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What age do you think kids, steps or bios should start helping around the house and what is appropriate

Kathywalker11's picture

Twin stepkids( Just turned 12 this week) recently made a comment how kids are different now in the fact they DON'T do chores like my generation did. Even when offered money to help out they 99% refuse. Then again why would they as DH buys them everything they pretty much ask for so why would they need to work for money. Even getting them to come get their own drink or food we made for them can be a struggle. They will yell from the living room for "daddy" to bring it in to them as they are "tired' from school. Hmm DH WORKED all day but I guess they don't care. Of course DH brings it in for them. When I was their age I was doing laundry, dishes, definitely getting my own food and drinks.

So I'm here asking do your steps or bio kids ever help around the house? What age did they start?Do they get paid and how offen do they need to do things? I don't mean cleaning toilets or heavy work I just mean basic tasks helping vacuuming, putting dishes away, walking the dog  or even doing their own laundry?

Rags's picture

12 is past time that they should be contributing around the house.

Time to do away with beck and call service to kids.  I would even invoke a buffet style dinner a couple of nights per week where everyone serves their own plate and drinks then comes to the table.   They serve as they are instructed taking a selection of everything prepared. And they try it all.

I am appalled by your DH being their beck and call boy.

smh

Hastings's picture

SS9 doesn't do a whole lot. He's expected to take dishes to the sink when he finishes, clean his room when we tell him to, hang up the towel after a shower, clean up any messes he makes, put clean clothes away and bring dirty laundry to the laundry room, etc.

There are some good online lists of age-appropriate chores out there if you do a quick Google search. A lot of it depends on the kid's ability level and trustworthiness, though. Depending on the kids, they may need a lot of instruction or supervision at first. We don't have him take trash out because our municipal trash bins are very big and tall and he doesn't have the height or strength to get the bags up, hold the lid up, and drop them in. And no dog walking. We have a greyhound (those things are super-powerful) and there's no way SS could hold her in place if she saw a squirrel or rabbit running. Someday...

We both feel like he needs to take on some more responsibility. Currently trying to figure out what form(s) that will take.

Anyway, he doesn't get paid. He doesn't even get an allowance, really. It's just one of those "Hey, you live here and in a family, everyone pitches in" things. If you're reasonably consistent and good about doing what's expected, every now and then, you may get to do something special. DH and I both grew up that way.

I think, though, that chores need to come from the bioparent. Sure, we steps can have a say behind the scenes, but your DH needs to be the one to set down the rules.

And I agree. That needs to start with DH not playing servant. It's teaching the kids to be lazy, entitled and disrespectful.

Jcksjj's picture

ODS9 and SD8 pick up their toys, put their own laundry away, and there basic tasks like vacuuming and wiping things down. My 21 month old can pick up his own toys with assistance. I wouldnt be offering them money unless they wanted to do extra with those entitled attitudes. I'd be telling them they live there and need to contribute to helping keep the house decent. DH needs to get on top of that.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Nothing will change until your DH gets tired of being a servant to his kids. 

What YOU can do is make DH responsible for everything skid-related. Skids make a mess? DH cleans it up. Skids want something special for dinner? DH cooks it. Skids track mud in the house? DH cleans it. 

My DH was once a Disney Dad like yours. Because I hated the messes, I foolishly cleaned up after the skids (only the boys; the girls were aged out/never came). And I got tired of doing it. So I stopped doing it and DH had to. Guess what? DH was tired from his very physical job and got tired of cleaning up after able-bodied boys. So he started making them clean up their messes. There was grumbling and it wasn't always the best job, but they did it. Today, the boys are actually better at cleanup than their sisters. 

You may have to grit your teeth and leave messes or close doors, but DO NOTHING. Your DH will eventually tire of it. Hopefully.

advice.only2's picture

The kids are right, why should they do anything when Indentured Servant Daddy will do it all for them.

The conversation you should be having with your DH is why he is still catering to 12 year old like they are 12 week olds?

ESMOD's picture

Where does your DH fall into this?  It sounds like he waits on them hand and foot.  If he is NCP and they aren't in the home for very long, it might not be necessary to assign them a huge chore-load.. but certainly, they should be expected to pitch in with their own care.. that means helping to strip their beds when it comes time to do the sheets.. and learn how to remake them.

