our Culture that"
If you think for 1 second this will change...your in denial. It wont.
Do not be surprised IF MIL is asking for money to be sent to the family from Origin country. who still live there. You may want to look deep into your bank accounts, cash withdraws...things like that.
1. What I would suggest is looking for a translator app on your cell. Then you will hear everything mil is speaking.
Decide if this is reallllly worth it for the rest of YOUR life with dh. Surely you had some red flags you may have decided to ignore.
Lesson learned,,,don't ignore those red flags. Dont beat yourself UP, move on and find a man who doesnt allow his mother to mooch off of HIS marriage to you. This will not change unless YOU leave....sorry,
It's their culture and that is a true statement coming from their lips. They are first, you will always be second.
I agree with the translator
I agree with the translator app- have that thing on hot standby.
I would also tell MIL myself that it is time for her to get her own place. Start printing off apartment or roommate ads, leave them around for her.
I would also have MIL move into the game room and NOT do anything for privacy to give the girls their own spaces. Make things very uncomfortable for her. She will leave.