They should be making their beds daily.. (good habit)... they should be keeping their bathroom clean.. and perhaps helping to gather trash from their room and bathroom prior to trash day.

They could help set a table.. prepare a salad.. load or unload a dishwasher.

It's not about offering them money either.. they should be required to do some minor level chores as part of being "in the family" and part of the household when they are there.

Now.. for EXTRA big chores.. perhaps their dad could let them earn money to buy something they want.. and in fact.. he probably should learn that the drive to WANT to work for something that he won't just GIVE to them is healthy.  If they have wants that he won't fill.. they may find more motivation.

ndc's picture

Skids are 4 and 7 and they help around the house. It's not all that helpful, but I figure we're teaching them that being a contributing member of the family is important. They'll pick up their toys, clean up their rooms, "help" with laundry, run the vacuum, fetch things I need for the baby, etc. Most of their help is more work for me than doing it myself, but we're playing the long game.

SteppedOut's picture

This.

I have my 3yr old help with laundry, he takes his plate/bowl/silverware to sink/dishwasher, keeps his room picked up. 

It shouldn't be taught as "chores" or a way to earn an allowance...more like "this is how to live". 

IMHO

ESMOD's picture

Yes.. it is a long game.  I'm sure a lot of our early attempts at helping created more work for my parents.  But.. while it may take forever to get a little kid to put their toys up.. and you may have to supervise the whole time and constantly keep them on track.. you are at least teaching them the importance of being self sufficient.  My brother and I were also pulled into helping in the kitchen whether it was learning how to make a salad dressing (I'm sure my folks endured some pretty tart vinagrette)... or learning how to follow a recipe to make popovers.. we may have made mistakes and messes but we did eventually learn some real skills.. now both my brother and I are good cooks and cook for our respective families regularly.  But running a vacuum.. sweeping a floor.. learning how to properly clean a bathroom.. all things they need to figure out if they are to live on their own.

Jcksjj's picture

I think alot of that comes down to lazy parenting (yep, thinking of BM here). Short term its easier to just do things for the kids and giving in to arguments.

tog redux's picture

Everyone I know who is a good parent has their kids do chores. That hasn't changed any. And not for money.  

stepmominhiding's picture

5 years old they can start  with small things line helping fold hand towels (even if you have to refold it after they are done)  just so they get used to helping out.  They can also hold the dust pan as you sweep dust and dirt into it.  They can help sort laundry into lights and darks, towels and clothes (i find less hair attached to my shirts when i sort these out) 

Kathywalker11's picture

better yet DH! Of course I won't as I want a safe place to complain without ANYONE stocking me on here.  Yes I blame both DH and BM for this. DH WILL make a half ass attempt to get SD's to come get their own food or clean up after themselves BUT if they refuse DH gives up. As far as me doing anything for SD's I don't. I refuse to clean up after them and I make ONE meal if they don't want it DH will have to cater them them. Honestly DH does not seem to mind. Its always been like this so maybe DH does not know any difference. They will even sit in the car waiting for DH to open the car door for them! I've mentioned this a number of times and DH's "excuse" is he does not want them banging the car door into another car! How about teaching them how to open a door correctly or what is the excuse when there is NO other car next to ours and he still does it??

ESMOD's picture

I did find that I got the most traction with my DH when I suggested things that were going to be helpful or to spare them issues.

For table manners it was "gosh.. DH.. I would hate for them to be embarassed when they go out to eat or are eating at a friend's house.. they can't turn their nose up and shovel food in their mouths"

For cleaning type chores it was that it would be a good idea if they learn how to take care of themselves and do things for themselves so they don't HAVE to rely on someone else when they are older.

It's really not about saving the adults labor in many cases.. it's giving the kids real life skills so that they can live independently.  

I would approach it like that.  DH.. it's your obligation as a parent to teach them how to take care of themselves.. how to take care of things.  I know you can't do it all at once.. but that's why you need to start with the small things now.  They need to learn how to do things for themselves.. not just rely on one of us.  They need to understand how to get out of a car carefully so as to not ding another car.  

It's as easy as.. when you pull up.. "Girls.. please be very careful when you open the car door so you don't hit the car next to us"... say it every time until you are sure the message is through to them.

Expect them to start the day with a made bed.  Help them.. show them how to do it.  Teach them how to wipe the sink so toothpaste doesn't build up.  

These aren't coal mine chores.. these are life skills you are obligated to pass on to your girls.

susanm's picture

The "kids are different now - we don't do chores like you all did" comment would be the thing that would most set me off.  All kids try to get out of work but that entitled arrogance crap makes my teeth itch, KWIM?  My own skids were as lazy as the day was long.  They were no where to be found when there was work to do and my DH let them get away with it for the most part.  But at least they had the good sense not to rub our noses in it.  

EveryoneLies's picture

Both DD and SS help around the house. For SS12 nothing difficult - take out trash, feed and clean up after the dog, clear the dishwasher, and do his own laundry. DD9 has similar chores, but she also helps both DH and I when we cook (because she likes cooking). We tried to teach SS to hand wash dishes (pots etc..) but because of his condition (ASD +ADHD) it requires too much of our supervision we just kinda give up on that.. DD however learned to clean the dishes just by watching me do it, so sometimes she helps to clean up the small stuff left in the sink (she's so super sweet). She actually does a better job than both DH and SS haha.

I also won't clean up their table after meal for them. It's not like they need to hand wash their dishes, so clean up after themselve by putting stuff into the dishwasher is more than reasonable. They both were able to do this without issue.

Kathywalker11's picture

SD's will SOMETIMES feed the dog but thats more because they want to. I've never seen them put their dishes in the dishwasher. The most I've seen is them bringing their dishes into the kitchen and dumping them in the sink. They don't even put their clothes away. DH hangs up their stuff and puts it away. If they change clothes they leave the dirty clothes laying all over the floor. When they shower its like a war zone. First they each take 20 plus mins just standing in the shower wasting water. Then they not only leave their wet towel laying on the floor but the bathroom floor is completely wet. Not sure if they walk around dripping wet or don't close the shower curtain or both! Again DH goes behind them cleaning up.

 

 

EveryoneLies's picture

Your DH really needs stop picking up after his kids. He should, instead, ASK THEM TO DO IT THEMSELVES each time this kind of thing happens. SS leaves his clothes after shower in the hotel bathroom whenever we travel. Sure it's easy, probably easier, for us to just pick up and give them to him, but we don't. He gets to be called back to clean up after himself because, um, if he himself doensn't enjoy cleaning up after himself, NO ONE ELSE WOULD. My SS is on the spectrum plus ADHD, he can still do it. 

Does your DH feels guilty to ask the skids to do anything?

Rags's picture

Our friends have two sons on the spectrum.  The youngest is Mr. Laundry.  He loves doing laundry.  They bought him a new washer and dryer with glass tops/doors so he could watch them do their thing.  He does all of the laundry for the whole family including folding it and putting it on each person's bed.

They maintain fairly tight structure in their home for their children.

ADHD kids may all have a common diagnosis but each of them manifest that Dx differently.  As is the case with all kids, they thrive in a structured environment with parents who invoke standards of behavior and performance.

Just my thoughts of course.

Stepmof3's picture

Haven't read other comments but my 4 y old emptys the dishwasher, put away her clothes, I even make her collect her crumbs sometimes with the dust pan - so i feel for you, make him realise he is raising two little dependent spoil rotten I think! Have you tried to talk to him? I would not do anything else in protest, I would leave chaos reign your home so he needs to take action I would sit in the living him as ask for my snacks too, and of he doesn't like, well say - how do you think your kids are gonna grow to be hint hint, you are raising kids that if you died tomorrow wouldn't be able to fend for themselves  - 

Kathywalker11's picture

it falls on deaf ears. I have left their mess BUT SO does not care OR acts like he does not care. They can do no wrong in his eyes. Oh and yes I have tried to do the same things SD's do to make a point to SO but it backfired. If I forget a dish ONCE in the living room SO is ALL over me about it saying how I make a HUGE deal if SD's do it but i'm doing the same thing.

EveryoneLies's picture

 Oh wow, why doesn't he go picking up after you? That's a jerk move. Sorry you have to deal with this Sad